abu nechim looks good

[rkt.india]

Nobody ever considers that perhaps the Indians are not physically trained enough to sustain high speeds. They always want to have this romantic view that management is holding these speedsters down.

Yes, you are right, but training can be done. There is not secret to it. fast bowlers need lot of training to bowl fast. But I can tell you , Yadav himself said this in an interview during IPL that he is asked to bowl fast by Daredevils management and he is doing this. I Have seen Aaron bowling 140+ consistently in a One day game in Devdhar trophy.

[bulbul]

Have you personally watched the matches you are talking about, do you know the conditions , the pitches he was bowling on???? Answer is NO. My Point is when a guy is doing well here , who has bit of pace in him, it;'s people like you who come and warrant the selection of VK's PK's & Munaf and that makes my blood BOIL. So keep this thought to yourself, if he has done well he should be given a chance, it's that simple . FYI he is the top wicket taker in the tournament till now.

[msb1991]

You seem to have forgotten all the series where he has failed after giving opportunities. England should be a bowlers paradise' date=' he failed there !!! Ishant / Zaheer bowled well in England, for that matter even PK bowled well in patches. But VK & Munaf were utterly rubbish.[/quote'] Ishant bowled well? What series were you watching? Nechim has done well in T20 so he should be given a chance in ODIs. I do not buy that logic. The formats are totally different. The conditions should not matter. If you put a genuine quick in front of Indian domestic batsmen for 10 matches, they would absolutely destroy if they were any good. I do not deny that he is good. But if he is good, he will have no problem doing well over the next season. VK was poor but PK and Munaf have served India well. They have served India far better than Yadav did when he was given his chance.

[Crookbond]

Agree. Seems we are getting deluded in the hope of finding an express bowler. Only Varun and Aaron are right arm fast. It remains to be seen if they what it takes to get wickets at international level. Abu Nechim is ordinary in pace and talent IMO. His record in domestic is modest.

Aren't both the same bowler? :hmmmm:

[msb1991]

Yes' date=' you are right, but training can be done. There is not secret to it. fast bowlers need lot of training to bowl fast. But I can tell you , Yadav himself said this in an interview during IPL that he is asked to bowl fast by Daredevils management and he is doing this. I Have seen Aaron bowling 140+ consistently in a One day game in Devdhar trophy.[/quote'] Aaron can bowl fast in an OD game, but can he bowl fast in a 4 day game? It is quite a step up. Moreover, when I talk about sustaining high speeds, I mean over a few years. Fatigue can have quite the effect.

[nsareen]

you want a bowler who can take wickets only in conditions suits to him....if he didnt got wickets in Batsmen friendly wickets its fine :hysterical:

Dude, why don;t you put your head in a box filled with ICE, some sense will prevail. I feel stupid explaining to people like you , why Nechim should be given a Go. There is something in this world called as LEARNING. In short Nechim is LEARNING if he is bowling well, on pitches suiting him or not, doesn't matter, you still gotta take wickets. If you have that in you, it;s good for the team, it's simple. Now about Nechim;s record, well i never saw a genuine pacer coming from India who has an exceptional Domestic Record.

[msb1991]

Now about Nechim;s record' date=' [b']well i never saw a genuine pacer coming from India who has an exceptional Domestic Record.

What genuine pacers are you talking about?

[rkt.india]

Aaron can bowl fast in an OD game' date=' but can he bowl fast in a 4 day game? It is quite a step up. Moreover, when I talk about sustaining high speeds, I mean over a few years. Fatigue can have quite the effect.[/quote'] yes you right, but no bowler except a few bowl consistently quick in every spell. They slow down to conserve. All bowl quick in patches and then it depends on their fitness and stamina as well. Even England bowlers did not bowl quick whole day but when mattered they were quick and pressurized Indian batting with pace and accuracy. No bowler can sustain 90 mph whole day, 20-25 overs a day, but a bowler need to have pace so that whenever need arises he can press the paddle. A bowler needs to know when to go flat out and when to conserve a long day of test cricket.

