The Narendra Modi thread

[FischerTal]

^ need to bring in strong reforms in budget session, especially GST and end retrospective tax

[seedhi]

Wrong - international crude oil prices almost exclusively completely dictate petrol prices.

Completely and utterly wrong. India imposes customs duty on crude oil imports, and excise duty on petrol production. The state government impose sales tax as well. All these taxes and duties (controlled by the govt) along with the international crude oil price determine the price we pay at the pump. An old article reflecting this:

38 per cent of new petrol price reflects central, state taxes http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-38-per-cent-of-new-petrol-price-reflects-central-state-taxes-1609293

[seedhi]

I don't see him accepting that it was "an error" either. He moves on to make another "convenient error".

So now you are changing goalposts. You earlier standard was the repeats the same error again and again.

And if he repeats the same "factual errors" again and again' date= in my books he is doing it intentionally.

[Khalpat]

Fear factor gone, post-Modi Gujarat turns communal again http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Fear-factor-gone-post-Modi-Gujarat-turns-communal-again/articleshow/44655367.cms

After Modi's flight to New Delhi five months ago, the fear factor is gone. Goons and bootleggers are toying around with Gujarat police, often attacking them in public. Communal violence has resurfaced in recent months and clashes have been reported in Vadodara, Ahmedabad, Bhavnagar and other places. Almost as if the rule of law is gone, the men in khakhi are at the receiving end with criminals mounting brazen attacks on police in Ahmedabad, Vadodara and most recently in Dabhel in south Gujarat where three policemen were injured in a mob attack on Tuesday. This came close on the heels of the Eid incident at Shahpur in Ahmedabad, where the mob snatched a pistol from a police sub-inspector and allegedly tried to lynch him. In Vadodara, where sporadic mob violence has been reported in recent weeks, cops were openly targeted. Only recently, a gang of bootleggers thrashed cops when they raided a den in Gomtipur, Ahmedabad. Senior officials blame the loss of respect for the law on a leadership crisis at the state and city level. Rapid reaction cells, which exist in every range, remain inactive. Local crime branches and vigilance squads of DGP office are also dormant. Top-level politics between senior IPS officers at key posts is also a reason behind the worsening situation, believe many.

The problem is that as soon as you will be strict with these basterds , media will label you as hitler, encounter king. The label which Shah is still carrying with him. Modi should have left Amit Shah in Gujarat itself to deal with these gangs.

[Crookbond]

Completely and utterly wrong. India imposes customs duty on crude oil imports' date=' and excise duty on petrol production. The state government impose sales tax as well. All these taxes and duties (controlled by the govt) along with the international crude oil price determine the price we pay at the pump. An old article reflecting this:[/quote'] Then, you need to tell us how the central/state govt taxes were changed so that petrol prices have reduced. From my understanding, they are the same - there is just one factor which has changed which is obvious to see.

[Crookbond]

So now you are changing goalposts. You earlier standard was the repeats the same error again and again.

I may not have been clear. I meant if he keeps on making "factual errors" repeatedly, albeit different he's indulging in demagoguery. Also, never seen him correct these "factual errors" either. Just moves on to make another one.

[seedhi]

I may not have been clear. I meant if he keeps on making "factual errors" repeatedly' date=' albeit different he's indulging in demagoguery. Also, never seen him correct these "factual errors" either. Just moves on to make another one.[/quote']Your condition was that he repeats the same error again and again. At least read what you wrote.

[seedhi]

Then' date=' you need to tell us how the central/state govt taxes were changed so that petrol prices have reduced. From my understanding, they are the same - there is just one factor which has changed which is obvious to see.[/quote']Firstly, you need to tell me how you wrote that the international oil prices almost exclusively dictate the price of petrol. About your question, it was decided by the government to pass on the benefit to the consumer, instead of taxing and raising revenue which could have been used to bridge the deficit (for which the govt is responsible as well). The government can claim credit for that. By the way, Modi said that since his govt came into office, petrol prices have come down. That is a completely factual, measurable and verifiable statement.

[Crookbond]

Your condition was that he repeats the same error again and again. At least read what you wrote. When I asked whether he is repeating the same error again and again, you change your criterion.

Hence I said, I wasn't clear. Of course, that is not what I meant which I clarified - I am human and make mistakes. You can either stick to me making mistakes or talking about the thing that Modi makes multiple "factual errors", never owns up to it and then moves on to make some other ones. A part which you want to distract from - earlier you piggybacked on Kejriwal, then you are shifting the "real goalpost" to what I said (which I accepted was an error) rather than what I meant (which isn't an anomaly in online communication).

