Ultimate_Game Posted August 14, 2011 Posted August 14, 2011 Maybe I am missing something but how can we lose something which we haven't even played yet :hmmmm2:
Pak_Fan_4_Eva Posted August 14, 2011 Posted August 14, 2011 Pakistan Won 1 Lost 14 :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical: And how many of them did we play in our own backyard? tsk tsk tsk:giggle: *inb4 I pull out Indian losses overseas*
wobblydoggy Posted August 14, 2011 Posted August 14, 2011 what if all the players ,who are misfiring right now are back in the form ? Australia will run for cover then . I would not bet on it. My money is on the Aussi's after this performance
Trichromatic Posted August 14, 2011 Posted August 14, 2011 And how many of them did we play in our own backyard? tsk tsk tsk:giggle: *inb4 I pull out Indian losses overseas* You're saying as if Pakistani team destroyed Australia in Australia and India just won few matches in their own backyard during those years. :cantstop:
jaggadaku Posted August 14, 2011 Posted August 14, 2011 And how many of them did we play in our own backyard? tsk tsk tsk:giggle: *inb4 I pull out Indian losses overseas* in 1999 they thrashed us 0-3 2004 it was 1-1 and in the last tour the scoreline was 1-2, it could have been 2-1 if we weren't screwed by certain umpire. This is when Australia used to be a powerhouse. Unlike England who only managed to beat them when their big players retired
ravsdh Posted August 14, 2011 Posted August 14, 2011 Have India lost the Australia series already? India have problems in every department, and it doesn't look like they'll be able to fix them in time for their year-end tour Ian Chappell August 14, 2011 India's performance against England has been abysmal but things could get worse before they get better. This disastrous tour has been a while in the making. The selectors' failure to address issues like an ageing batting line-up, a declining offspinner, and substandard fielding in the five-day game, has finally come home to roost. The shrewdness of MS Dhoni's captaincy, the potency of Virender Sehwag's strokeplay, and the bowling of Zaheer Khan have all done a better job than spackle in covering up the Indian cracks. But like firemen on their sliding pole, the descent for India will be much quicker than their steady climb up the rankings was. In all likelihood, India will be ranked No. 3 by the time they tour Australia. Following three heavy losses to England in the last Ashes series, Australia, it was assumed, would be easy pickings for India. I wouldn't be so sure. With all Australia's problems - and there are many, with two reviews into poor performance running concurrently - they do have fast-bowling potential. If they get the bulk of their young fast bowlers fit for selection, Australia should field a decent pace attack. If they do, the Indian selectors, who have been negligent in their duty, could face their worst nightmare. The selectors have been reluctant to show faith in some talented young Indian batsmen. Now they have to choose a team for Australia where there are serious questions about the ability of some to play short-pitched bowling. Further muddying the pool, India's better batsmen are now a liability in the field. Most Australian pace bowlers grow up certain of one thing: they know how to bang the ball in short. Whether they do it wisely is another question, but judging by the performance of Suresh Raina, Abhinav Mukund and Yuvraj Singh in England, quantity will suffice if quality is in short supply. The Indian selectors also have the added concern of the bowlers. In addition to batting and fielding weaknesses, the bowling attack is in tatters. The Australians can struggle against good spin bowling. There have already been glimpses of this in Sri Lanka, although the Test batsmen are better equipped than those whose demise in the Twenty20 series was abject. In the days when India didn't have much pace bowling they were still able to hold their heads high in Australia thanks to quality spinners. In 1967-68 and then 1977-78 India made Australia fight hard for every advantage through the skill of spinners like Erapalli Prasanna, Bhagwath Chandrasekhar and Bishan Bedi. Those times are a distant memory. Harbhajan Singh has for long been a better defensive bowler than an attacking weapon. And while Amit Mishra is a steady legspinner who has some value in Australia, he needs the faster bowlers taking early wickets to be effective. If India can get Zaheer fit and Ishant Sharma back to the form he displayed on his last tour of Australia, then with Mishra and another good spinner they could have their best balanced attack. The selectors have to decide whether Harbhajan is worth the gamble, and if they do, hope Dhoni can cajole or berate his offspinner into a return to his more attacking ways. The biggest issue facing the Indian selectors is finding a batting line-up that can score enough runs in Australia to give the bowlers a chance. Of the experienced batsmen Sehwag is the best equipped to mount a counterattack that will set the Australians back on their heels. However, it's too much to expect Sehwag to play a lone hand, so Sachin Tendulkar may be forced to play a more proactive role in this ploy. Of the younger batsmen Rohit Sharma is the most talented, and he also copes best with the short-pitched delivery. He should have been in the Test side a while back. It would be asking a lot of him to take on an aggressor's role in his first Test series and in a hostile environment. Then comes the job of drastically improving the fielding. It's crucial to catch well and field athletically on the big grounds in Australia. With ageing batsmen and poor fielding bowlers, this will be a difficult selection puzzle. The selectors have failed to confront the tough issues and now face a damned-if-you-do-and-damned-if-you-don't situation. If India slide quickly down the rankings, weaknesses off and on the field will have played their part.