[VRV Singh]

Calling speed gun fanatics, please note that these ones clocked Rusty Theron at 141kph. In any case, just watch the bowling rather than hyperventilating about phasht, for god's sake

[nsareen]

What genuine pacers are you talking about?

Well the pacers who could bowl upto 90mph IMO. Srinath, Zaheer and Nehra all could do it in their prime. But none had an exception domestic record to show, they din;t make domestic batsman piss in their pants. It's only when they played more, they got groomed and developed skills. Zaheer agrees himself, he was a different bowler until he went to County Cricket in England. Well i have my reasons , you guys have your;s lets keep it this way.

[bulbul]

Dude' date= why don;t you put your head in a box filled with ICE, some sense will prevail. I feel stupid explaining to people like you , why Nechim should be given a Go. There is something in this world called as LEARNING. In short Nechim is LEARNING if he is bowling well, on pitches suiting him or not, doesn't matter, you still gotta take wickets. If you have that in you, it;s good for the team, it's simple. Now about Nechim;s record, well i never saw a genuine pacer coming from India who has an exceptional Domestic Record.

lol why should Only Nechim learn...let Umesh.Aron etc also should learn before this nechim... also VInay also need more time to learn...he may be slow leraner who knows...we cant descriminate just because he have a General surname in Kumar......

[nsareen]

Calling speed gun fanatics, please note that these ones clocked Rusty Theron at 141kph. In any case, just watch the bowling rather than hyperventilating about phasht, for god's sake

Ok Dude, we watched the bowling and say what " nechim took 3 wickets in 3 overs, well done. Hey can he bowl at decent pace, absolutely, Does he have variations , absolutely, then why don't we try him out, absolutely" this would be an extract of a conversation between selectors, if those selectors were not Indian. That's the Irony.

[rkt.india]

Calling speed gun fanatics, please note that these ones clocked Rusty Theron at 141kph. In any case, just watch the bowling rather than hyperventilating about phasht, for god's sake

But Theron can bowl 140, what are you on about yaar. Theron is fast medium. This is not the first time he clocked 141. His effort deliveries can clock 140s.

[msb1991]

Well the pacers who could bowl upto 90mph IMO. Srinath' date=' Zaheer and Nehra all could do it in their prime. But none had an exception domestic record to show, they din;t make domestic batsman piss in their pants.[/quote'] Srinath was good for all the domestic sides he played for in FC and OD cricket. http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Players/1/1996/f_Bowling_by_Team.html http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Players/1/1996/a_Bowling_by_Team.html Zaheer's breakthrough FC season was 2001/2 and he took 40 wickets at 19.55. Nehra's breakthrough was 2000/1 and he took 54 wickets at 17.54. Looking more relevantly at OD cricket. For Delhi, Nehra has 36 wickets at 26.88 and 10 for North Zone at 35.70. Zaheer only played prolonged OD cricket for Worcestershire but again, he did well with 28 wickets at 16.07.

[msb1991]

Ok Dude' date=' we watched the bowling and say what [b']" nechim took 3 wickets in 3 overs, well done. Hey can he bowl at decent pace, absolutely, Does he have variations , absolutely, then why don't we try him out, absolutely" this would be an extract of a conversation between selectors, if those selectors were not Indian. That's the Irony.

England have never picked a bowler based on a handful of T20 matches and nothing else.