[Crookbond]

Firstly, you need to tell me how you wrote that the international oil prices almost exclusively dictate the price of petrol. About your question,it was decided by the government to pass on the benefit to the consumer, instead of taxing and raising revenue which could have been used to bridge the deficit (for which the govt is responsible as well). The government can claim credit for that.

I am not aware of any change in tax on oil prices since Modi govt came into power. Considering 62% of petrol price doesn't reflect ANY tax and central taxes are quite low (DNA article link). Therefore, ~ 80+% of the petrol price is not in the hands of the central govt and these taxes are flat rates. They don't change and this policy was made by the UPA govt. Moreover, the petrol prices in India have high correlations with international crude oil prices. It doesn't take much to see how/why petrol prices have decreased and who should take credit.

By the way, Modi said that since his govt came into office, petrol prices have come down. That is a completely factual, measurable and verifiable statement.

Heads up - I am not interested in debate scoring points or ICF$.

[Precambrian]

So yet another klpd for people who were making fun of Modi using Mohanlal instead of Mohandas.

[seedhi]

Hence I said' date=' [b']I wasn't clear. Of course, that is not what I meant which I clarified - I am human and make mistakes.

You were pretty clear up until the point I asked you for proof that Modi is repeating the same error again and again. This is what you wrote:

He confused alphabetical with numerical order. He keeps repeating it that is the problem. We don't know if he has taken task to.

and,

And if he repeats the same "factual errors" again and again' date= in my books he is doing it intentionally.

[someone]

