Bell's Dismissal

[CG]

Don't know whether MSD did the right thing or not. It can't be his own decision. He would have consulted the others as well. And mind you,he isn't this stupid who would have taken this decision at the spur of the moment. He would have been totally aware of the rage that would burn up in the people. It is evident on this forum and other one's as well. Don't know if it was foolish or not, but it was one gutsy one for sure. And as chote has said, if someone else doesn't play in the spirit of the game,it does'n mean that we don't do so. To cite an example, John McEnroe recently said that he does'n enjoy the roger-rafa rivalry as they don't argue in the public or make the matches look like there's some rivalry. But when Rafa was asked the same question, he said that it's his opinion but both he and Roger feel that they have a responisbility towards the youngsters who would tke Tennis up. Just coz McEnroe behaved like a fool on court,does it mean that everyone on this earth should? I still am not trying to say that MSD did the right thing. The jury is out there and it would always be but it was a gutsy and a commendable decision. BTW, did anyone notice that VVS had his bat checked up by the umpire after the appeal from hot spot was turned down? Read somewhere that it was done on Broad's discretion and it was to check whether it had Vaseline applied to it or not.

LAXMAN having his bat checked was a disgrace for such a great player ,they were actuall y saying he is a cheat i think this matter is even greater than the bell incident,indians should have complained to ecb

[vamos_rafa]

LAXMAN having his bat checked was a disgrace for such a great player ' date='they were actuall y saying he is a cheat i think this matter is even greater than the bell incident[b'],indians should have complained to ecb

I am pretty sure that BCCI would step into it. And tab goron ki jalegi dekhna. They would again start saying that BCCI has such a stronghold on things.

[Prudent]

Strauss's team bullied the tourists like Australia of old: Vaseline Vaughan Run out or not. Spirit of cricket or not. Day three was the day England won the series. They proved they are a better team than India and convinced me they will definitely be the No 1 team in the world. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/england/8673968/England-v-India-Andrew-Strausss-team-bullied-the-tourists-like-Australia-of-old-says-Michael-Vaughan.html

[jonas10]

Like Australia of old? Lets not get ahead of ourselves here...Australia/WI of old could bully anyone anywhere. This England team certainly cannot even bully Pakistan in Pakistan.

[pinkfreud]

You know what' date=' I like debating with you, you have convinced me thrice with your posts if I am not wrong, and I haven't been able to do it even once :(([/quote'] Glad to be of help :winky: :icflove:

[Ponka]

Ponka demands that posters like kabir should be educated as to use non-abusive language while posting. It disturbs the entire thread and posters too.

[nitinbwj]

Dhoni has a history of trying to be kiss opp ass, 1-Recently in south africa SAINT graeme smith and southafricans alleged sreesanth has been sledging them and using bad words ,While steyn ,lonwabo tsotsobe use flowers to sledge and south africa team is a bunch of angels ,Dhoni in a press conference blasts his own team mate.Never in CRICKET HISTORY such thing has happened. 2-Capetown test 4th day-india trying to deperately get kallis wicket after bhajjis great spel lto win the match sreesanth has 2 good appeals turned down against kallis and dhoni gives hima dressing down on pitch as he has been over appealing.we draw the match 3-Dhoni calls back bell -we have them at 184-4 at tea but dhoni wanting to keep his god boy image calls bell back after SAINT flower and strauss say that bell has learned playing cricket through a playstation and did not know the basic rules of the game as it was not mentioned in the maual .They add 70 runs and kill indias slim chances. Dhoni will one day be reffered as SIR M.S DHONI well done MSD and play

The problem is he cant BAT to save his life.

[Maundy Gregory]

