saneindian Posted June 30, 2011 Posted June 30, 2011 http://www.indianexpress.com/news/bridgetown-test-wrong-replay-shown-to-give-dhoni-out/810822/ The controversy over poor umpiring in the ongoing Test series between India and the West Indies has taken a new twist as it has now emerged that Mahendra Singh Dhoni was given out off a no ball on the first day of the second match here. In what could erupt into a major controversy, the television replays ordered to check if Fidel Edwards had no-balled didn't show that particular ball, instead some other legitimate delivery was shown to give Dhoni out. Incidentally, Dhoni was given out off a no ball even in the first Test in Jamaica. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wow! ICC needs to put certain checks and balances to ensure these things dont happen again. Quite embarassing when you are paying so much of money to have the technology in place but human error ensures right decision is still not made.
NareshK Posted June 30, 2011 Posted June 30, 2011 Wrong replay shown to give Dhoni out. WTF ? The controversy over poor umpiring in the ongoing Test series between India and the West Indies has taken a new twist as it has now emerged that Mahendra Singh Dhoni was given out off a no ball on the first day of the second match here. In what could erupt into a major controversy, the television replays ordered to check if Fidel Edwards had no-balled didn’t show that particular ball, instead some other legitimate delivery was shown to give Dhoni out. Incidentally, Dhoni was given out off a no ball even in the first Test in Jamaica. The latest case was the final delivery of Edwards’ 15th over, the 59th of the innings, which had Dhoni offering the catch to Shivnarine Chanderpaul at mid-on. As Dhoni headed for the pavillion, umpire Ian Gould asked him to stay put as he wanted a reconfirmation from the third umpire that the delivery was legitimate and Edwards had not overstepped the bowling crease. The replays showed that Edwards’s front foot had stayed within the crease but it was not the same delivery but a previous legitimate ball which was shown in television replays to judge Dhoni out. The real delivery, as umpire Ian Gould had suspected, was indeed a no ball. India, then 167 for 5, collapsed after the fall of Dhoni’s wickets to be all out for 201 in the final session’s play. The Indians have been distrustful of the Decision Review System (DRS), the tracker system in particular, since they believe the person officiating it can make a mistake. In the case of Dhoni’s dismissal, the producer handling the replays for the broadcasters erred by flushing out the replay of some other delivery while the one in question was indeed a no ball from Edwards. It further rubbed salt into the wounds of the Indians who are already fuming at the wrong decision which ruled Suresh Raina (53) out and broke his prospering fifth wicket stand of 117 runs with VVS Laxman (85). Umpire Asad Rauf had sent Raina packing though the deemed catch to forward short leg had come off the batsman’s thighs and not his gloves. A crestfallen Raina stood transfixed at his spot, dropped his bat before slowly trudging back to the pavilion. Raina was later adjudged to have breached the ICC’s code of conduct and docked 25 per cent of his match—fee by Broad. The first Test had earlier stirred a hornet’s nest when Dhoni had publicly chided the umpires as no less than six dismissals were deemed to have gone against his team. Virat Kohli, Suresh Raina, Harbhajan Singh and Dhoni himself were wrongly given out while the West Indies players were reprieved which opened a can of worms. All these decisions related to officiating umpire Daryl Harper. The Indians made little secret of their dislike for Harper who now has added his own fuel to the fire by stepping down from the final assignment of his international career —— the third Test of the present series in Dominica which begins from July 6. LINK Is this going to blow into a major controversy ? The legitimacy of DRS again comes into question.
gaurav92 Posted June 30, 2011 Posted June 30, 2011 If this is true, I think its ridiculous. Its a shame that no one bothered to correct the call and allowed the wrong decision to stay the way it was.
J P K Posted June 30, 2011 Posted June 30, 2011 one article on Cricinfo, says that DRS will be operated by home broadcasters, is the west indies board cheating us ?
