The Narendra Modi thread

[bulbul]

No. He floated his own party and will contest against Modi in Varanasi (he contested against MM Joshi in Varanasi last time and came second). Will probably prove to be a better challenger than Kejri or BSP/SP candidates.

Common why bursting the bubble :((

[urbestfriend]

Here's the problem - it is not the big leaders but the common unknown workers who win the election (the big leaders may hold rallies and influence some voters but in the end its up to the workers to make sure that the entire constituency is covered in campaigning and that BJP voters come out to vote on election day) and these workers' date=' in most cases, have had a long association with these veteran leaders/local leaders who have been unceremoniously dumped and replaced with outsiders/people from other parties . If the Modi/Rajanth had at least talked to all these seniors and handled the selection process well then neither the leaders nor workers would have minded the denial of tickets and in many cases the seniors would have themselves endorsed the new candidates. But what has happened is that one after the other the seniors across the country are being insulted again and again - young people on social media may like that because they think that these "old hogs" have let the party down but common workers who have been associated with these leaders for decades do not like that at all, especially when the party decides to air drop someone who has absolutely no connection with that place (like Kalraj Mishra from Deoria or Gen. VK Singh from Ghaziabad, Kirron Kher form Chandigarh, Hema Malini from Mathura ets) or worse still from another party. No amount of persuasion or threats will convince the workers/local leaders otherwise (and in most cases the local leaders/workers are right to protest and not work for candidates who used to be in Cong/BSP/SP till 2 days ago or those who have no relation to that place and will, in all probability, not be seen for a long time even if they win). As for people coming from other parties and getting tickets immediately - you can hardly expect BJP leaders who have been working in a constituency for years to suddenly give their seat and on top of that work for someone who used to be in Cong/BSP/SP etc.[/quote'] You need to understand one thing, there is a huge Modi wave and even disgruntled party workers do not go to an extent of working for a rebel candidates for simple reason that they would be benefited if they win the seat. It is different if there is an anti-incumbency though...Also keep in mind that big leaders would bring huge no of their own workers , who may not be party supporters but they follow their leaders. Old guns who worked for parties for long time keep cribbing for sometime, but it will generally not have an impact. I know it for sure because it happened in Karnataka where people who are hard core workers of BJP since Jansangh days are completely sidelined in 2008, there is almost a revellion inside the party for bringing outsiders who dont respect party's ideology etc , but Yeddy's strategy of sidelining them proved right and these old people today has become silent spectators.

[The Outsider]

No. He floated his own party and will contest against Modi in Varanasi (he contested against MM Joshi in Varanasi last time and came second). Will probably prove to be a better challenger than Kejri or BSP/SP candidates.

Raja Bhaiyya was a minister in the SP government. The guy who contested against MM Josh I was Ansari.

[urbestfriend]

Common why bursting the bubble :((

http://www.asianage.com/india/bjp-tries-rope-raja-bhaiyya-527

[Sachin=GOD]

You need to understand one thing' date= there is a huge Modi wave and even disgruntled party workers do not go to an extent of working for a rebel candidates for simple reason that they would be benefited if they win the seat. It is different if there is an anti-incumbency though...Also keep in mind that big leaders would bring huge no of their own workers , who may not be party supporters but they follow their leaders. Old guns who worked for parties for long time keep cribbing for sometime, but it will generally not have an impact. I know it for sure because it happened in Karnataka where people who are hard core workers of BJP since Jansangh days are completely sidelined in 2008, there is almost a revellion inside the party for bringing outsiders who dont respect party's ideology etc , but Yeddy's strategy of sidelining them proved right and these old people today has become silent spectators.

ek toh yeh "wave" term ka itna misuse hota hai aajkal :facepalm: A wave was in 1984 when Cong could make anyone their candidtae and he/she would win. Wave was in Bengal in 2012 (when Mamta won around 75% of the seats). Wave was in Rajasthan last year when Vasundhara Raje led BJP won around 75% of seats - these are called electoral waves. BJP, even at its best, will not win more than 200-210 (mind you, this in itself is a highly optimistic figure) - this is nowhere near a "wave". Even Cong won 206 last time - I didn't hear that Manmohan Singh/Sonia Gandhi ki hawa thi election mein.... If the leaders are air dropped (like Rajnath Singh in Lko, Kalraj Mishra in Deoria etc) then even if they bring their own workers from other cities, these workers won't know where to go, who to contact, which are the opinion leaders in the various mohallas, who holds the key to votes of different societies etc - these are things you only learn from long experience working in that city. In case of workers coming in from other parties - there are always big clashes between BJP workers and these outsiders. I think if you check the record then you will see that in the past a rather small percentage of ex Cong/BSP/SP members have won from BJP - there's a reason for that which apparantly Modi.Rajnath haven't understood. They have given 23 tickets to people who joined the BJP a few days/weeks/months ago - a lot of them will lose and worse still, the BJP's own workers/local leaders in these areas will be disillusioned.