Modiphobia continues – Decoding Left-lib biases What Rajdeep Sardesai did in front of the Madison Square Garden is something the root of which has been a public knowledge for years – that there is a class of so-called intellectuals, Left-liberals and “secular-minded” people who nurture a deep-rooted hatred for Narendra Modi and his supporters. Until this particular incident, the fact hadn’t manifested physically in such a glaring manner. I am using Rajdeep Sardesai as just an example to drive home a particular point. Examples like him are aplenty. They just don’t seem to be able to contain their hatred, their prejudice and their extreme aversion towards anything that makes Indians feel good about themselves. You immediately become the subject of derision in their eyes the moment you talk about religious pride, cultural heritage or reminisce about your glorious past. Take for instance this article in The Economist that went as far as calling Narendra Modi a “pain in the ass” but later on changed the text. The writer assumes that people who have moved to the US were previously living in hunger and with snakes. One’s screen overflows with racist prejudice when one reads this article. This FirstPost article talking disparagingly about how Narendra Modi publicly meets or treats his 95-year-old mother can easily be considered prime example of the gutter journalism such individuals are indulging in simply because they cannot control their bitterness. The environment has become so ridiculous that people like Hartosh Singh Bal are advising the US Administration to be wary of the Prime Minister of his own country. Their delusions stem from their hatred for Modi and everything that has to do with him, no matter how good those moves are for India. These ‘critics’ have always run an unrelenting propaganda against Narendra Modi but so far, the harangue was always centered around the post-Godhra riots in Gujarat 2002. Now they are even making personal attacks – on him, and the people who support him. Has something changed aside from the fact that they are going desperate by the day? Rajdeep’s case has fortunately received wide coverage on the Internet which was not the case with the articles linked above — these were only being circulated within particular circles. His entire manner of speaking, his body language, reeked of condescension and loathing. He repeatedly questioned the judgement of those who had gathered there to show their support for not just the PM of their homeland, but the country they have left behind under various compulsions. He questioned their judgement, their sense of right and wrong, their political leanings, he kept beating the dead horse of the Gujarat 2002 riots. When nothing seemed to work, he told them that although they had money, they had no class. Then he eventually came to blows with one of the persons in the crowd after calling him names. It was a no-holds-barred show of contempt for the representative of his own country. It was as if he had landed up in the US to run a parallel hate agenda. One wouldn’t be surprised if these people actually wished India-US negotiations to fall flat. There is a certain class of people who have ruled India (I’m purposely avoiding using “governed India” for obvious reasons) directly and indirectly. This is an elite class or rather, elitist class. It is a cabal of politicians, bureaucrats, Marxist intellectuals, power-brokers, crony scholars, former nobles and their descendants and hangers-on who have somehow stumbled into this elite class. This class thinks that it is born to rule physically as well as intellectually. They have deluded themselves into believing that their grandparents and great grandparents related more to their colonial rulers rather than the backward aboriginals. They are the quintessential Macaulay putras and putris. They assume that their writ should run large. They are driven out of their wits when the hoi polloi seem to have an opinion. For them, they exist in an India of haves and have-nots and most of these elite class people believe that they have a right to belong to the “haves” class. As Karl Marx famously said, religion is the opium of the people. This elite class has used the lofty concepts of socialism, secularism, plurality and welfarism as their opium. They have no love for the common people of the country. The common people of the country are to be tolerated because, well, there is no other option. The teeming millions are everywhere and the wheels of the economy that support this elitist class are fuelled by these teeming millions who are indispensable and loathsome at the same time. The appearance of Narendra Modi and his supporters has disrupted the cabal of this elitist class. Not just disrupted, the castles of deceit that they had constructed are being dismantled brick by brick, wall by wall. This has rattled them completely. How can someone who doesn’t speak English, who hasn’t studied in Oxford, Cambridge or Harvard, someone who hasn’t descended from a ruling or a noble family tell us how to rule the country and behave with the rest of the world? How can someone representing the cultural and religious values of those loathsome teeming millions reside in the same power corridors that seem to be the birthright of this elitist class, irrespective of whether it deserves it or not? How can someone like that lecture them on the virtues of cleanliness when they have striven so long to keep the masses buried in as much filth as possible? Worse, he wears his religion on his sleeve, unapologetically and without the burden of secular hypocrisy — the very religion this elitist class has derided, demeaned and apologised for for decades and for generations. Through networking, unrelenting subservience, sycophancy and self-serving activities the sustainable ecosystem that they had created is imploding. Things used to be easy. You didn’t have to make much effort in order to become an “eminent” intellectual or historian. You could simply play one community against another and reap great political dividends. You could become a ‘scholar’ simply by rehashing existing rehashed works of similar ‘scholars’. You could do “stellar” work in journalism by simply pretending to be a journalist. Nobody questioned you. Even if somebody wanted to question you, he or she was devoid of a platform and was immediately declared a pariah. Even Arun Shourie was forced to self publish books as no one published them. The ivory tower had so far kept you and your class on cloud nine. Although there hasn’t been a significant revolution, everything is changing. Connections don’t seem to work. People are demanding performance and merit. Mediocrity is being looked down upon. Accountability is not an exception but a rule. You are respected not because of who you are or who your parents were, but for what you do and what you deliver. Worse, the teeming millions who were supposed to wallow perpetually in dirt and disease-ridden streets are suddenly talking about a clean and proud country. They are daring to build world class cities rather than cities that can just be compared to Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka. Even a city as unhygienic as Varanasi is now vying to become another Kyoto! They are aspiring to re-invoke the glorious past. The socialist mentality is being lampooned. The welfare schemes that made this elitist class prosperous are being withdrawn one by one. The laws that harassed the public and kept the corrupt elitist class out of jail are rapidly being trashed or changed to reverse the travesty. They are shocked that everything is being undone right in front of their eyes and they cannot do anything about it. The hatred that was confined to the so-called scholarly interactions, newspaper editorials and TV studio discussions, rum-ridden evening soirees, divisive politics and intellectual legerdemains, is now spilling out on the roads in the form of the Madison Square Rajdeep fiasco and interminable left-liberal fulmination and abuse on the Internet. The personal attacks have increased and that too from not just obscure writers and journalists, but also well-known personalities and a big reason could be that they want a backlash. This is a fetish prevalent among the Left-libs. So far, they have been following this policy with the so-called Internet Hindus. Say something totally outrageous and when people criticise you, mope around and complain about how you are being victimised. The elitist class that was nurtured and encouraged by the British is now nurtured and encouraged by various international agencies continuously working to create frictions among various Indian communities. This class is proudly rootless and is marked by self-loathing. It knows the country’s real history but denounces it vociferously. Physical slavery is easier to overcome than mental slavery, which may take generations. It is the sort of slavery this elitist class perpetuates. The breaking of mental shackles disturbs them deeply. The rise of Narendra Modi is a sign of the beginning of the end for this elitist class as it exists today. This sense of ending is what manifests in the form of the hatred towards him and the ones who support him. http://www.niticentral.com/2014/10/05/modiphobia-continues-decoding-left-lib-biases-239911.html

Nice article, sums up what is a confused and desperate opposition.

