Who says Osama is a terrorist, ask Muslim religious leaders

[ravishingravi]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Who-says-Osama-is-a-terrorist -ask-Muslim-religious-leaders/articleshow/8147921.cms "NEW DELHI: From incredulity to hostility towards the US -- reactions of Indian Muslim organisations changed rapidly as it became clear that the news of Osama bin Laden's death in a CIA operation in Abbottabad in Pakistan was not American propaganda. Muslim religious leaders, cutting across sectarian divisions, questioned the "America-propounded" description of the al-Qaida leader as a terrorist, asking what judicial procedures had been followed to pronounce him as one. There was, however, obvious unease at the fact that he had been found to be living in Pakistan and had been killed in an US operation on Pakistani soil. Syed Ahmed Bukhari, Imam of Jama Masjid, objected to Osama being called a terrorist, "When did any court of law in the world convict Bin Laden of terrorist activities? It is only America's assertion and that of Nato that he was one. Why should we believe them. As for the government of India's reactions, I would want to know their views on what is happening in Palestine even now when thousands of Muslims are being killed by Israel with US help. The killing (of Osama) in a continuation of US interference in Libya, Iraq and Palestine." Maulana Arshad Madani, president of one faction of the Jamiat Ulama-i-Hind, also disagreed that Osama was a terrorist. "I do not believe he indulged in terrorism. The question to be asked is why did US come into Afghanistan in the first place? Who created Osama? Americans did to exterminate the Russians. Now that their need has been fulfilled, they term Osama, who was at one point their best friend, a terrorist. It is symptomatic of the American way of functioning of their constant use and throw policy with countries and people." The Indian Muslim establishment initially reacted with incredulity to the news of Osama's death, citing US operations in Tora Bora as a precedent where claims of his killing had later been proved false. It took statements from home minister P Chidambaram and Pakistani MP Sherry Rehman to convince them of the veracity of these reports, after which prominent Muslim leaders said Osama was a one-time American ally with whom relations had soured because he had lost his utility which was to tackle the Russians in Afghanistan. There was, however, some resentment about the fact that he was in Pakistan. Imam Bukhari said it proved the contention that ISI gave shelter to terrorists. "I am not saying Osama was a terrorist but the fact that outfits like JeM and LeT have bank accounts in the US show that US and ISI jointly sponsor the acts of terrorism in India." Cutting across the Muslim sectarian divide, the reactions remained similar. Asghar Ali Imam Mehdi Salafi, general secretary of the Markaze Jamiat Ahle Hadees Hind – one of the oldest Muslim organisations in the country and believed to have Wahabi roots -- said, "Osama was a puppet of a superpower, in fact the kind of power he wielded and the widespread consequences of his alleged acts could not have been possible if he did not have powerful backers. Now that he has outlived their necessity, they took him out. This is a conspiracy of the enemies of Asia and of Islam to paint Muslims in a bad light." The overwhelming consensus seemed to be that the US would do well to steer clear of internal matters of sovereign states in which it has no business. "It is only America's contention that Osama was a terrorist. There is no reason for us to take their words at face value. As for his having been killed inside Pakistan by American forces, that is something Pakistan should get worried about," said Jamaat Islam-i-Hind president Jalaluddin Umri. " Nooooooooooo (:(((:((

[DomainK]

Not entirely surprising, is it? It's unfortunate, but many consider him a hero and a warrior.

[EnterTheVoid]

Religious leaders are nutjobs in general. I doubt your average Joe would feel the same way as this nutter mullahs.

[Stuge]

WTF !! Traitors !! :hitler: :hitler: :hitler: :hitler::hitler: :hitler::hitler: :hitler::hitler: :hitler: I was right about these nuts .how can they forget 26/11 and other attacks on India .

[ravishingravi]

Hundreds join first Pakistan rally to honour bin Laden QUETTA: Hundreds took to the streets of Pakistan’s city of Quetta on Monday to pay homage to Osama bin Laden, chanting death to America and setting fire to a US flag, witnesses and organisers said. Angry participants belonging to a religious party in Quetta, the capital of southwestern province Baluchistan, were led by federal lawmaker Maulawi Asmatullah. They also torched a US flag before dispersing peacefully. It was the first rally in Pakistan after the United States announced that bin Laden had been killed in an overnight commando mission in Pakistan. Organisers said between 1,000 and 1,200 people attended the rally, but witnesses put the figure closer to 800. “Bin Laden was the hero of the Muslim world and after his martyrdom he has won the title of great mujahed (Muslim fighter),” Asmatullah said.

[Zap_Brannigan]

To be fair, he is right in the sense that there was no trial and it was basically Bush's administration that said he was the mastermind in the same way 26/11 was not planned by ISI. Because neither has been proved in a court of law, due to the cowardice of the accused. But OSama was a terrorist even before 9/11. He was involved in blowing up a couple of US embassies prior to 9/11. So yeah, he was a mass murdering coward irrespective of whether he was the mastermind behind 9/11 or not.