[Sachin=GOD]

Raja Bhaiyya was a minister in the SP government. The guy who contested against MM Josh I was Ansari.

oh yeah.....got confused. Raja Bhaiya also isn't in BJP till now.

[Sachin=GOD]

http://www.asianage.com/india/bjp-tries-rope-raja-bhaiyya-527

great!!!!! ek aur criminal. Everyone apart form loyal BJP leaders/workers are being held in high esteem by Modi/Rajnath - and people think that its a welcome change that BJP is taken over by the next gen.

[bulbul]

http://www.asianage.com/india/bjp-tries-rope-raja-bhaiyya-527

Still not in BJP,so people can wait for some more time before starting the dance :two_thumbs_up:

[Precambrian]

I can guarantee that this kind of ticket distribution process' date=' focussed on targeting and insulting the party veterans while giving more importance to people who have just joined from other parties, will cost the BJP dearly. And this is not happening just in UP but in many other states. All together I think this may cost BJP around 15-20 seats which may very well be the difference between a Modi led Govt and a NDA Govt led by someone else from BJP - so I guess in a way this is a blessing in disguise for both India and BJP.[/quote'] Dream on. Exactly who are the old party leaders whom bjp has shunned?

[FischerTal]

I can guarantee that this kind of ticket distribution process' date=' focussed on targeting and insulting the party veterans while giving more importance to people who have just joined from other parties, will cost the BJP dearly. And this is not happening just in UP but in many other states. All together I think this may cost BJP around 15-20 seats which may very well be the difference between a Modi led Govt and a NDA Govt led by someone else from BJP - so I guess in a way this is a blessing in disguise for both India and BJP.[/quote'] S=G has predicting the descent of Modi for awhile yet Modi keeps moving forward. In a way, S=G is the lucky charm for Modi. Keep predicting his doom :icflove:

[scorpio90]

TIhHb9bRySo This is what happened during blackout of LS proceedings during AP vote. After watching this, anybody can justify Lagadpati using pepper spray. As usual Dienasty is using its muscle very ruthlessly even in Parliament to get telangana bill passed by hook or crook.

[someone]

MEq4o3duXak Great Interview.

[someone]

MEq4o3duXak Great Interview.

And there was one excellent point by Shourie below. First Congress target was to win the elections itself - then it became that BJP should be defeated - now it has come down prevent just one man, Modi from becoming PM. ------------------ And mind you, it's not Congress, but many other parties such as AAP, SP, BSP.

[JaiRamesh2]

Karnataka better buckle up, seems like too many headaches :hmmm: Will need every cooperation from all for mission 272+

How the BJP’s choice of candidates in Karnataka may dent Modi’s dream ... In the Udupi-Chikmagalur constituency, another BJP bastion, which shot to national prominence because of the Datta Peetha row spearheaded by local leader and former minister CT Ravi, the party has given ticket to Yeddyurappa’s confidante Shobha Karandlaje. The entire local BJP cadre has rebelled against her, as they wanted Ravi to contest the polls. In Bangalore North, the party has fielded former CM DV Sadananda Gowda, whose candidature was openly opposed by local strongman and former deputy CM R Ashoka. Both are Vokkaligas and a victory for Gowda could undermine the stature of Ashoka in the constituency. In the politically fragile Bellary, the BJP has brought-back B Sriramulu, who hardly enjoys support of the local leaders. "There is too much of confusion and misgivings among the party workers of the BJP at the grassroots level. It is clear that the party has taken a risk in six constituencies by angering the local leaders. Towards the end, if they forget their differences and work in favour of the BJP, the party may win in 15-16 segments. But if the BJP does not get its act together, it will be an average performance by the BJP in Karnataka,” Political historian A Veerappa said. Read more at: http://www.firstpost.com/politics/how-the-bjps-choice-of-candidates-in-karnataka-may-dent-modis-dream-1441311.html?utm_source=ref_article