OK guys' date=' appreciating Dhoni's decision to recall Bell, please reply to some of the question raised here: Disgraceful England Deserve Censure But The ICC Thanks Them BY ACHETTUP Ian Bell is a good batsman. Thats all he is. He is not an umpire. He is not a match referee. He is not the sole authority on the cricket field. At some point yesterday he decided he was all of these things. He assumed that the ball was dead. Him and him alone. His batting partner, Eoin Morgan didn't. The bowler didn't. The fielder who had thrown the ball in didn't. And the umpires didn't. Yet in a supreme display of arrogance, Bell trotted over to his batting partner, who looked most uncomfortable about the whole affair since he had just put his bat in the crease after attempting to warn Bell, and knew something unfortunate was about to occur. Make no mistake, the error was Bell's and Bell's alone, nothing but sheer stupidity. But it gets worse from here. Ignore the indignation from the English, who almost drowned twitter out with calls for Dhoni's head for, well, doing the correct thing. As the umpires asked Dhoni if he wanted to uphold the appeal, they also turned to the English batsmen and asked them to wait on the field until a decision had been made. Bell's arrogance took to the fore again and he marched off, seemingly as oblivious to their request as he seemed to the entire run out fiasco. Note that even at that point the umpires had still not called Tea, it was Bell who took it upon himself to declare the session over. Bell was actually stopped just before he left the ground to his obvious disgust by the fourth umpire, who politely reminded him that the session had not in fact officially ended. For such blatant disregard to an umpire's authority, a player has already been penalized in this test, too bad he isn't English though, because they are praised for this sort of behavior. Already in this test we've seen Graeme Swann kick the stumps in disgust at his own performance, and despite being his second offence in under three months, escape with a reprimand. "Look here you jolly old fellow, we love your witty banter on twitter, but you can't go around kicking the stumps when you feel like it. Just quickly apologize for it and we'll sweep it under the carpet." The most petulant and a serial offender in the English side, much like his father before him, and rewarded with T20 captaincy - this is the same bowler who is the only international cricketer to have conceded 6 sixes in an over in a T20 match - Stuart Broad, took it upon himself to step into his father's shoes and check if VVS Laxman had applied Vaseline to his bat. The English seem to think this sort of behavior is amusing, its a bit like throwing jelly beans on the pitch, its all in good fun when you're not at the receiving end. Insinuate that an Englishman might be a cheat and you'll get the response the Pakistani team received after their counter accusations during the spot fixing brouhaha. Andrew Strauss and Andy Flower chose to approach Dhoni during the Tea interval and ask him to reconsider his appeal. This has been described as "most unorthodox" but the more simple way of describing it is that it was way out of line. You cannot go to the opposition and ask them to play in a manner that suits your players after your very players are solely responsible for an incident because of their stupidity, and especially not after the mob you're leading onto the field has already acted so disgracefully. The trouble is, nobody seems to be telling England that they're behaving terribly. Oh no, quite the opposite. Here's how Haroon Lorgat, CEO of the ICC, described the incident and the conduct of the players. "Absolute credit must go to Team India, the England team and the match officials - Ranjan Madugalle, Asad Rauf and Marais Erasmus as well as the off-field umpires Billy Bowden and Tim Robinson - for the superb way that they all handled a tricky situation. While the initial appeal and umpire decision may have been acceptable to the letter of the law, the decision by India captain M S Dhoni and his team -as well as the Team India coaching staff - to withdraw the appeal shows great maturity. To see players and officials uphold the Great Spirit of cricket, which has underpinned the game for more than a century, is very special. I am indeed grateful for the way that the teams and match officials handled what was clearly a difficult situation and their behaviour reflects well on everyone." I'm not sure what Lorgat is smoking, but he did get a few things right, so it might not be the best stuff out there on the market. The umpires and the Indian Team deserve praise. Don't discount the role of the umpires here, they could have chosen to act as heavy handed as Daryl Hair did at the Oval during Inzimam's protest and taken the incident to a whole different level. Madugalle's lenient reprimand to Swann and his overlooking Broad's distasteful accusation, doesn't deserve credit. And England's conduct definitely does not either. The "Great Spirit of Cricket" shouldn't win any accolades today, it was in fact insulted because it asks players to play fair, within the rules and to respect umpires. But more so because it promotes equality and equal treatment to players, and by all indications from the ICC's statement, equality seems to be used rather judiciously, and certainly selectively.

If we reply with something contrary to your opinion on the incident, do we get banned?:winky:

[Maundy Gregory]

For a country that insists on maintaining gentlemanly conduct and sportsmanship on the field' date=' I have to say its followers and media are the most rowdy, hypocritical, and self-serving lunatics I've ever had the displeasure of coming across. Seems like the players are going the same way too.[/quote'] Come off it, not all Indians are rowdy, hypocritical self-serving lunatics :haha:

[Maundy Gregory]

I agree that England never really played in the "Spirit" and always demanded spirit form others. But it doesn't mean we should follow the same path. We play Cricket honestly and in the right spirit. Its alright if they don't play in the right spirit, we should never let ourselves down with that attitude. "Woh aise hain toh hum bhi waise hi ban jaaye" is not the way to go. I am sure, many of us were pissed of at Dhoni taking that call, but I am happy that he chose to call him back as he did the right thing, and even if I were at his place, I would have done the same thing.

