Are too flat pitches good for Indian cricket?

[Desi Cartman]

as i said before these is scoreboard pressure to contend with. and setting a limit is pretty easy. Pick a number which you think defines a flat pitch and one which defines a really flat pitch

Huh and how can a curator stop a player from playing a blinder ?

[G_B_]

Huh and how can a curator stop a player from playing a blinder ?

pretty easy in india make it a slow turner. with plenty of swing and seam

[Number]

Don't forget it was a crap bowling from WI too. Gwalior one was not as flat as it is made out to be. It was a masterclass fro Sachin that day. Rajkot , being a small ground will always give high scoring games. And also why 300 ? why not 225 instead or 200 ?

[Desi Cartman]

No. 5 extra field restricted overs result in 150 more runs?:cantstop:

It's about momentum

[Karan114]

imagine gayle on this pitch

What's this thing about Gayle, I've seen it mentioned elsewhere as well? Even if he actually turned up to play for the WI, the dude has a strike rate of 83 in ODIs - hardly special. Even Virat Kohli has a strike rate of 83 and as good an ODI batsman Virat is, he's no monster like Veeru.

[G_B_]

all i am saying is I find is more than a coincidence that of the 400 plus scores in ODIs against non minnows 3 of the 4 have come in India. With 2 of them coming in the same state of MP. Now you would have seen plenty of 400 plus scores all around the world? Other teams do have good player too ya know

[Number]

LOL imagine Warner , Watson on this pitch.

[Desi Cartman]

pretty easy in india make it a slow turner. with plenty of swing and seam

:facepalm:

[panther]

What's this thing about Gayle' date=' I've seen it mentioned elsewhere as well? Even if he actually turned up to play for the WI, the dude has a strike rate of 83 in ODIs - hardly special. Even Virat Kohli has a strike rate of 83 and as good an ODI batsman Virat is, he's no monster like Veeru.[/quote'] ok man no need to have a rant at me

[Desi Cartman]

all i am saying is I find is more than a coincidence that of the 400 plus scores in ODIs against non minnows 3 of the 4 have come in India. With 2 of them coming in the same state of MP. Now you would have seen plenty of 400 plus scores all around the world? Other teams do have good player too ya know

Did south Africa also make 400+ in India after srt made a 200 ? Is their bowling worse than India's ?

[G_B_]

:facepalm:

the point being ofcourse the curator can have a big impact on how much a team/player can score. I think you would have to be naive to believe otherwise. I think even before Sachin the Saeed anwar record was v India in Chennai

[amiret]

This kind of cricket is boring. There is no need for bowlers on these Dead tracks. Just replace them with bowling machines. No wonder Sehwag averages 22 against Australia in ODI's but revels on these flat,dead tracks.

[Karan114]

ok man no need to have a rant at me

Rant, wtf :hysterical: Dude it was a genuine post, like I said I've seen it mentioned elsewhere as well, not just by you. I think Gayle's destructiveness is a little overrated.

[Ultimate_Game]

Who else thinks that its not healthy to be scoring 400 so many times? India have scored 3 400 plus scores at home? Surely we are wrecking our bowlers more? I am all for 300 pitches. But anything more than say 350 is where i draw the line. Dont get me wrong Sehwag was a joy to watch. But its like the entire innings is a highlights package.

With the advent of T20 you will see higher scores in odis just as the advent of odis increased the rate of scoring in Tests. As for Indian pitches being flat and harming the team, didn't we win the world cup just a few months back? Everyone plays on flat pitches. Do you think Pakis, Bangbros and Lankans don't play enough on flat pitches? It's just that Indian batting team is pretty good at the moment - probably best in the world with more than decent replacements. We are hammering WI without the likes of SRT, Yuvraj, Dhoni etc. in the team. With the likes of Rohit Sharma not automatic selection for the team, when he would walk in the team for just about any other intl team shows the strength of our batting.

[G_B_]

Did south Africa also make 400+ in India after srt made a 200 ? Is their bowling worse than India's ?

dude its scoreboard pressure. It does exist. There are times when a side reacts well like SL did with us in Rajkot and ofcouse the famous chase of Sa v Aus. But clearly batting first is an advantage. Thats the entire point of winning the toss right? you get the best of conditions most of the time.

[Desi Cartman]

This kind of cricket is boring. There is no need for bowlers on these Dead tracks. Just replace them with bowling machines. No wonder Sehwag averages 22 against Australia in ODI's but revels on these flat,dead tracks.

So he has 65+ avg vs Aussies in aus in tests so what pitch is he playing on in aus ?

[Desi Cartman]

dude its scoreboard pressure. It does exist. There are times when a side reacts well like SL did with us in Rajkot and ofcouse the famous chase of Sa v Aus. But clearly batting first is an advantage. Thats the entire point of winning the toss right? you get the best of conditions most of the time.

And foreigners have never batted first in India ?

[G_B_]

With the advent of T20 you will see higher scores in odis just as the advent of odis increased the rate of scoring in Tests. As for Indian pitches being flat and harming the team, didn't we win the world cup just a few months back? Everyone plays on flat pitches. Do you think Pakis, Bangbros and Lankans don't play enough on flat pitches? It's just that Indian batting team is pretty good at the moment - probably best in the world with more than decent replacements. We are hammering WI without the likes of SRT, Yuvraj, Dhoni etc. in the team. With the likes of Rohit Sharma not automatic selection for the team, when he would walk in the team for just about any other intl team shows the strength of our batting.

yeah but see thats my point. In non minnow matches Of all the games involving 400s India seems to be the home when 4 times sides in 3 matches. There is not the kind of runs scored anywhere. Now dont tell me that other sides like Aus and Sa who have scored 400 before are somehow not good enough? The fact is they dont play much on small ground with road tracks. Answer me this, why has the record been broken twice in the same state under the management of the same cricket association within the BCCI. Madhya Pradesh? Something in the water there?

[Sachin=GOD]

y Answer me this, why has the record been broken twice in the same state under the management of the same cricket association within the BCCI. Madhya Pradesh? Something in the water there?

:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

[saneindian]

yeah but see thats my point. In non minnow matches Of all the games involving 400s India seems to be the home when 4 times sides in 3 matches. There is not the kind of runs scored anywhere. Now dont tell me that other sides like Aus and Sa who have scored 400 before are somehow not good enough? The fact is they dont play much on small ground with road tracks. Answer me this, why has the record been broken twice in the same state under the management of the same cricket association within the BCCI. Madhya Pradesh? Something in the water there?

Because two of the best ODi batsmen happen to bat for 45-50 overs in those matches and were well supported by their batting line up. When you see 120 runs scored between overs 20-35, that doesnt happen due to the pitch, but credit goes to the batsmen. There is no such thing as a flat pitch where 400 will be made. You need quality batting, crap bowling and shoddy fielding , all on the same day to see 400 being made.