Sehwag1830 Posted July 1, 2011 Posted July 1, 2011 Runs scored in winning cause since 1 jan 2008 http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=4;opposition=5;opposition=6;opposition=7;opposition=8;orderby=runs;result=1;spanmin1=01+jan+2008;spanval1=span;team=6;template=results;type=batting While Sehwag has a partner in Sachin in runs scored Wickets taken in winning cause since 1 jan 2008 http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=4;opposition=5;opposition=6;opposition=7;opposition=8;orderby=wickets;result=1;spanmin1=01+jan+2008;spanval1=span;team=6;template=results;type=bowling Nobody is close to Harbhajan in wickets table. He will be back soon.Keep faith in him.
Sachin=GOD Posted July 1, 2011 Posted July 1, 2011 So what!! the cricket "experts" at ICF say he's crap, so he must be crap....
bihutoli Posted July 1, 2011 Posted July 1, 2011 Even better than Laxman and Tendulkar? Gambhir? Zaheer?
bihutoli Posted July 1, 2011 Posted July 1, 2011 click on the second link :winky:...first link was to prove his batting abilities :icflove: In matches India won he's done really well. Kudos! In a way he's matched Zaheer in contributions to India's wins. But he really needs to toss that ball up!
jonas10 Posted July 1, 2011 Posted July 1, 2011 Forget it bro...these guys want Rahul Sharma and Ashwin because of IPL matches...their short memory leads them to forget the bare stats...best on economy, best with the bat of bowlers and most wickets.
DomainK Posted July 1, 2011 Posted July 1, 2011 Bhajji gets way too much unfair criticism. How contribution to Indian cricket is always undervalued.
BeautifulGame Posted July 1, 2011 Posted July 1, 2011 Also dont forget his contributions in world cup.He was easily on of the best bowlers in the tournament even though stats didnt show it.Yuvraj have a lot to thank Harbajan for his wickets. Champion bowler:hatsoff:
BERGKAMP Posted July 1, 2011 Posted July 1, 2011 *puts on armoured guard uniform + enters thread". As someone once said.. Statistics are like mini skirts. They give you good ideas, but hide the most important parts Past results do not mean future sucess. Use your eyes, look at the pies that he is bowling currently which even crappy batsmen are gobbling up. His peak was a long time ago, and his journey up to this peak did have some good times I admit but nowadays he is looking a broken bowler. Do you really want to stay on the journey down to where he crashes and burns.. *kthxbai*
achilles Posted July 1, 2011 Posted July 1, 2011 Dude, wth? Don't you know you need to be "Highest IPL wicket-taking Indian" to be Indian's most valuable player? Invaluable service to the country with bat and ball < Highest wicket-taker in IPL over 4 seasons.
CSK Fan Posted July 1, 2011 Posted July 1, 2011 I think this argument is just like the argument which was used to belittle Sachin in the past. a batsmen's job is to make runs. a bowlers job is to take wickets. Winning and losing depends on a myraid of factors including pitches, contribution of other players, etc. For example, even if Mishra takes 5 wickets and others dont take any wicket, the team might still not win. How is that a bad thing for mishra? Ponting has much higher runs in matches won that Sachin so Ponting is better by a mile Similarly in trms of wickets in mathces won, Afridi would be the best bowler in the world. His team hardly wins, but when they do, he takes a bunch of wickets If we accept OP's argument, we must also accept that Ponting>>Sachin and Afridi is one of the best bowelrs in the world Winning and losing = team Average, Strike rate, consitancy of taking wickets = players As for people bringing up IPL, I ddint even watch any games apart from few mumbai games P.S. - Also check the fact that Bhajji has played the most matches and other spinners havent played even half the number of matches he did
The Outsider Posted July 1, 2011 Posted July 1, 2011 Inzamam is a greater matchwinner than Tendulkar, Ponting, and Lara because he averages more in matches won. /thread
Jersey #10 Posted July 1, 2011 Posted July 1, 2011 He was bound to get some harsh criticism because after all he is supposed to be our replacement for Jumbo.
bihutoli Posted July 1, 2011 Posted July 1, 2011 I think this argument is just like the argument which was used to belittle Sachin in the past. a batsmen's job is to make runs. a bowlers job is to take wickets. Winning and losing depends on a myraid of factors including pitches, contribution of other players, etc. For example, even if Mishra takes 5 wickets and others dont take any wicket, the team might still not win. How is that a bad thing for mishra? Ponting has much higher runs in matches won that Sachin so Ponting is better by a mile Similarly in trms of wickets in mathces won, Afridi would be the best bowler in the world. His team hardly wins, but when they do, he takes a bunch of wickets If we accept OP's argument, we must also accept that Ponting>>Sachin and Afridi is one of the best bowelrs in the world Winning and losing = team Average, Strike rate, consitancy of taking wickets = players As for people bringing up IPL, I ddint even watch any games apart from few mumbai games I think the point is not whether he's bowling really well these days, but he still managing to outperform all others barring Zaheer in all matches. So he needs to improve? Definitely yes. But should he be replaced? Despite being the next best bowler after Zak?
jonas10 Posted July 1, 2011 Posted July 1, 2011 *puts on armoured guard uniform + enters thread". As someone once said.. Past results do not mean future sucess. Use your eyes, look at the pies that he is bowling currently which even crappy batsmen are gobbling up. His peak was a long time ago, and his journey up to this peak did have some good times I admit but nowadays he is looking a broken bowler. Do you really want to stay on the journey down to where he crashes and burns.. *kthxbai* Currently even crap batsmen are gobbling up? Look at his economy = i dont recall any significant matches where he had an awful economy and players slogged him widely. If anything batsmen are showing a ton of respect to Bhajji and just trying to play him out rather than attempt something foolish and get bowled.
achilles Posted July 1, 2011 Posted July 1, 2011 Past results do not mean future sucess. Did we drop Sachin in 2006?
The Outsider Posted July 1, 2011 Posted July 1, 2011 Did we drop Sachin in 2006? Yeah, Harbhajan = Tendulkar of bowling. Move over McGrath, Marshall, and Warne.
BERGKAMP Posted July 1, 2011 Posted July 1, 2011 Currently even crap batsmen are gobbling up? Look at his economy = i dont recall any significant matches where he had an awful economy and players slogged him widely. If anything batsmen are showing a ton of respect to Bhajji and just trying to play him out rather than attempt something foolish and get bowled. Then he should try flighting and drifting the ball and adjusting to these new tactics of the batsmen and not just throwing darts to make his economy look good, but he doesn't have the balls to in fear of giving away a few boundaries and getting smacked. Look at the ball that Swann got Sanga out with today, it was a thing of beauty, Dartbhajan can't even dream of doing that. Also I would rather he aim for figures of 30 - 3 - 125 - 4 than 30 - 12 - 85 - 1
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