Hang on, Bell was 'run out' and Dhoni appealed, so Bell was dismissed. After a while during tea, Dhoni reconsidered and Bell was reinstated. How is that an example of England not playing in the right spirit? if we're talking about 'spirit', Dhoni initially didn't show it, then decided he would.

[pinkfreud]

Come off it, not all Indians are rowdy, hypocritical self-serving lunatics :haha:

Perhaps, but the ones who are aren't as off their rockers as their English counterparts. Which includes the media and crowd behaviour.

Hang on, Bell was 'run out' and Dhoni appealed, so Bell was dismissed. After a while during tea, Dhoni reconsidered and Bell was reinstated. How is that an example of England not playing in the right spirit? if we're talking about 'spirit', Dhoni initially didn't show it, then decided he would.

That's such a laughable point, I don't think it even warrants a debate. Hint: Bell admitted to being 'naive' and out. Kthnxbai.

[Trichromatic]

Hang on, Bell was 'run out' and Dhoni appealed, so Bell was dismissed. After a while during tea, Dhoni reconsidered and Bell was reinstated. How is that an example of England not playing in the right spirit? if we're talking about 'spirit', Dhoni initially didn't show it, then decided he would.

Absolute rubbish. Did you watch the match? Have you gone out of your mind? Watch the video of that ball. Bell starts running, halfway down the pitch he realizes that he can't return back and starts walking towards pavilion. Morgan was stretching back to his crease to ensure that he doesn't get out and he was asking batsman to return. Bell was smart player here. It's clearly a case where one batsman was running and other was denying him single. Where is spirit here? Since when getting out while attempting a single was against the spirit? Bell was smart and simply said he was naive to avoid the situation. Your captain and coach thought it's worth trying. If anyone was naive then it was Dhoni. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFpSoRlpyMo]‪Ian Bell's run out against India - Dhoni calls him back | India vs England 2nd Test 2011‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]

[TheWall]

From when did Players become Umpires (except Ponting - He's from Mars u know)... Will Bell be fined /banned for this act?

[Maundy Gregory]

Absolute rubbish. Did you watch the match? Have you gone out of your mind? Watch the video of that ball. Bell starts running, halfway down the pitch he realizes that he can't return back and starts walking towards pavilion. Morgan was stretching back to his crease to ensure that he doesn't get out and he was asking batsman to return. Bell was smart player here. It's clearly a case where one batsman was running and other was denying him single. Where is spirit here? Since when getting out while attempting a single was against the spirit? Bell was smart and simply said he was naive to avoid the situation. Your captain and coach thought it's worth trying. If anyone was naive then it was Dhoni.

I watched the game. I didn't reach the same conclusion you did. The previous poster claims Bell was naive (and admits it), but claims it was an example of English players not playing in the right spirit (in fact it is so obvious, it doesn't even warrant debate), yet you claim Bell was trying to be 'smart' (weaselspeak for cheating) and this was an example of him not playing in the right spirit. So, whatever Bell had done or not done, Indians would accuse him of acting against the spirit of the game

[mhr123]

I think it was Strauss who didn't allow G Smith a runner when latter was suffering with cramps.. spirit of the game..

[Maundy Gregory]

From when did Players become Umpires (except Ponting - He's from Mars u know)... Will Bell be fined /banned for this act?

Bell wont be fined or banned (what a ludicrous idea) unless the BCCI try their usual tactic of influencing games and kick up an almighty fuss and threaten to abandon the tour

[Trichromatic]

I watched the game. I didn't reach the same conclusion you did. The previous poster claims Bell was naive (and admits it), but claims it was an example of English players not playing in the right spirit (in fact it is so obvious, it doesn't even warrant debate), yet you claim Bell was trying to be 'smart' (weaselspeak for cheating) and this was an example of him not playing in the right spirit. So, whatever Bell had done or not done, Indians would accuse him of acting against the spirit of the game

What can I do if you couldn't reach the same conclusion? I would like to know how Dhoni's earlier decision was against the spirit as claimed by you?

