I am apoplectic with rage

[veer]

I am just glad it was English who came begging for overturning our decision.. and not other way around.. we got lot of pride to do something like that.. Dhoni will never go to anyone else's dressing room to beg like that .. in million years..

[Brainfade]

You seem to forget that Srikkanth was run out going for the extra run, it was simply routine. What are you supposed to do, give a debutant a 'life'? And what did you expect Botham and Taylor to do, deliberately not score many runs?:headshake:

(1) I don't remember it that way. I remember that he had grounded his bat, stopped running, and was walking toward square as he always did, and inadvertently crossed the line of the crease. The ball was being shuttled back to the bowler via Emburey, who noticed that the batsman was on the wrong side of the crease. He hurled the ball to the 'keeper's end and appealed. Is it my imagination? And no ... we don't go begging for lives; we leave that to Strauss and Flower. EDIT: OK, I didn't remember all the details correctly, but here's a L_I_N_K. The description fits my version of Srikkanth's intent, not yours. (2) I am not sure where that came from. Of course they had to score runs. What Taylor should've done (you know, spirit of the game and all that) is say to GRV "Thanks, friend, but I respect the umpire's decision and am going back." However, the major blame for how this this incident played out is borne squarely by GRV. He put his perceived, imaginary sense of integrity above the team's interest.

[Brainfade]

I am just glad it was English who came begging for overturning our decision.. and not other way around.. we got lot of pride to do something like that.. Dhoni will never go to anyone else's dressing room to beg like that .. in million years..

I would be glad if we - despite recalling Bell - had rubbed their nose in the dirt. We didn't. They won, and I can't get over it :-).

[HyroProto]

First of all let me say f%ck off. Just f%ck the f%ck off! I am apoplectic with rage after yesterday's Bell incident. I have never felt so royally rogered in all my life. I spent the whole evening pacing up the f%ck and down in my house.

jeesus.. i dont think anyone paced up & down all evening even when we lost the world cup final to you guys here in SL... :giggle: its just a freaking game.... you sounds like your best office mate stabbed you in the back & stole your promotion..LOL... chill dude

[Vijay.Sharma]

I think the outpouring of angst has got more to do with the manner of defeat than the Bell incident. I think the Bell incident is just a vent point but the real problem is the defeat. I can tell I felt very happy that Bell walked out to bat after Tea. I felt we did the right thing...maybe I don't share the same values as the younger ones or maybe they will see it my way when they get to their mid-30s? I was horribly pissed at the way we lost the game. And here I was hoping that we can do a Safferesque two day batathon to save the game a few overs after tea. Incidentally we had done a similar thingy in NZ in 2009 but oh well, I forgot we had that little midget with a lion's heart, Gambhir, to do the batathon, then.

[goose]

Believe me my rage has nothing to with the cricket on the pitch and I am still fuming. If we can all agree, English and Indian alike, that England have outplayed and out-manouvered India BOTH on and off the pitch I might just calm down a little.

[Maundy Gregory]

(1) I don't remember it that way. I remember that he had grounded his bat, stopped running, and was walking toward square as he always did, and inadvertently crossed the line of the crease. The ball was being shuttled back to the bowler via Emburey, who noticed that the batsman was on the wrong side of the crease. He hurled the ball to the 'keeper's end and appealed. Is it my imagination? And no ... we don't go begging for lives; we leave that to Strauss and Flower. EDIT: OK, I didn't remember all the details correctly, but here's a L_I_N_K. The description fits my version of Srikkanth's intent, not yours. (2) I am not sure where that came from. Of course they had to score runs. What Taylor should've done (you know, spirit of the game and all that) is say to GRV "Thanks, friend, but I respect the umpire's decision and am going back." However, the major blame for how this this incident played out is borne squarely by GRV. He put his perceived, imaginary sense of integrity above the team's interest.

Oh come on, it's clear that his intent is to go for the extra run, anybody can see that. As for the Taylor incident, are you seriously suggesting that Taylor should have insisted on being given out, even though the appeal was withdrawn? Can you imagine any Indian ever doing that!!!! Then you complained that 'the shameless punks took the lead', so, yes, what are you suggesting? That Taylor (and Botham no doubt) should then have deliberately got out? Again, I ask youi, can you ever imagine an Indian doing that??!!!! :stupid:

[Captain of Bhangra]

I've only read the first post, which is an epic post. I totally agree... My 2 cents: Cricket isn't as black & white as the English fans make out, when they say Bell only added 22 runs. The psychological impact of what happened runs deeper. MSD says it was a unanimous decision. Well, if I was in the India side, I wouldn't disagree with the guy who's just won us the World Cup, and can end my career with a wink. I bet you anything that at least 5 players agreed, but were not happy at all with having to. If you go in at tea after making a major breakthrough, you will feel like **** when it's stolen from you on your return to the field. If I was playing, I would give up there and then, feeling that everything has to be against us. That's why the performance levels dipped from below par, to atrocious from there on, and that's why Bell's reprieve was worth a bit more than a simple 22 runs...