Mystique_Myth Posted June 30, 2011 Posted June 30, 2011 one article on Cricinfo, says that DRS will be operated by home broadcasters, is the west indies board cheating us ? chances r there...
ganeshran Posted June 30, 2011 Posted June 30, 2011 Inspite of all the kanspiracy theories about BCCI, it is us who get shafted every time :headshake:
achilles Posted June 30, 2011 Posted June 30, 2011 Someone send this link to Scyld Berry, Ehsan Mani, Malcomn Speed, Michael Vaughan and the other members of the League of Extraordinary Mentalmen.
NareshK Posted June 30, 2011 Posted June 30, 2011 Inspite of all the kanspiracy theories about BCCI' date=' it is us who get shafted every time :headshake:[/quote'] +1. Our players with the slightest amount of dissent seem to get a lot of fines disproportionately compared to players from other teams despite everyone claiming that BCCI calls all the cards in world cricket.
Sachinism Posted June 30, 2011 Posted June 30, 2011 LOL I thought the umpuire was retarded when they showed the replay and a good part of Fidel's foot was well behind the line
don_corleone840 Posted June 30, 2011 Posted June 30, 2011 thats third wrong decision of dhoni in row.
Sidhoni Posted June 30, 2011 Posted June 30, 2011 :WTF: Who is responsible of showing these vidz? Whoever t is-:finger: :finger: :thefinger: :thefinger:
NareshK Posted June 30, 2011 Posted June 30, 2011 The only way this can be avoided is if the replay video continues from the side on angle showing the bowler where he landed and then also shows the batsman playing the actual delivery. That would remove any doubt if the replay is of the same ball.
Indian Pride Posted June 30, 2011 Posted June 30, 2011 If this is true then this amounts to direct cheating by the TV operator. If the TV replays are controlled by the WICB then its direct cheating by them. Watching the match live, it did seem a bit strange that it took an unusually long time to bring up the replay after the umpire referred it. More than enough time for the clip to be swapped. I really hope this is wrong or at worst a genuine mistake, as it would bring the whole idea of home broadcasters controlling all the TV feeds into question. What next? Neutral broadcasters for all tours?
Karan114 Posted June 30, 2011 Posted June 30, 2011 LOL I thought the umpuire was retarded when they showed the replay and a good part of Fidel's foot was well behind the line True, I also thought it was strange (especially as it was Gould, who is a good umpire)...mystery solved :cantstop:
ganeshran Posted June 30, 2011 Posted June 30, 2011 Lets not get into Padosi mode and accuse WICB of a conspiracy. This might simply be a human error
phaedrus Posted June 30, 2011 Posted June 30, 2011 wow, thought it only happened in the IPL! :facepalm:
saneindian Posted June 30, 2011 Author Posted June 30, 2011 True' date=' I also thought it was strange (especially as it was Gould, who is a good umpire)...mystery solved :cantstop:[/quote'] On that Gould decision, is it fair/legal for a field umpire to first call a no ball when a bowler is in his delivery stride and then later ask the TV umpire to have a look? What if MSD had said I played this shot only after your No ball call, now you cannot change that.
rkt.india Posted June 30, 2011 Posted June 30, 2011 On that Gould decision' date=' is it fair/legal for a field umpire to first call a no ball when a bowler is in his delivery stride and then later ask the TV umpire to have a look? What if MSD had said I played this shot only after your No ball call, now you cannot change that.[/quote'] I did not watch the match, but if that happened then that is a valid point that MSD could have raised. How can a batsman be out caught when ball is already called a no ball.
Karan114 Posted June 30, 2011 Posted June 30, 2011 On that Gould decision' date=' is it fair/legal for a field umpire to first call a no ball when a bowler is in his delivery stride and then later ask the TV umpire to have a look? What if MSD had said I played this shot only after your No ball call, now you cannot change that.[/quote'] That's a good point, the batsman can legitimately argue that his choice of shot was motivated by the umpire's call.
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