[asehgal]

Hang on, Bell was 'run out' and Dhoni appealed, so Bell was dismissed. After a while during tea, Dhoni reconsidered and Bell was reinstated. How is that an example of England not playing in the right spirit? if we're talking about 'spirit', Dhoni initially didn't show it, then decided he would.

So, Flower & Strauss going over to the Indian dressing room to ask a favor for their own player is playing in the spirit of the game? Your retard of a bowler has the gall to check Laxman's bat for vaseline and that is playing in the spirit of the game. Atleast, Dhoni had the sense to re-consider his decision. I don't see any apologies from Broad or Vaughn (or is it that we don't have a sense of humour)

[SachDan]

England bullied India like Australia of old: Michael Vaughan Run out or not. Spirit of cricket or not. Day three was the day England won the series. They proved they are a better team than India and convinced me they will definitely be the No 1 team in the world. The way they bullied India was reminiscent of the great Australian team of the past. They bossed them on the field and even managed to convince India that Ian Bell should be given another chance – a brilliant performance in every respect. It is like chalk and cheese out there. England just look a better unit in everything they do. Don’t forget England arrived yesterday thinking the pitch was doing a bit. But they came out with a very aggressive mindset and were looking to score rather than survive. When they discovered the pitch had flattened they were already in the right frame of mind and in the groove. They hit India off their lines and lengths as the likes of Hayden and Langer would have done in the past. It should be 2-0 either today or tomorrow and I don’t know where India go from here. They are a team with only two or three guys in form. In England, I see a team with eight or nine playing well. India look tired of playing cricket and England full of zest. We have had good England teams in the past. I played in sides that did this kind of thing to teams like New Zealand or Sri Lanka (in this country) but this team are doing it against the best in the world. Bell’s innings was a gem. And the best he has played for England. The pure timing of his shots was so impressive. Trent Bridge is a difficult ground to defend but even so I was staggered India never had a third man for him. He scored 50 runs through there and they never plugged the gap. Another sign of scrambled thinking. Everyone was a bit scrambled after tea. The day will always be remembered for the run out of Bell and it certainly ended up affecting India more than England. You could tell the booing by the crowd rattled them. Bell was dozy and he knew it. He saw Praveen Kumar’s reaction on the boundary and thought it had gone for four. He even appeared to give the indication that it had gone for four to Eoin Morgan. But crucially the umpire had said nothing. He did not call four and he did not call tea. When the bails were taken off and Bell turned round to see what was happening he knew he had made a mistake. It was then that he actually played the situation very well. He knew he had messed up but outwardly gave a very cool impression of not really knowing what all the fuss was about. The England players were telling him to come off the field quickly and he did his best to get back to the pavilion. When he was given out Bell would have been blaming everyone but himself. During a Test in India in 2002 I was given out handled the ball. I was equally dozy. But in those situations you put on an act. You try to cause a storm to divert attention. I went back into the dressing room in Bangalore and argued with everyone and said India were out of order appealing for that. After an hour of stewing I knew I had been completely dumb and dozy. But I think Bell acted quite well. If there had been a thousand people in the ground and this a less important game he would have been given out and not reinstated. But because of this series the Indians realised it would have been a mistake not to reinstate him. In terms of this contest and the good of the game it was the right decision to reinstate Bell. It would have got very nasty if he had not been given the opportunity to bat after tea. I can only imagine what must have been going on in the dressing rooms. Andrew Strauss and Andy Flower must have gone to Dhoni and asked if he was willing to overturn the decision. I would have said “no he is outâ€. But once you gauge the reaction of the crowd and everything starts to sink in things change. With 20,000 people in the ground, two Tests to go and the one-dayers, Dhoni and Duncan Fletcher would not have wanted to be blamed for a decision that would have made a lot of people feeling angry towards the Indian side. Dhoni would not have wanted to be tarnished as being the kind of captain who does not play cricket in the spirit of the game. That is the one thing no player wants on his record. It was the right decision but Bell was in the wrong.

[iHammad]

I think it was Strauss who didn't allow G Smith a runner when latter was suffering with cramps.. spirit of the game..

I remember that, during ICC Champions Trophy 2009