Clarke Posted March 17, 2011 Author Posted March 17, 2011 So ICFers finding this sad day for most people a time to have a go at pakiz...? everytime he ran into bowl, he gave all his best, no body doubted his efforts when on the field. People say he will be forgotten soon, I assure you he wont, he left his mark on every single batsman who he bowled to. Lol @ not being forgotten. What is the percentage of matches he's played in the last 3 years ? Giving his best every time :haha: I will never forget him limping off in the first inning of a test match. Talk about leaving your team high and dry. What is worth remembering though are his early years in the game. He played a lot of games, ran in hard and bowled fast and furious. And then, his body started breaking up and you'd see him skip every other game. He was a very good bowler, but not the most committed one.
ganeshran Posted March 17, 2011 Posted March 17, 2011 When on song' date=' of all the bowlers that I have watched in some 26 years, only Ambrose was his equal[/quote'] No Wasim, Waqar, Walsh?
Tapioca Posted March 17, 2011 Posted March 17, 2011 No Wasim' date=' Waqar, Walsh?[/quote'] No. Wasim and Waqar could do that to lower order batsmen, but no one else could have done what Akhtar did to Australia in the Colombo Test in 2002, for instance. You could have told the Waughs and Gilchrist what was coming and they would still have got out the same way. Walsh does not come close.
yoda Posted March 17, 2011 Posted March 17, 2011 Shoaib in tests was an excellent bowler, especially on help wickets. Given that he rarely played the last few years makes his retirement a non-issue. Overall I would say he under achieved by not keeping himself fit, not learning to bowl with discipline and tending to break down just after a few overs. Great bowler nevertheless.
Homerus_Unus Posted March 17, 2011 Posted March 17, 2011 I know he wasted his talent' date=' i know he should have achieved more, he should have stayed out of off field controversies but shoaib akhtar is akhtar for what he did through out his career. everytime he ran into bowl, he gave all his best, no body doubted his efforts when on the field.[/quote'] Saying that he bowled with conviction every time is like saying Sex Panther by Odeon works every time, 60% of the time. Had he actually been on it every time he bowled, he'd have had a lot more success, despite the suspensions due to off-field incidents. People say he will be forgotten soon, I assure you he wont, he left his mark on every single batsman who he bowled to. He won't be forgotten, but IMO, it will be primarily due to the wrong reasons- after the fact that he could bowl really really fast. He will be mostly remembered as a guy who whose career was rarely fulfilled with the talents he possessed.
Clarke Posted March 17, 2011 Author Posted March 17, 2011 No. Wasim and Waqar could do that to lower order batsmen' date=' but no one else could have done what Akhtar did to Australia in the Colombo Test in 2002, for instance. You could have told the Waughs and Gilchrist what was coming and they would still have got out the same way. Walsh does not come close.[/quote'] People somehow ignore Mcgrath because he's not express pace. What about his Lords performance in 2005 for instance ?
ganeshran Posted March 17, 2011 Posted March 17, 2011 No. Wasim and Waqar could do that to lower order batsmen' date=' but no one else could have done what Akhtar did to Australia in the Colombo Test in 2002, for instance. You could have told the Waughs and Gilchrist what was coming and they would still have got out the same way. Walsh does not come close.[/quote'] Dont take one off overs and some test match where he performed well. Wasim and Waqar are still talked about for a reason, they performed consistently for a very long time. Akhtar has shown flashes of brilliance followed by long periods of mediocre performances. He doesnt even come close to any of the other great bowlers of the game. He was an exciting bowler to watch, and thats about it.
Asim Posted March 17, 2011 Posted March 17, 2011 Bhajji will miss him :winky: and he will miss Sachin :winky:
Sachin=GOD Posted March 17, 2011 Posted March 17, 2011 Dont take one off overs and some test match where he performed well. Wasim and Waqar are still talked about for a reason, they performed consistently for a very long time. Akhtar has shown flashes of brilliance followed by long periods of mediocre performances. He doesnt even come close to any of the other great bowlers of the game. He was an exciting bowler to watch, and thats about it. This. Akhtar is in the league of the likes of Shane Bond and Brett Lee (when in top form). Thats it, nothing more than that. For being called a great like Wasim or Waqar you've got to be consistent like them over a long period of time.
