Ultimate_Game Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 ^^^ Yup they should follow Tendulkar's example and start eating vada paavs going forward :two_thumbs_up:
someone Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 Reality Check It's a good reality check for us today. And if anyone deserves to slap, it is the fans. Tremendously overconfidence and really many delusional here. 1. Winning at home is not a guarantee. We can easily lose a series here as well. Thus, actually Dhoni deserves some credit for winning previous series rather than little recognition. 2. Not only India have spinners, even England have some. And they are not bad at all. 3. Not only England have troubles with spinners, so does India. 4. Perhaps the above point comes with the lack of form of some of our batsman. 5. We cannot be overly dependent on the pitch to win matches. We still have to perform and avoid mistakes. 6. There is no perfect selection of squad or team. Many fans here just have a wrong logic if they believe there is a perfect team. It's all about basics in cricket. A lot of kneejerk reactions here as 1 week ago, we had the greatest this or that to today needing a radical change. Really India needs better fans first rather than better players.
R.D forever Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 Ashwin has no patience , was bowling poor line and length. I dont think fitness is the problem. He bowls atleast one short bowl in an over :hitler:
Crookbond Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 Point 1, 3 and 5 have been overlooked more than once. Specially point 3 - the genre of spin bowling is changing and it makes visiting teams with decent spinners quite potent. Also, I have seen people talking about Point 1 as fait accompli - I wish he give more respect to wins at home just like winning abroad.
CG Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 It's a good reality check for us today. And if anyone deserves to slap, it is the fans. Tremendously overconfidence and really many delusional here. 1. Winning at home is not a guarantee. We can easily lose a series here as well. Thus, actually Dhoni deserves some credit for winning previous series rather than little recognition. 2. Not only India have spinners, even England have some. And they are not bad at all. 3. Not only England have troubles with spinners, so does India. 4. Perhaps the above point comes with the lack of form of some of our batsman. 5. We cannot be overly dependent on the pitch to win matches. We still have to perform and avoid mistakes. A lot of kneejerk reaction here where 1 week ago, we had the greatest this or that to today needing a radical change. Really India needs better fans first rather than better players. WTF India has a home record which is outstanding in last decade.We have only lost 1 series in last 10 years. And we have played likes of warne to muruli to vettori.
Ultimate_Game Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 WTF India has a home record which is outstanding in last decade.We have only lost 1 series in last 10 years. And we have played likes of warne to muruli to vettori. And just 2 since 1987, and one of which was the Aussie series in 2004 where the Pawar/Shashank Manohar lobby gave Aussies a green track at Nagpur to spite Dalmiya & Ganguly.
CG Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 When you bowl 100+ overs back to back in 1st test and 2nd test in less than 4 days off and your new spinners get to bowl 20 overs because captain is saving him for tailenders what do you expect.ashiwn and ojha again bowled 40+ overs.
Trichromatic Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 WTF India has a home record which is outstanding in last decade.We have only lost 1 series in last 10 years. And we have played likes of warne to muruli to vettori. Yeah and we have lost only 1 test at home under Dhoni and no we didn't draw many matches because of flat pitches either. [table=head]Captain Teams Span Mat Won Lost Tied Draw W/L % Won % Lost %Drawn *MS Dhoni 1 2008-2012 22 15 1 0 5 15 68.18 4.55 22.73 *SC Ganguly 1 2000-2005 21 10 3 0 8 3.33 47.62 14.29 38.10 *M Azharuddin 1 1990-1999 20 13 4 0 3 3.25 65.00 20.00 15.00 *R Dravid 1 2003-2006 8 3 2 0 3 1.5 37.50 25.00 37.50 *SR Tendulkar 1 1996-2000 12 4 3 0 5 1.33 33.33 25.00 41.67 *A Kumble 1 2007-2008 7 1 1 0 5 1 14.29 14.29 71.43 *V Sehwag 1 2005-2005 1 1 0 0 0 - 100.00 0.00 0.00[/table]
Eternal Atma Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 It's not fitness it's to do with strategy. Ashwin got loads of wickets earlier against poorer opposition, you need to set a batsmen up especially when things are going against you. Or at least be accurate and eventually a wicket will fall. Ojha fair play forces batsmen to make errors.
Eternal Atma Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 It is shameful to lose to England at home in even a single test when you consider how rubbish they are in asia and how strong we are at home. The blame lies with us for carrying passengers.
