vvvslaxman Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 that r all excuses.inexperienced yes but they had the conditions.if they r not expected to d well why play them? They had the conditions. But not bowlers to exploit it. Why play them? That is all we have. Our cup board is bare. Either they are injured or they suck.
Lord Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 Unfortunately Aussies had batsmen who knew how to score runs on a batting beauty just like they are showing us at Adelaide. Once again' date=' you are blaming bowlers for the batting failure.[/quote'] batting beauty n they were 37-3?it wasnt a patta like India,still had much for bowlers if they bowled well,but they didnt
Lord Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 They had the conditions. But not bowlers to exploit it. Why play them? That is all we have. Our cup board is bare. Either they are injured or they suck. the bowlers had the talent,no doubt about that,they dont seem to bowl 6 good deliveries on same length.in England it was understandable bcoz their batsmen r too good,but here we had young top 3,out of Ponting n Hussey.only Clarke was in good form
Marut Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 It is difficult to say which is worse - our batting or bowling. Infact they are competing with each other for the looser's prize. Since it is overseas, batting will not be as good as it is at home. With a good bowling unit, India can compete even with a shoddy batting display, like Pakistan usually does. We are loosing by such big margins because our bowlers suck. I still cannot understand how on the same wickets India gets <200 and the opposition makes 500+ routinely.
Lord Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 It is difficult to say which is worse - our batting or bowling. Infact they are competing with each other for the looser's prize. Since it is overseas' date=' batting will not be as good as it is at home. With a good bowling unit, India can compete even with a shoddy batting display, like Pakistan usually does. We are loosing by such big margins because our bowlers suck. I still cannot understand how on the same wickets India gets
Ultimate_Game Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 batting beauty n they were 37-3?it wasnt a patta like India' date='still had much for bowlers if they bowled well,but they didnt[/quote'] Once you saw off the new ball it was a patta. With kookaburra first 1.5 hrs are crucial and if you don't lose too many wkts you can capitalise. This is exactly what Aussies have done at Sydney and at Adelaide. Unfortunately our middle order batsmen failed to consolidate and make the most of decent batting conditions whereas Aussies have done so. Most of the time Aussies have lost first 3 wkts to the new ball but they made the most of conditions after that. In our case the batsmen looked in "good touch" before throwing it away.
Lord Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 Once you saw off the new ball it was a patta. With kookaburra first 1.5 hrs are crucial and if you don't lose too many wkts you can capitalise. This is exactly what Aussies have done at Sydney and at Adelaide. Unfortunately our middle order batsmen failed to consolidate and make the most of decent batting conditions whereas Aussies have done so. Most of the time Aussies have lost first 3 wkts to the new ball but they made the most of conditions after that. In our case the batsmen looked in "good touch" before throwing it away. no it wasnt a patta.Ishant was bowling good deliveries,Zak got movement on odd deliveries.they just werent consisent.it was a max 400 pitch,not 650
Ultimate_Game Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 no it wasnt a patta.Ishant was bowling good deliveries' date='Zak got movement on odd deliveries.they just werent consisent.it was a max 400 pitch,not 650[/quote'] If it was a 400 pitch how come our stalwarts got knocked over for 190?
Lord Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 If it was a 400 pitch how come our stalwarts got knocked over for 190? I meant on 2nd /3rd day.on first day it still had more than enough for quicks.anyway I never defended them,just that bowling is equally to blame
vvvslaxman Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 I meant on 2nd /3rd day.on first day it still had more than enough for quicks.anyway I never defended them' date='just that bowling is equally to blame[/quote'] Bowling was equally to blame. But when you compare India's batting experience and skill (Gambhir, Sehwag, Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman) with bowling experience and skill (Zak, Ishant, Umesh, Ashwin, Vinay) there is ocean of difference. It was highlighted by nothing more than batting from Ashwin who looked the most comfortable batsman apart from Sachin out in the middle.
Ultimate_Game Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 I meant on 2nd /3rd day.on first day it still had more than enough for quicks.anyway I never defended them' date='just that bowling is equally to blame[/quote'] It was same as Adelaide. in the first session on the first day of the test there's bound to be some help, especially with the new ball. Even Aus lost 3 wkts at Adelaide and look how they countered. Problem is that after 3 wkts down we had Tendulkar "looking good" and then getting out unlike carrying on like Calrke or Ponting, and Laxman who couldn't get the ball off the square.
Lord Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 It was same as Adelaide. in the first session on the first day of the test there's bound to be some help' date=' especially with the new ball. Even Aus lost 3 wkts at Adelaide and look how they countered. Problem is that after 3 wkts down we had Tendulkar "looking good" and then getting out unlike carrying on like Calrke or Ponting, and Laxman who couldn't get the ball off the square.[/quote'] Clarke r Ponting are facing pathetic bowlers who give up at first sign of a partnership.Tendulkar n co. are facing Siddle,Hilfy,who keep coming at them all the time. Ponting was on the verge of being axed before this series,now hes scored 400+ runs in the series,surely our bowling has to do something about this
Ultimate_Game Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 Clarke r Ponting are facing pathetic bowlers who give up at first sign of a partnership.Tendulkar n co. are facing Siddle,Hilfy,who keep coming at them all the time. Ponting was on the verge of being axed before this series,now hes scored 400+ runs in the series,surely our bowling has to do something about this You are making Harris, Hilfy and Siddle look like Marshal, Holding and Garner :haha: Yes, the Aussie bowlers have been disciplined but this is what you expect the bowlers at this level to be. TBH I didn't see too many jaffas from the Aussies and it was our batsmen's ineptitude we didn't score. If it were up to me Dravid and Laxman would have been replaced by Rahane and Rohit from the 3rd test but hey we are talking about the Indian team where seniority counts for a lot just like any govt job.
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