Bumper Posted August 14, 2011 Posted August 14, 2011 And how many of them did we play in our own backyard? tsk tsk tsk:giggle: *inb4 I pull out Indian losses overseas* Fool, you should be more ashamed you don't have a home (to play cricket), than the poor record against Australia. tsk tsk tsk:giggle: That said, the preequisite for shame is some kinda pride, which you guys haven't heard of in a while :hysterical:
Utalk Posted August 14, 2011 Posted August 14, 2011 I expect it to be a close series dominated by the bat. On true hard Aus wickets bowlers will struggle and that will ensure couple of draws at least.
Era of Gold Posted August 15, 2011 Posted August 15, 2011 I hope india murder australia. Not a huge fan of either but i absolutely loathe how australians behaved during their supremacy.
Karan114 Posted August 15, 2011 Posted August 15, 2011 I expect it to be a close series dominated by the bat. On true hard Aus wickets bowlers will struggle and that will ensure couple of draws at least. If Johnson is in form, I can see him ripping through the Indian batting no matter how true the wickets are (as they usually are in Australia these days).
Rahul Dravid Posted August 15, 2011 Posted August 15, 2011 If Johnson is in form' date= I can see him ripping through the Indian batting no matter how true the wickets are (as they usually are in Australia these days). thats the key. he is sorta like the aussie Sreesanth... when he is not in form he can be milked around the park. ofcourse im not saying Sree is as gud as Johnson.. but when it comes to inconsistency then yes.. they are similar.
Sachinism Posted August 15, 2011 Posted August 15, 2011 Have a look at the head to head between India and Oz for the last 15 years and then compare that with SA/Eng' date=' you will begin to understand what people are talking about.[/quote'] That won't prove much, you'd have to have seen the matches to see how much we troubled them
Karan114 Posted August 15, 2011 Posted August 15, 2011 thats the key. he is sorta like the aussie Sreesanth... when he is not in form he can be milked around the park. ofcourse im not saying Sree is as gud as Johnson.. but when it comes to inconsistency then yes.. they are similar. Yes, Johnson is very inconsistent. The series will hinge on his performance. If the bad Johnson turns up, we should be able to score a few runs, but if the dangerous one turns up, our batting could well crumble like it has in this series. As regards the comparison with Sree, it does hold to an extent, but as you say, Sreesanth is not as good as Johnson. Even with his inconsistencies, Johnson has 181 wickets at 29 - India would love to have a bowler with that sort of record. Sree has 84 wickets at 37 - in countries with better fast bowling than India's, he would be a nobody, but because we don't have a single class pacer other than Zak, we have to keep turning back to him.
Rahul Dravid Posted August 15, 2011 Posted August 15, 2011 Yes, Johnson is very inconsistent. The series will hinge on his performance. If the bad Johnson turns up, we should be able to score a few runs, but if the dangerous one turns up, our batting could well crumble like it has in this series. As regards the comparison with Sree, it does hold to an extent, but as you say, Sreesanth is not as good as Johnson. Even with his inconsistencies, Johnson has 181 wickets at 29 - India would love to have a bowler with that sort of record. Sree has 84 wickets at 37 - in countries with better fast bowling than India's, he would be a nobody, but because we don't have a single class pacer other than Zak, we have to keep turning back to him. at the same time... Sree has had to bowl in more Flat pitches than Johnson i suppose.. so that surely makes the averages of sub-continent bowlers to be more than that of bowlers from Aus, SA, Eng ..... but ya not much of a comparison. In Form Johnson > In Form Sree
Guest Gunner Posted August 15, 2011 Posted August 15, 2011 I hope india murder australia. Not a huge fan of either but i absolutely loathe how australians behaved during their supremacy. Which nationality?
Rahul Dravid Posted August 15, 2011 Posted August 15, 2011 Which nationality? can bet a 100% he aint a Paki.
bhanu Posted August 15, 2011 Posted August 15, 2011 All top batsman dat fail in dis aussies series shud retire including my fav ponting :((
Rightarmfast Posted August 15, 2011 Posted August 15, 2011 I do not think Aus tour can be half as bad as this Eng tour. Something tells me that the Indians are going to take tests series a trifle seriously than what they did now.
Ultimate_Game Posted August 15, 2011 Posted August 15, 2011 Aus tour will be the litmus test of Indian test team. This Eng series it's tough to pass a judgement on them coz they simply didn't show up. Aussie series will provide a better picture. If India lose that series comprehensively then they surely are declining, but if they manage to beat Aussies in Aus I would be willing to given them a mulligan for the Eng series.
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