[wobblydoggy]

Believe me my rage has nothing to with the cricket on the pitch and I am still fuming. If we can all agree' date=' English and Indian alike, that England have outplayed and out-manouvered India BOTH on and off the pitch I might just calm down a little.[/quote'] I agree:--D

[Vijay.Sharma]

I've only read the first post, which is an epic post. I totally agree... My 2 cents: Cricket isn't as black & white as the English fans make out, when they say Bell only added 22 runs. The psychological impact of what happened runs deeper. MSD says it was a unanimous decision. Well, if I was in the India side, I wouldn't disagree with the guy who's just won us the World Cup, and can end my career with a wink. I bet you anything that at least 5 players agreed, but were not happy at all with having to. If you go in at tea after making a major breakthrough, you will feel like **** when it's stolen from you on your return to the field. If I was playing, I would give up there and then, feeling that everything has to be against us. That's why the performance levels dipped from below par, to atrocious from there on, and that's why Bell's reprieve was worth a bit more than a simple 22 runs...

I played up to a decent level and I know how much such an incident can hurt the team especially in a 3-day+ game. But then that's when you are tested the most and you discover just how tough you are - whether you can will yourself to keep the intensity going. It's easier said than done but then that's what differentiates a champion team/individual from the others. At the end of the day pressure is an artificial creation of the mind. You can be blissfully oblivious to it or pay so much attention to one incident that screws up the rest of the game for you. Just the way you feel like everything is against us, you also have the choice to feel, right, I think this is a divine (insert whatever else) message sent to confirm that we deserve to win the Test so let's go get 'em buggers.

[jonas10]

Im annoyed that this has overshadowed what an epic beatdown of the Indian team this is, instead of saying you are getting battered you are blaming this incident and Bells extra 20 runs for the reason you are getting played off the park. England are just better.

Epic beatdown? You guys havent won a series against india in india in close to 30 years. Now youre bragging that you beat the #1 ranked team in the world which is half injured lol Still a few more matches to go plus the ODIs.

[Serani]

Its India's greed for money that is the reason that your team is "half injured" you muppet. Dont worry the boys will all be fit for the IPL though :giggle:

[Maundy Gregory]

Epic beatdown? You guys havent won a series against india in india in close to 30 years. Now youre bragging that you beat the #1 ranked team in the world which is half injured lol Still a few more matches to go plus the ODIs.

The problem for India is that matches between the two sides in India over the past 30 years aren't taken into consideration here, neither is the fact that India won the ODI World Cup. This is a Test series and the winner will be the one who wins the most matches or it may be a draw if the two teams win the same amount, India do not get any extra points for having won at home 30 years ago. Currently England are 2 zip up and whilst I may not be a mathematical genius, I can't see how India can win from here.:questionmark:

[Maundy Gregory]

Its India's greed for money that is the reason that your team is "half injured" you muppet. Dont worry the boys will all be fit for the IPL though :giggle:

Ain't that the truth :potstir:

[jonas10]

Its India's greed for money that is the reason that your team is "half injured" you muppet. Dont worry the boys will all be fit for the IPL though :giggle:

Greed for money? Oh you mean the same Brits businesses, celebs etc that are falling down all over themselves trying to get into India with an India business plan? Every British (our south african whatever they claim they are) player would be devastated if they were black listed for the IPL ala pakistan. England as usual are just jealous they have never been the top sports team in any of the sports they claim the be the founders of. Not cricket, not football hell not even fox hunting :hysterical: Before England runs around with the long cherished #1 title first beat India in India they way India has beaten England in England.

[Maundy Gregory]

Greed for money? Oh you mean the same Brits businesses, celebs etc that are falling down all over themselves trying to get into India with an India business plan? Every British (our south african whatever they claim they are) player would be devastated if they were black listed for the IPL ala pakistan. England as usual are just jealous they have never been the top sports team in any of the sports they claim the be the founders of. Not cricket, not football hell not even fox hunting :hysterical: Before England runs around with the long cherished #1 title first beat India in India they way India has beaten England in England.

Actually, England has been no.1 in both soccer and cricket before, I'm not so sure about fox hunting; you'll have to point me to the ranking tables for that. :winky: But as for the cricket #1 ranking, it is all about results over a period of time in various locations; it's not dependent on England defeating India in India. If that were the case, India would never have gotten to #1 as they never beat the previous incumbents, Australia, in Australia :hysterical:

[Brainfade]

As for the Taylor incident, are you seriously suggesting that Taylor should have insisted on being given out, even though the appeal was withdrawn? Can you imagine any Indian ever doing that!!!!

No, I said it would have been nice. As I have clarified twice, I place the blame squarely on GRV's warped sense of gentlemanliness for that incident. You may want to try and read again. As for "would an Indian do that?" Well, at least twice "Indians" have acquiesced to your begging. So, yes.

Then you complained that 'the shameless punks took the lead', so, yes, what are you suggesting? That Taylor (and Botham no doubt) should then have deliberately got out?

Read slowly: Not suggesting that they are shameless punks *because* they took the lead. More like shameless punks in general who happened to take the lead that day. Just general disdain for the Brits, that's all.

[Maundy Gregory]

No, I said it would have been nice. As I have clarified twice, I place the blame squarely on GRV's warped sense of gentlemanliness for that incident. You may want to try and read again. Read slowly: Not suggesting that they are shameless punks *because* they took the lead. More like shameless punks in general who happened to take the lead that day. Just general disdain for the Brits, that's all.

Oh don't worry, I understood your disdain for anything British from the outset, I just wanted to expose your faux reason and get you admit the real one. :two_thumbs_up:

[Brainfade]

Oh don't worry, I understood your disdain for anything British from the outset, I just wanted to expose your faux reason and get you admit the real one. :two_thumbs_up:

Ah, you begged and you got! Apt.

[Maundy Gregory]

Ah' date=' you begged and you got! Apt.[/quote'] Not at all. It was really quite simple :winky: