Karan114 Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 Why is it no big deal when India dominate a first string England squad in India but England run around world beaters when they beat a depleted side in their country? Are you seriously equating a Test series slaughtering in which we were humiliated by 200 runs, 300 runs, an innings and 10 runs and innings and 250 runs (one of the biggest defeats suffered by any team in the history of Test cricket) with a couple of ODI victories?
Trichromatic Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 Are you seriously equating a Test series slaughtering in which we were humiliated by 200 runs' date=' 300 runs, an innings and 10 runs and innings and 250 runs (one of the biggest defeats suffered by any team in the history of Test cricket) with a couple of ODI victories?[/quote'] And those ODIs meant just 4 days on dominance so far. While 4 tests meant more than 15 days of dominance. Not sure how both can be compared.
saneindian Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 England got thrashed by aus in ODI's after destroying them in tests' date=' not worried in the slightest.[/quote'] Aussies had Beer as their spinner, here even Jadeja is making your batsmen dance on decent tracks (not turners by any stretch of imagination). Tests are going to be tough next year unless we decide to be over gracious and give you guys 4 flat decks instead of spinning tracks.
saneindian Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 And those ODIs meant just 4 days on dominance so far. While 4 tests meant more than 15 days of dominance. Not sure how both can be compared. The formats are different hence no comparion. But going by the evidence of the struggle the English batsmen have had on these lower bounce two paced tracks and the problems their bowlers have had in the absence of swing or seam, it surely is a pointer of the things to come if the test series next year is played on 4 similar surfaces (and not 4 flat pattas). Plus this demolition in the ODIs once again strengthens the point that England do struggle in the SC. Something which Pakistan and Sri lanka will be closely watching as they prepare to host the poms in UAE and Lanka in the next 6 months.
Trichromatic Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 Plus this demolition in the ODIs once again strengthens the point that England do struggle in the SC. Something which Pakistan and Sri lanka will be closely watching as they prepare to host the poms in UAE and Lanka in the next 6 months. 1. Pakistan won't try that. Despite being a sub-continent team, Pakistani players are not good against spin. They struggled against Swann in England. In the current team only Younis and Misbah play spin well. I doubt they will prepare spinning tracks. Sure they can put brakes on England batting with Ajmal and co, but their batting will suffer even more. 2. SL will certainly give spinner-friendly tracks, but they won't try anything like they did to Australia in 1st test. They have to play 2 tests and they might not take that risk. The formats are different hence no comparion. But going by the evidence of the struggle the English batsmen have had on these lower bounce two paced tracks and the problems their bowlers have had in the absence of swing or seam, it surely is a pointer of the things to come if the test series next year is played on 4 similar surfaces (and not 4 flat pattas). England's test side is totally different. Strauss, KP and Bell are good players of spin bowling especially in tests. They have performed well in India. They won't dominate in SC conditions, but with enough preparations they can ensure that they don't struggle too much. It's not very difficult to do so. In fact any top side can make sure that they play decently everywhere and don't get outplayed completely everywhere. India managed to do so in SL and Australia when their was much stronger any of the current teams. To repeat anything like what happened to India is next to impossible if England side is ready for that and I'm sure they will. On the other hand, India has rarely dominated any side in a series in last decade. Both India and SL don't have spinners who can help in dominating the opposition.
jonas10 Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 Because they beat us in a test series. They also won the ODIs as well. It would be interesting to see how these guys would fare right now against the India B side. They'd probably be washed in Tests too like the ODIs.
daryl1985 Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 They also won the ODIs as well. It would be interesting to see how these guys would fare right now against the India B side. They'd probably be washed in Tests too like the ODIs. They are a different animal in tests. Their ODI side is very weak compared to the test team. They were hammered in Australia after their dominant ashes win.
Trichromatic Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 They also won the ODIs as well. It would be interesting to see how these guys would fare right now against the India B side. They'd probably be washed in Tests too like the ODIs. Ok, when was the last time India washed any side at home a 4 test match series? Sure they are not that good in SC, but is India strong enough at home to produce such result? Forget 4 matches, India hadn't won 2 matches in a series 3-4 times only in last 15 years or so. However we have certainly thrashed teams in ODIs.
ganeshran Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 ok lets settle it this way - We have avenged them for the ODI series, but the chance in tests will come next year. Upto the Indian team to take that as motivation
Pagalpanti Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 I don't think India can ever Whitewash any team in their own backyard the way England did, hell even Australia never won a series by such proportions. But I'd surely back us to win the series next year be it any margin.
Trichromatic Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 I don't think India can ever Whitewash any team in their own backyard the way England did' date=' hell even Australia never won a series by such proportions. But I'd surely back us to win the series next year be it any margin.[/quote'] No top team suffers such result. It's rare in cricket and that's why it was one of the worst defeat in history of cricket.
Cricket Tragic Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 I don't think India can ever Whitewash any team in their own backyard the way England did' date=' hell even Australia never won a series by such proportions. But I'd surely back us to win the series next year be it any margin.[/quote'] Nailed it. /thread
The Outsider Posted August 22, 2012 Posted August 22, 2012 First time that Sharda Ugra has written something that makes sense - most of it anyway. This one had me laughing out loud : http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/current/story/578922.html At 9:25am on Thursday, August 23, when the bell goes in Hyderabad, for all practical and formal purposes, it will signal to everyone - umpires, players and the crowd - that there's five minutes left for play to start in the first Test between India and New Zealand. The bell will largely be heard by those around the dressing rooms but across Indian cricket, it will also become the sound of the earth rumbling. It will resound with finality, bringing home the truth that when the Indian team looks for security and courage, resolve and imagination, they will have to look elsewhere. If numbers create structures, Dravid and Laxman's are a tower block of the kind that is now sold to urban Indians with central air-conditioning, high-speed elevators, heated swimming pools and helipads. Premium luxury. Those names fill the No. 2 and No. 4 spots among India's highest Test run-scorers. Between them is only S M Gavaskar.
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