[bulbul]

Ok Dude' date=' we watched the bowling and say what [b']" nechim took 3 wickets in 3 overs, well done. Hey can he bowl at decent pace, absolutely, Does he have variations , absolutely, then why don't we try him out, absolutely" this would be an extract of a conversation between selectors, if those selectors were not Indian. That's the Irony.

may be Selectors watched this match also...who knows

Ahmed to Agarwal, 2 wides, slanted wide down the leg side off a length with a whippy action, they get across as the keeper does not collect cleanly 0.1 Ahmed to Gayle, no run, nicely bowled, zipping across the left-hander who is a bit tentative and has a poke at it from the crease 0.2 Ahmed to Gayle, FOUR, no luck for the bowler, produces the outside edge as Gayle is pegged on the crease and pushes at one leaving him outside off, ball flies past slip 0.3 Ahmed to Gayle, FOUR, right through Sachin at mid off, Gayle had made room outside leg and thwacked a fuller one, it flew on the bounce to Sachin and went through him 0.4 Ahmed to Gayle, 5 wides, more runs for Bangalore, this is not a good start for Mumbai, banged in really short and flies over the keeper, he had no chance 0.4 Ahmed to Gayle, SIX, carnage, Nechim is leaking runs, Gayle takes a step outside leg, gets under a full ball and hammers it over the sightscreen 0.5 Ahmed to Gayle, 2 runs, it's all happening, Gayle was eyeing the deep midwicket boundary, but did not get the connection with enough meat to take it over the boundary, in fact it was almost a catch as Pollard came running to his right, the ball bounced close to his toes, he overran it, the ball almost trickled over the ropes before he dived to stop it from rolling over 0.6 Ahmed to Gayle, FOUR, another one, Mumbai, take cover, Gayle again makes room outside leg, this is again in his slot, full and close enough to be bashed over mid on with that monstrous swing, that is the most expensive opening over in the IPL End of over 1 (27 runs) Royal Challengers Bangalore 27/0 (RR: 27.00)

http://www.espncricinfo.com/indian-premier-league-2011/engine/match/501270.html?innings=1;view=commentary

[nsareen]

Srinath was good for all the domestic sides he played for in FC and OD cricket. http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Players/1/1996/f_Bowling_by_Team.html http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Players/1/1996/a_Bowling_by_Team.html Zaheer's breakthrough FC season was 2001/2 and he took 40 wickets at 19.55. Nehra's breakthrough was 2000/1 and he took 54 wickets at 17.54. Looking more relevantly at OD cricket. For Delhi, Nehra has 36 wickets at 26.88 and 10 for North Zone at 35.70. Zaheer only played prolonged OD cricket for Worcestershire but again, he did well with 28 wickets at 16.07.

:nice: good job, well done!!! nice stats. well these stats were still not better than what vin ay's and PK's have. Moreover the upcoming fast bowlers are all from Plate division, not the Super League, there is a huge difference on the surfaces these people play on. So frankly i would not buy this.

[rkt.india]

may be Selectors watched this match also...who knows http://www.espncricinfo.com/indian-premier-league-2011/engine/match/501270.html?innings=1;view=commentary

Gayle can smash any bowler. He smashed Brett Lee all over the park in T20 WC in England for more than 20 runs as well. Gayle is a freak one of its kind like Sehwag.

[nsareen]

may be Selectors watched this match also...who knows /QUOTE] Oh did the selectors fail to notice this. Munaf to Sarwan : FOUR Munaf to Sarwan : FOUR Munaf to Sarwan : FOUR Munaf to Sarwan : FOUR Munaf to Sarwan : FOUR Munaf to Sarwan : FOUR good going munaf, you are a rockstar, achieving big!!!! and we have so many wonderful followers here, for such a talent.

[rkt.india]

Srinath was good for all the domestic sides he played for in FC and OD cricket. http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Players/1/1996/f_Bowling_by_Team.html http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Players/1/1996/a_Bowling_by_Team.html Zaheer's breakthrough FC season was 2001/2 and he took 40 wickets at 19.55. Nehra's breakthrough was 2000/1 and he took 54 wickets at 17.54. Looking more relevantly at OD cricket. For Delhi, Nehra has 36 wickets at 26.88 and 10 for North Zone at 35.70. Zaheer only played prolonged OD cricket for Worcestershire but again, he did well with 28 wickets at 16.07.

Yaar if you only want to go with stats than Jogi has an average of 20 and SR of 40, VK has an average of 24 and there are many more like these in domestic cricket. Cummins does not have any record still being picked by Australia.