Lara V Tendulkar

[saneindian]

so what is the blatant lie you found ?? :sherlock:

Are you seriously so thick skinned? Go back to a few of your posts, read them carefully, read my responses and you will know what we are talking about.

[Precambrian]

Still going on :hysterical: can someone explain to him that: Sachin avgs 26 against Zim in 90s so his avg will go down. so what's the point in "even attempting" that Zim was decent :facepalm: The concept of relying on Zim is itself pathetic esp. for someone considered to be the greatest of all time :cantstop:

still crying? no answer to my earlier query on why exclude Zim from the list altogether? despite India's own bowling avg closer to zim's than that of SA or Aus or Pak or WI? Or u want to classify Ind also as a minnow?:cantstop:

[Ultimate_Game]

How did SRT Vs Lara thread become a "whether Zim was a minnow or not" thread Did Sir John drop by for a visit?

[Precambrian]

For Rett, Bowling avgs of teams excluding minnows in the 2000s: (Yeah excluded Zimbabwe too as post WC 03 they became unrecognisably bad and got shortly derecog) http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=2;home_or_away=3;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=4;opposition=5;opposition=6;opposition=7;opposition=8;orderby=team_average;spanmax2=31+Dec+2009;spanmin2=01+Jan+2000;spanval2=span;team=1;team=2;team=3;team=4;team=5;team=6;team=7;team=8;team_view=bowl;template=results;type=team NZ - 43 WI - 43 SL - 40 India - 39 All these are worse than that of Zimbabwe in the period sachin made runs against them... so exclude these as well??? :hysterical:

[velu]

Away bowling avg of teams in the 90s... http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=2;home_or_away=3;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=4;opposition=5;opposition=6;opposition=7;opposition=8;opposition=9;orderby=team_average;spanmax1=28+Feb+2002;spanmin1=1+jan+1990;spanval1=span;team=1;team=2;team=3;team=4;team=5;team=6;team=7;team=8;team=9;team_view=bowl;template=results;type=team No huge differences there between Zim, Ind, SL and NZ there...

do you think that it just proves my point :dontknow: it shows our bowling sucked and Zim is comparable to us , thats it .. sl , nz had average bowling but boy still there is a 4 or 5 pt difference is there :facepalm: and most interestingly they got the worst bowling averages of all and you wnat to claim that their bowling is not bad :headshake:

[Precambrian]

Or take the period from 2000-2006, http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=2;home_or_away=3;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=4;opposition=5;opposition=6;opposition=7;opposition=8;orderby=team_average;spanmax2=31+Dec+2006;spanmin2=1+Jan+2000;spanval2=span;team=1;team=2;team=3;team=4;team=5;team=6;team=7;team=8;team_view=bowl;template=results;type=team NZ - 45 WI - 42 India - 40 SA - 38 Eng - 37 Pak - 36 Will all these be also excluded from the "analysis" since the stats are very much comparable to that of Zim's bowling avg during the period Sachin faced them???

[Precambrian]

do you think that it just proves my point :dontknow: it shows our bowling sucked and Zim is comparable to us , thats it .. sl , nz had average bowling but boy still there is a 4 or 5 pt difference is there :facepalm: and most interestingly they got the worst bowling averages of all and you wnat to claim that their bowling is not bad :headshake:

Mate, nobody is saying their attack was world beating... but it wasn't exactly minnowseque.. that'd be Bangladesh whose bowling avg lies a country mile away from that of the rest of the bunch... anyway you look at it zim's bowling avg is not further than 2-3 points from the next in the pack during the period 90-02...

[velu]

Are you seriously so thick skinned? Go back to a few of your posts' date=' read them carefully, read my responses and you will know what we are talking about.[/quote'] if you think sl , india and nz were strong test teams in 90s , surely i cant help :winky: anyway precambrian posted the zim's bowing average when they tour , just check it and if you still think they are not minnows , then so be it :((

[tothepoint]

India won nothing away from home in the 90s' date=' so can we classify all stats against India away as minnow?[/quote'] Gurubhai as you wish, but the only problem in that is Lara will further inflate his average. :giggle:

[zen]

based on the time frame picked by Precam:

Start of match date between 1 jan 1990 and 28 Feb 2002   
Totals in terms of bowling team   
Ordered by average runs per wicket (descending)  
Page 1 of 1  Showing 1 - 9 of 9   First Previous  Next  Last   Return to query menu
Cleared query menu
 
Overall figures Team Span Mat Won Lost Tied Draw W/L Ave RPO HS LS  
Zimbabwe 1992-2002 59 4 33 0 22 0.12 [B]39.13[/B] 2.89 609 103  
New Zealand 1990-2001 96 20 38 0 38 0.52 [B]35.75[/B] 2.95 660 83  
England 1990-2001 132 36 52 0 44 0.69 [B]34.44[/B] 3.03 692 54  
India 1990-2002 89 26 28 0 35 0.92 [B]34.29 [/B]2.83 952 82  
Sri Lanka 1990-2002 91 26 31 0 34 0.83 [B]33.17[/B] 2.76 671 79  
West Indies 1990-2002 108 36 43 0 29 0.83 [B]29.90[/B] 2.81 627 46  
Pakistan 1990-2002 95 39 27 0 29 1.44[B] 29.60 [/B]2.99 599 71  
South Africa 1992-2002 92 41 20 0 31 2.05 [B]27.66[/B] 2.69 652 66  
Australia 1990-2002 132 72 28 0 32 2.57 [B]27.64[/B] 2.83 657 51  

link And we are still discussing :giggle:

[Precambrian]

Gurubhai as you wish' date=' but the only problem in that is Lara will further inflate his average. :giggle:[/quote'] Nah that'd mean Lara failed to score even against minnows ;)

[velu]

Mate, nobody is saying their attack was world beating... but it wasn't exactly minnowseque.. that'd be Bangladesh whose bowling avg lies a country mile away from that of the rest of the bunch... anyway you look at it zim's bowling avg is not further than 2-3 points from the next in the pack during the period 90-02...

ok dude.. this thread is moving so fast and i cant cope with it , will catch it later :winky: but from your stats i got that our batting sucked in Zim and so does pakistans , and Zim's bowling is not that bad as i thought but it is enhanced because of ind+pak's crappy batting :cantstop:

[tothepoint]

How did SRT Vs Lara thread become a "whether Zim was a minnow or not" thread Did Sir John drop by for a visit?

Dude look at the bigger picture. Sachin averages 113 vs the fearsome Zim bowling unit at home. Soon its going to turn into another Sachin vs the one who never faced any decent bowler thread and this time we will have a winner, courtsey Zimboks.

[Precambrian]

based on the time frame picked by Precam:

Start of match date between 1 jan 1990 and 28 Feb 2002   
Totals in terms of bowling team   
Ordered by average runs per wicket (descending)  
Page 1 of 1  Showing 1 - 9 of 9   First Previous  Next  Last   Return to query menu
Cleared query menu
 
Overall figures Team Span Mat Won Lost Tied Draw W/L Ave RPO HS LS  
Zimbabwe 1992-2002 59 4 33 0 22 0.12 [B]39.13[/B] 2.89 609 103  
New Zealand 1990-2001 96 20 38 0 38 0.52 [B]35.75[/B] 2.95 660 83  
England 1990-2001 132 36 52 0 44 0.69 [B]34.44[/B] 3.03 692 54  
India 1990-2002 89 26 28 0 35 0.92 [B]34.29 [/B]2.83 952 82  
Sri Lanka 1990-2002 91 26 31 0 34 0.83 [B]33.17[/B] 2.76 671 79  
West Indies 1990-2002 108 36 43 0 29 0.83 [B]29.90[/B] 2.81 627 46  
Pakistan 1990-2002 95 39 27 0 29 1.44[B] 29.60 [/B]2.99 599 71  
South Africa 1992-2002 92 41 20 0 31 2.05 [B]27.66[/B] 2.69 652 66  
Australia 1990-2002 132 72 28 0 32 2.57 [B]27.64[/B] 2.83 657 51  

link And we are still discussing :giggle:

Yes, a difference of 3 grand points between NZ and Zim.. 39 vs 36 But Zim becomes an outcaste whereas NZ is readily included in the list of "proper" teams :cantstop: Look at my posts above as well... In the 2000s, 3 teams averaged in the 40s including our own India... will that make them minnows as well?

[panther]

these tendulker threads go on forever and ever

[zen]

Yes, a difference of 3 grand points between NZ and Zim.. 39 vs 36 But Zim becomes an outcaste whereas NZ is readily included in the list of "proper" teams :cantstop: Look at my posts above as well... In the 2000s, 3 teams averaged in the 40s including our own India... will that make them minnows as well?

but the diff b/w Eng and NZ is only 1.something :cantstop: and look at the number of tests, NZ has played against stronger teams link vs Zim (based on the period you selected) But I am sure you still don't see the difference because somehow Zim is suppose to help Ten :P

[tothepoint]

Nah that'd mean Lara failed to score even against minnows ;)

Hmmm..ok boss. But now I am a bit confused. For finding out the greatest of the last two decades, we should be looking only at the stats exclusively against minnows(which is as of now,Zimboks and India away) or we should be looking at how they performed against the better oppositions?

[Precambrian]

but the diff b/w Eng and NZ is only 1.something :cantstop: and look at the number of tests, NZ has played against stronger teams link vs Zim (based on the period you selected) But I am sure you still don't see the difference because somehow Zim is suppose to help Ten :P

rett, that doesn't make them a "minnow" enough to have performances against them completely excluded... regardless of the fact that Zim really never went on playing "weaker" teams in the 90s...

[Precambrian]

Hmmm..ok boss. But now I am a bit confused. For finding out the greatest of the last two decades' date=' we should be looking only at the stats exclusively against minnows(which is as of now,Zimboks and India away) or we should be looking at how they performed against the better oppositions?[/quote'] best approach is to group em up... and standardize the performances based on a common aspect.. like a global average... in other words assign weightages to the runs scored and assess the averages.. if sachin averages 120 vs Ban and rest of the world averages 60 against them, then Sachin has outperformed the rest of the world by 100% and it is rubbish to totally take them out.. reduce the weighting instead... I tried a similar exercise a few pages back... and yet Tendulkar managed to come on top...

[akshayxyz]

best approach is to group em up... and standardize the performances based on a common aspect.. like a global average... in other words assign weightages to the runs scored and assess the averages.. if sachin averages 120 vs Ban and rest of the world averages 60 against them, then Sachin has outperformed the rest of the world by 100% and it is rubbish to totally take them out.. reduce the weighting instead... I tried a similar exercise a few pages back... and yet Tendulkar managed to come on top...

he did not do anything, he/anyone do not play for statsguru.