[JaiRamesh2]

It seems Smriti Irani will contest from Amethi vs Rahul Gandhi. I just hope Kumar Vishwas doesn't withdraw last minute like his fellow party men up against strong Congi candidates BJP needs as many AAP candidates contesting especially against strong Congress candidates. And which AAP contesting vs Sonia Gandhi :hmmm:

AAP candidate pitted against Salman Khurshid quits http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/aap-candidate-pitted-against-salman-khurshid-quits/article5854880.ece AAP candidate withdraws at last minute in Ajmer (Sachin Pilot is Congi boy here) http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/lok-sabha-elections-2014/news/AAP-candidate-withdraws-at-last-minute-in-Ajmer/articleshow/32990012.cms

[Crookbond]

How many ‘clean chits’ for Modi? http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/indiaatlse/2014/03/26/how-many-clean-chits-for-modi/#more-2405

On three occasions – one each in 2011, 2012 and 2013 – the Supreme Court of India has supposedly absolved Narendra Modi, the Chief Minister of Gujarat and the BJP’s prime ministerial candidate in the upcoming elections, of culpability in Gujarat’s communal riots of 2002. But a case against Modi has never been registered in the Supreme Court. So how has the court given him a ‘clean chit’ without being asked to adjudicate the matter? And on what basis does Modi claim a clear conscience with regard to the 2002 violence in Gujarat? A clean chit for what? The question the Indian courts are considering is whether there is prosecutable evidence against Modi to establish criminal liability for his role in the 2002 riots in Gujarat, which claimed the lives of more than 2,000 people and made 200,000 people, mainly Muslims, homeless. There are allegations that Modi masterminded the riots; more specifically, he is accused of the following: allowing the charred bodies of 54 Hindu victims of the Godhra train fire to be paraded in the streets of Ahmedabad supporting a Gujarat bandh (closure) announced by the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP), a Hindu fundamentalist organisation, thereby facilitating riots directing senior police officers not to interfere if Hindus sought revenge placing two cabinet colleagues in the police control rooms to ensure compliance with his directives penalising upright police officers and rewarding compliant ones appointing partisan public prosecutors berated by the Supreme Court for “acting like defence counsel” The Supreme Court in 2008 appointed a Special Investigation Team (SIT) to look into nine riot cases, removing them from courts in Gujarat. A year later, the Supreme Court asked the SIT to investigate a criminal complaint against Modi, filed by Zakia Jafri in 2006. The Gujarat police had done nothing about the complaint, so Zakia had filed a case in the Gujarat High Court to get the police to act on the complaint. When the High Court rejected this, Zakia referred the matter on to the Supreme Court. Modi’s three so-called ‘clean chits’ from the Supreme Court relate to this case. Zakia is the widow of Ehsan Jafri, a former MP and state Congress Party member, living in Gulberg Housing Society in Ahmedabad. When news of the slaughter of Muslims following the Godhra train fire in 2002 started trickling through, scores of frightened Muslim neighbours gathered in the Jafris’ home believing that Ehsan’s connections would help ensure their safety. As a violent mob advanced on Gulberg, Ehsan made repeated phone calls to the police and political authorities – in Ahmedabad, Delhi, and even to Modi himself – pleading for help. But none came, even though police were present in the area. Eventually Ehsan and 68 others were massacred, many of them burnt alive. According to eye witnesses, Ehsan’s severed head was hoisted on a trident. The SIT investigating Zakia’s complaint ran into difficulties. First, the Supreme Court had to drop two of its officers as they were found to be untrustworthy. Then, in 2010, the special public prosecutor working with the SIT resigned, saying by way of explanation that “I am collecting witnesses who know something about a gruesome case in which so many people, mostly women and children huddled in Jafri’s house, were killed and I get no cooperation. The SIT officers are unsympathetic towards witnesses, they try to browbeat them and don’t share evidence with the prosecution as they are supposed to do.” After all this, when the SIT filed its interim report, the Supreme Court took the unusual step of asking an eminent advocate, Raju Ramchandran, who was already appointed as an Amicus Curiae (friend of the court), to assist in this critical case and visit Gujarat, independently assess the evidence generated and meet with witnesses directly. According to the law, once the investigation is over, the Supreme Court stops monitoring and asks the Investigating Agency to file a report before a Magistrate who decides whether there is a case for prosecuting any of the accused. On 12 September 2011, after reviewing Ramchandran’s final report of July 2011, the Supreme Court ordered the SIT to further investigate in the light of the Amicus Curiae’s contrary findings and thereafter file a final report in front of a Magistrate. The fact that the Supreme Court was not going to monitor investigations any more led Modi to claim his first clean chit even though the SIT’s final report had yet to be filed at this stage. So there was clearly no question of a clean chit from anyone at this stage. Moreover, the Supreme Court had also stated in the same order that in case the SIT decides in its final report not to prosecute someone, the Magistrate should hear Zakia before making a decision. One clean and one not so clean chit The conclusions drawn by the SIT in its final closure report filed on 8 February 2012 were not only different from those drawn by Ramachandran, but also from its own interim reports. In its watered down final report, the SIT concluded that there was not enough prosecutable evidence to bring charges against Modi. This led Modi and his supporters to make a new claim of having received a ‘clean chit’ by the SIT, a Supreme Court-appointed investigative body. True, but Ramachandran, who is also a court-appointed investigator, disagreed with the SIT’s conclusion. The most important point of difference was whether to believe the testimony of Bhatt, a serving police officer, who had stated that he was present at a meeting where Modi asked those present to permit Hindus to vent their anger. The SIT decided that Bhatt’s testimony was unreliable and that in its absence there was not enough prosecutable evidence against Modi. However, Ramachandran took the view that “it would not be correct to disbelieve Bhatt at this prima facie stage” and that Bhatt should be cross-examined in a trial to determine whether or not he was telling the truth. It is worth noting here that both the SIT and the Amicus Curiae have only an advisory role—neither conveys the view of the Supreme Court. Had the SIT concluded that there was prosecutable evidence against Modi, it would not have meant that Modi was guilty; it would have merely made his prosecution more likely. The case against Modi is ongoing Zakia filed a protest petition against SIT’s clean chit in a Gujarat Magistrate’s Court, which decided on 26 December 2013 that the SIT had come to the right conclusion and that Modi should not be charge-sheeted. Once again, Modi and his supporters distorted the outcome to proclaim a third ‘clean chit’. On 18 March, Zakia approached the Gujarat High Court challenging the Ahmedabad Metropolitan court. This may yet lead to another ‘clean chit’ claim. Eventually the appeal will reach the Supreme Court, which will decide whether a case should go ahead under the existing criminal law in India. And therein lies the rub. Under the existing criminal law in India, it is unlikely that Modi would be found guilty of any of the charges brought against him. Prevailing Indian Criminal Law requires proof that the accused carried out, or directly conspired to carry out, the crime. This is distinct from International Criminal Law, under which a head of state who could have prevented a crime, but chose not to, can be found guilty. In this context, Modi might have been better off if Zakia’s case had gone to the courts in the first instance—by now he might have had a truly clean chit.