[DomainK]

Hundreds join first Pakistan rally to honour bin Laden QUETTA: Hundreds took to the streets of Pakistan’s city of Quetta on Monday to pay homage to Osama bin Laden, chanting death to America and setting fire to a US flag, witnesses and organisers said. Angry participants belonging to a religious party in Quetta, the capital of southwestern province Baluchistan, were led by federal lawmaker Maulawi Asmatullah. They also torched a US flag before dispersing peacefully. It was the first rally in Pakistan after the United States announced that bin Laden had been killed in an overnight commando mission in Pakistan. Organisers said between 1,000 and 1,200 people attended the rally, but witnesses put the figure closer to 800. “Bin Laden was the hero of the Muslim world and after his martyrdom he has won the title of great mujahed (Muslim fighter),” Asmatullah said.

Just the beginning. There will be more. There is a certain public sympathy for terrorists in Pakistan.

[Zap_Brannigan]

Just the beginning. There will be more. There is a certain public sympathy for terrorists in Pakistan.

Once again,we have to thank the pakis for removing themselves from India. If that had never happened, imagine now that we Indians would have witnessed US soldiers flying into our country, killing the most wanted terrorist in the world without even a simple heads up.

[Desi Cartman]

To be fair, he is right in the sense that there was no trial and it was basically Bush's administration that said he was the mastermind in the same way 26/11 was not planned by ISI. Because neither has been proved in a court of law, due to the cowardice of the accused. But OSama was a terrorist even before 9/11. He was involved in blowing up a couple of US embassies prior to 9/11. So yeah, he was a mass murdering coward irrespective of whether he was the mastermind behind 9/11 or not.

I saw a clipping on tv yesterday where obl was telling that he expected only top few stories to fall not the entire twin towers. He also threatened of MORE attacks in his messages.

[ganeshran]

There will always be nutcases... I remember when Saddam died there was a bandh in few places of kerala and bangalore

[ViruRulez]

There will always be nutcases... I remember when Saddam died there was a bandh in few places of kerala and bangalore

If any bandh occurred than that was wrong but no way can Saddam be compared with a terrorist like Osama bin Laden. Osama was a terrorist while Saddam was not. More importantly, Saddam was an enemy only of US and Pakis etc. but he was one of India's closest and trusted allies who supported us even in Kashmir. We also ran an oil for food program with Iraq during his rule and he openly supported us on all issues. He also hated Pakis because Pakis attacked his army during the Kuwait issue. And I remember seeing in a few documentaries that Indian origin or Indian expatriates in Kuwait were never harmed by Saddam even during the Gulf war. So, equating one of the best allies ever of India who never harmed but instead helped India and with a modern ideology to a terrorist with a radical extremist ideology is not the right thing. As for the thread, the buddha Imam of Jama Masjid seems to be getting some brainfart nowadays and making moronic statements very often. Osama Bin Laden was a terrorist and the dickheads are insane to question that fact.

[ganeshran]

^^ Just because Saddam supported us, doesn't make him any less of a tyrant. The US invasion of iraq was unjustified, but Saddam gassed his own people, used chemical weapons, stifled any political opposition through torture and intimidation.

[ViruRulez]

^^ Just because Saddam supported us' date=' doesn't make him any less of a tyrant. The US invasion of iraq was unjustified, but Saddam gassed his own people, used chemical weapons, stifled any political opposition through torture and intimidation.[/quote'] He was a tyrant and a dictator no doubt but not a terrorist like Laden. Anyways I would be more concerned about Indian national interest. To be fair enough, even we as a nation and our army do many things which maybe somewhat against human rights and ethics etc. but then it is done for national interest. Similarly, Saddam was in our national interest and against US interest. Not supporting Saddam but during his regime Iraq was one of the most powerful economies in the Arab world and Baghdad was almost comparable to Delhi etc. if not better at that time. The per capita income of Iraq in those days was far higher than most of the Asian countries. So, it does imply that he was not that bad a ruler as implied though he was surely a tyrant.

[punjabi_khota]

Why does the tone of these INDIAN muslims sound so similar to the pakis

[Stuge]

Why does the tone of these INDIAN muslims sound so similar to the pakis

There are many Indian Muslims who sympathies such activities .So,I'm not all surprised . I've seen so many of them since my school :|

[ganeshran]

There are many Indian Muslims who sympathies such activities .So,I'm not all surprised . I've seen so many of them since my school :|

I have see none who sympathize with terrorism.

[EnterTheVoid]

The head of the Australian Muslim Community was sprouting some bullshit in the papers today about him being disgusted at the scenes of celebrations over OBL death. What a ****ing tool

[Stuge]

I have see none who sympathize with terrorism.

I have seen a lot in my lifetime since childhood. I had fight with those as well .Unfortunately ,its really hard to make them understand .

[King Tendulkar]

Osama is a hero in Kerala

[Sachin=GOD]

I have see none who sympathize with terrorism.

there are very many in India. I've seen a quite a few in Lko. They feel that these people have been wronged for centuries and they are justified in doing whatever acts of violence they commit.