King Tendulkar Posted May 3, 2011 Posted May 3, 2011 When you see the relentless pursuit USA did against a perepetrator of such crimes against their country. It does make you realise how pathetic we are. OK we seemed to have decided to forget Dawood and let him live like king in Pakistan. We do our token protests against Hafeez, who carries on merrily preaching and organising jihad against us in the land of the pure! But when we do actually capture one of these murdering bastards like Afzal and have him locked up in our prisons with a conviction of death against him, what do we do? Nothing, just nothing, we are to scared to even kill someone we have in our country under capture. We are pathetic and some jokers even say we could conduct ops like USA did against targets in pakistan, what a joke!
The Outsider Posted May 3, 2011 Posted May 3, 2011 There were procedural mistakes made in collecting evidence from what I've read. Someone with a law background's perspective would be appreciated.
King Tendulkar Posted May 3, 2011 Author Posted May 3, 2011 He has been convicted but India does not have guts to carry on senetence. No legal issues just lack of balls
yoda Posted May 3, 2011 Posted May 3, 2011 We can't do much militarily. So we must do everything we can politically and economically and have a singular focus to get these guys out of Pakistan. This essentially means, no diplomatic relations till terrorists are handed over or at a minimum tried and sentenced there.
The Outsider Posted May 3, 2011 Posted May 3, 2011 We can't do much militarily. So we must do everything we can politically and economically and have a singular focus to get these guys out of Pakistan. This essentially means' date=' no diplomatic relations till terrorists are handed over or at a minimum tried and sentenced there.[/quote'] What's any of this got to do with the Afzal Guru case?
King Tendulkar Posted May 3, 2011 Author Posted May 3, 2011 We can't do much militarily. So we must do everything we can politically and economically and have a singular focus to get these guys out of Pakistan. This essentially means' date=' no diplomatic relations till terrorists are handed over or at a minimum tried and sentenced there.[/quote'] But we have one in our jails and what do we do. Nothing, we are pathetic
yoda Posted May 3, 2011 Posted May 3, 2011 ^^^ Sorry, I thought he was one of the guys who is still in Pakistan. :hehe: Well, if he is in custody, I don't care if it takes longer to sentence him.
The Outsider Posted May 3, 2011 Posted May 3, 2011 He has been convicted but India does not have guts to carry on senetence. No legal issues just lack of balls No, man. There has been a lot of hue and cry about the manner in which the evidence was collected and extracted.
Mariyam Posted May 3, 2011 Posted May 3, 2011 No' date=' man. There has been a lot of hue and cry about the manner in which the evidence was collected and extracted.[/quote'] I think the case against this guy is pretty strong and fool proof. All evidence is pretty much in place and the sentencing is just. The execution has been delayed because of his mercy petition. The only legal obstacle that I can think of is that our previous precedents when it came to mercy petitions have been rather lenient. During the early years of the Indian republic, many of those who were awarded the death penalty for heinous crimes applied for mercy petitions and the state commuted their death sentences to life imprisonments. If at all there is any legal hassle, it would be because those who are arguing for Afzal would say that we've had other death sentences revoked so why not this one. But the ultimate decision lies with the President of India. * I am not a criminal lawyer and my knowledge on this is based on forced case studies that I had to read/do in Law school. I could definitely look this up over the next few days and tell you guys more details about the case. Recently, the co-conspirator in the Rajiv Gandhi assassination was also spared under a similar mercy petition. But that is because she was a lady and generally there is more clemency towards female criminals. Personally, I am of the opinion that this guy should be executed. We've done some mistakes ( with past clemencies) and we shouldn't continue those just to be consistent. This guy deserves the death sentence. And to those who try to insinuate that Afzal Guru has a lot of widespread popularity among Indian Muslims, you couldn't be more wrong. His execution wouldn't even be a minor blip on the radar. I am yet to come across any such person who feels strongly against this execution. From any strata of the society.
hari504504 Posted May 3, 2011 Posted May 3, 2011 Why do you even compare us with USA.. it will take another thousand years for us to be USA in any front.. We are a weak-willed democracy where the leaders are more concerned about lining their pockets than justice or patriotism.
King Tendulkar Posted May 3, 2011 Author Posted May 3, 2011 Could have done thread Kasab alive and well, why?
The Outsider Posted May 3, 2011 Posted May 3, 2011 Thanks for the detailed response, Mariyam - I had read about witnesses being coerced in the case when it was in trial. I did a google search on it before posting this and found some links about them - haven't read them in any detail. But one major flaw (at least from a layman's point of view) I see is that he was arrested and tried under POTA, which is no longer applicable. In such a scenario he should have the right to appeal under the prevailing law (again from my layman's perspective). The only thing we disagree on is the death sentence - I don't think the state should have the right to kill anyone, but that's a debate for another thread.
Mariyam Posted May 3, 2011 Posted May 3, 2011 Thanks for the detailed response' date=' Mariyam - I had read about witnesses being coerced in the case when it was in trial.[/quote'] :icflove:
hari504504 Posted May 4, 2011 Posted May 4, 2011 Thanks for the detailed response, Mariyam - I had read about witnesses being coerced in the case when it was in trial. I did a google search on it before posting this and found some links about them - haven't read them in any detail. But one major flaw (at least from a layman's point of view) I see is that he was arrested and tried under POTA, which is no longer applicable. In such a scenario he should have the right to appeal under the prevailing law (again from my layman's perspective). The only thing we disagree on is the death sentence - I don't think the state should have the right to kill anyone, but that's a debate for another thread. True. But a quick liner - as opposed to keeping them alive on the state's expense ? - in a nation with so many poor ?
cricketlover Posted May 4, 2011 Posted May 4, 2011 why is Ajmal Kasab still alive in India? why ist he hanged yet?
King Tendulkar Posted May 5, 2011 Author Posted May 5, 2011 ^ We will have apologisers saying the legal case is not tight enough
saneindian Posted May 5, 2011 Posted May 5, 2011 One reason given for delayin his execution is that hanging him will result in an unprecedented uprising in Kashmir. Can't really understand the logic. Find that hard to believe, just an excuse by the ruling govt as they don't want a backlash from the minority community. IIRC some months ago, there was a report which said the Delhi Govt sat on his petition for 3-4years and that has also caused the delay as the home ministry never received the petition. Maybe the govt wants to preserve him and Kasab so that they could be handed over safely to the hijackers of a plane/building/some minister or his/her relatives.
Stuge Posted May 5, 2011 Posted May 5, 2011 He is alive because of petty politics from our politicians , who are now white ants of this nation .THey only work in the name of vote or vote banks .
asterix Posted May 5, 2011 Posted May 5, 2011 He is alive because of petty politics from our politicians ' date=' who are now white ants of this nation .THey only work in the name of vote or vote banks .[/quote'] You can hope for some action if and only if the near & dear ones or the politicians themselves get affected by any millitant activities..If Afzal Guru and his gang or Kasab and his gang has injured or killed any Politician or any relative(s) of them then things could've moved fast. In case of Kasab, he is the queue. So unless Afzal Guru is hanged and few others, he'll have to wait for his turn. So if Afzal Guru is not hanged/pardoned, nothing can be done about Kasab. Simple.. Mera Bharat Mahaan..
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