[scorpio90]

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/black-money-foreign-banks-stock-brokers-gold-smuggling-hawala-lok-sabha-elections/1/352192.html

If stock brokers and central agencies tracking the flow of black money are to be believed, crores of rupees have already returned to India, via the stock market, gold smuggling and hawala transactions. "The black money that has returned in the last one-two years is for two purposes. First, for election activities and second is the fear that if BJPs Narendra Modi comes to power, he might come out with a stringent law to bring the money back. So instead of waiting that to happen, stashed money has started flowing in," said Suniil Pachisia, vice-president, Pratibhuti Viniyog Ltd. One estimate says Rs.1,500 to Rs.5,000 crore may have returned to India in the last few months.

[Precambrian]

Amazing! Read somewhere that a few ships were docked and inspected for this. Anti Modistas can continue to live in denial and hold on to their 2002 lies and delusions. Its been 12 years, and 12 years of solid governance which they are wilfully blind to.

[Precambrian]

How many ‘clean chits’ for Modi? http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/indiaatlse/2014/03/26/how-many-clean-chits-for-modi/#more-2405

Prevailing Indian Criminal Law requires proof that the accused carried out, or directly conspired to carry out, the crime. This is distinct from International Criminal Law, under which a head of state who could have prevented a crime, but chose not to, can be found guilty.

Says who? Which is this "international" law? And does the author knows anything about Section 107 of the IPC? What a joke of an article!

[Precambrian]

Besides the author is a number one Anti Modista below is a letter written by him moaning about decision to invite Modi to UK. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/19/british-mps-whitewash-narendra-modi