Trichromatic Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 Best home records in history of cricket [table=head]Captain Teams Span Mat Won Lost Tied Draw W/L Ave RPO HS LS *MS Dhoni 1 2008-2012 22 15 1 0 5 15.00 46.33 3.59 726 209 *SR Waugh 1 1999-2004 29 22 2 0 5 11.00 50.04 3.80 735 196 *Javed Miandad 1 1980-1990 22 10 1 0 11 10.00 35.29 2.99 555 102 *GP Howarth 1 1980-1985 17 8 1 0 8 8.00 32.28 2.69 537 100 *IVA Richards 1 1984-1991 24 15 2 0 7 7.50 37.53 3.32 569 149 *WG Grace 1 1888-1899 10 7 1 0 2 7.00 22.97 2.61 483 84 *CH Lloyd 1 1976-1984 24 13 2 0 9 6.50 39.72 3.11 550 154 *RGD Willis 1 1982-1983 9 6 1 0 2 6.00 34.45 2.86 594 209 *RT Ponting 1 2004-2010 39 29 5 0 5 5.80 44.10 3.61 602 98 *DG Bradman 1 1936-1948 15 10 2 0 3 5.00 42.51 2.90 674 58 *APF Chapman 1 1926-1930 8 5 1 0 2 5.00 36.83 2.90 438 270 *KC Sangakkara 1 2009-2010 11 5 1 0 5 5.00 45.36 3.58 642 217 *AJ Strauss 1 2006-2012 31 19 4 0 8 4.75 42.96 3.63 710 102 *IM Chappell 1 1971-1975 13 9 2 0 2 4.50 36.69 2.96 585 152 *Imran Khan 1 1982-1992 22 9 2 0 11 4.50 40.72 3.12 699 77[/table]
Trichromatic Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 It is shameful to lose to England at home in even a single test when you consider how rubbish they are in asia and how strong we are at home. The blame lies with us for carrying passengers. How rubbish? They leveled series against SL and that's what we have been able to do in our recent tours there. They lost in UAE because of brilliant bowling of Ajmal and Rahman. Our spinners are not even close to them and batsmen are out of form. We didn't win 2006 home series against England either and IIRC they had lost to Pakistan then also. Just because of 8-0 we think we will become super dominating team at home and would annihilate teams like we have never done in our test history even when we don't have in form players. A series win should be good enough result for this team.
Eternal Atma Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 How rubbish? They leveled series against SL and that's what we have been able to do in our recent tours there. They lost in UAE because of brilliant bowling of Ajmal and Rahman. Our spinners are not even close to them and batsmen are out of form. We didn't win 2006 home series against England either and IIRC they had lost to Pakistan also. Our situation was different when we faced mystery mendis. Sri Lanka are a weak team now and they could have won that series with England.
Crookbond Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 Some people just find a way to get their grudges to be targeted in each & every thread. Now, MSD is blamed for poor fitness of spin bowlers. :hysterical:
Trichromatic Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 Our situation was different when we faced mystery mendis. Sri Lanka are a weak team now and they could have won that series with England. Yeah, could have and should have. They didn't and we didn't.
Crookbond Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 How rubbish? They leveled series against SL and that's what we have been able to do in our recent tours there. They lost in UAE because of brilliant bowling of Ajmal and Rahman. Our spinners are not even close to them and batsmen are out of form. We didn't win 2006 home series against England either and IIRC they had lost to Pakistan then also. Just because of 8-0 we think we will become super dominating team at home and would annihilate teams like we have never done in our test history even when we don't have in form players. A series win should be good enough result for this team. Realistic goals! :two_thumbs_up: I see people want to avenge our defeat in England. I am not sure if that's the right way to go.
Rohit S. Ambani Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 Harby gone, look @ bounce and spin on this wicket! Dhoni jai ho :((
Trichromatic Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 Realistic goals! :two_thumbs_up: I see people want to avenge our defeat in England. I am not sure if that's the right way to go. People want bollywood movies type action. Hero goes down and is on verge of dying. Then suddenly he rises and beats everyone. :hysterical: We are dependent mainly on few young players ffs. It would unfair if they are not given credit just because we don't get 4-0, 4-0 which we haven't done ever with our best team at home.
CG Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 Realistic goals! :two_thumbs_up: I see people want to avenge our defeat in England. I am not sure if that's the right way to go. People will want revenge but it seems our captain and team also wanted it.
Desi Cartman Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 The below players shouldn't be playing : Srt Bhajji UV Zaheer Maybe even gautam We have lost because our selectors refuse to do the right thing and our team refuses to use DRS. IMO this is a deserved result
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