Asim Posted March 17, 2011 Posted March 17, 2011 Million dollar question is . when is he going to come out of retirement? He wont because his retirement is totally different than few other Paksitani retirements we recendly had, he was targetting this world cup as last of his last major tournament since 2 or 3 years so he got there and he knows very well its the most appropriate time...
Tapioca Posted March 17, 2011 Posted March 17, 2011 Dont take one off overs and some test match where he performed well. Wasim and Waqar are still talked about for a reason, they performed consistently for a very long time. Akhtar has shown flashes of brilliance followed by long periods of mediocre performances. He doesnt even come close to any of the other great bowlers of the game. He was an exciting bowler to watch, and thats about it. I don't disagree. I was talking only the times when he was on "song" as said in my first post. In short spells, when he was good, he was better than almost anyone else. Clarke - same comment to you too. To put it in a different way, if you a casual watcher of cricket (which I am these days), would you be able to remember quickly more "great" deliveries by McGrath, or by Akhtar. For me, it is definitely the latter. For McG, most memories seem to be linked more with the batsmen than with him (several Tendulkar dismissals, Lara's wkt in the 1999 world cup etc)
Homerus_Unus Posted March 17, 2011 Posted March 17, 2011 if you a casual watcher of cricket (which I am these days)' date=' would you be able to remember quickly more "great" deliveries by McGrath, or by Akhtar. For me, it is definitely the latter. [/quote'] Well, that is an argument from authority, mate. You cannot speak for another casual watcher of the game, if you're a casual watcher of cricket "these days," which means you weren't always a casual watcher. It's the information that any watcher, casual or otherwise, receives or chooses to receive that forms his opinion. I think Marshall, Holding, Akram, Imran, Younis, Ambrose, and McGrath have more "great deliveries" in their careers than Akhtar could manage in his career....and I too am a casual watcher of the game "these days." Now we can sit and argue what a "great delivery" comprises of. For McG, most memories seem to be linked more with the batsmen than with him (several Tendulkar dismissals, Lara's wkt in the 1999 world cup etc) So, would that be an assessment by a casual fan or a life-long fan?
Homerus_Unus Posted March 17, 2011 Posted March 17, 2011 He wont because his retirement is totally different than few other Paksitani retirements we recendly had' date=' he was targetting this world cup as last of his last major tournament since 2 or 3 years so he got there and he knows very well its the most appropriate time...[/quote'] He's done. IMO. He's pretty much "damaged goods."
Raghav_12 Posted March 17, 2011 Posted March 17, 2011 It's only his 1st retirement. lolz.. and may have declared it so that he is not life-banned by PCB after Pakistan out of the world cup...
Karan114 Posted March 17, 2011 Posted March 17, 2011 Akhtar has shown flashes of brilliance followed by long periods of mediocre performances. He doesnt even come close to any of the other great bowlers of the game. He was an exciting bowler to watch' date=' and thats about it.[/quote'] Oh he's certainly no great, nowhere close to it. But that said, I wouldn't say he only managed flashes of brilliance...he did take 178 Test wickets after all, that's a decent number. I guess ultimately he was someone who had a reasonable amount of success but was overall an underachiever due to his lack of fitness, commitment and respect for the game.
King Posted March 17, 2011 Posted March 17, 2011 Akthar barely played enough cricket and perhaps was half retired anyways. Shouldn't affect Pakistan cricket as much. Knowing PCB, they may even bring him back after a month's time. There are far too many retirements and come backs in Pakistan.
Asim Posted March 17, 2011 Posted March 17, 2011 Lara and Shoaib both can never forget this... ubwYae_-m8Q
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