[Crookbond]

You were pretty clear up until the point I asked you for proof that Modi is repeating the same error again and again. This is what you wrote: and,

The "He keeps repeating" was wrote to Khalpat which I clarified even when you asked in Post#7959 that it wasn't. Past that, I have clarified multiple times - but that apparently doesn't satiate you. Once again I clarify, that isn't what I meant. Meanwhile, you continue to conveniently overlook on Modi continuing to make errors - not apologize and then move to make another error.

[Texan]

Narendra Modi puts curbs on secretaries’ foreign trips Just as they are getting used to early mornings at work and no time-out at Delhi's plush golf courses, top government officials have now lost another perk of the job - frequent foreign travel.Prime Minister Narendra Modi has decided that secretaries must only travel outside the capital if their junior officers are not likely to be able to accomplish the trip's objective on their own. At the same time, the Prime Minister's Office has freed itself from the bother of keeping track of all CMs and state ministers' foreign travels, but has asked the foreign ministry to monitor whether approved state government foreign jaunts actually materialise. For top officers, however, the need to be part of a delegation led by their respective ministers would no longer be an acceptable reason for taking off from the capital, even for domestic travel. "Prime Minister has, in the context of a proposal for deputation abroad, observed that the 'foreign as well as domestic tours of the secretaries should be planned only if the joint secretary or additional secretary level officers are not likely to address the needs," Cabinet Secretary Ajit Seth has said in a communique to secretaries of all government departments dispatched on September 26. Seth has asked officials to ensure strict compliance of the Prime Minister's views while considering any proposal involving 'domestic and foreign tours, including as part of a delegation led by the minister concerned.' This is the third round of tightening of the rules involving foreign trips by officials and ministers since the Modi government took charge on May 26. In mid-June, ministers and officials were told to submit their proposals for overseas travel to the PMO 10 days ahead before they fly out. This was aimed at giving the PMO some time to scrutinize the purpose and relevance of the trip in question, as the earlier window of five days meant most ministries sent in requests in the nick of time. For every subsequent trip, ministers and officials are now required to put on record what they have implemented from their learning on their earlier foreign visit - an additional requirement imposed by Modi on top of the traditional tour report officials submitted after every overseas outing. An 'immediate outcome' report also needs to be furnished at the culmination of every official visit abroad. This is in sharp contrast from the practice under the UPA government when ministers simply submitted tour reports and "information regarding the funding" of their previous trip. Separately, the PMO has eased the rules that required state CMs and ministers of states governments to keep it in the loop about all their overseas trips.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Narendra-Modi-puts-curbs-on-secretaries-foreign-trips/articleshow/44783758.cms

[Sachin=GOD]

So the joint secretary or additional secretary level officers would go on foreign trips with Ministers but the Secretaries would miss out. Thats gotta cause lots of heartburn for top level Babus...

[seedhi]

So the joint secretary or additional secretary level officers would go on foreign trips with Ministers but the Secretaries would miss out. Thats gotta cause lots of heartburn for top level Babus...

Actually this is good. Usually joint secretaries and additional secretaries have some years left for retirement, but secretaries don't. So it is much more useful for the former to go learn something which they have time to implement. What is the point of a secretary going on a study tour when he/she is retiring in the next 6 months?

[seedhi]

The "He keeps repeating" was wrote to Khalpat which I clarified even when you asked in Post#7959 that it wasn't. Past that' date=' [b']I have clarified multiple times - but that apparently doesn't satiate you. Once again I clarify, that isn't what I meant. Meanwhile, you continue to conveniently overlook on Modi continuing to make errors - not apologize and then move to make another error.

You "clarification" came only after I asked you for proof that Modi is repeating the same error again and again. You were not clarifying but back-tracking. You had claimed twice that he is repeating the same error:

He confused alphabetical with numerical order. He keeps repeating it that is the problem. We don't know if he has taken task to.

and,

And if he repeats the same "factual errors" again and again' date= in my books he is doing it intentionally.

[Crookbond]

You "clarification" came only after I asked you for proof that Modi is repeating the same error again and again. You were not clarifying but back-tracking. You had claimed twice that he is repeating the same error: and,

The "He keeps repeating" was wrote to Khalpat which I clarified even when you asked in Post#7959 that it wasn't. Past that, I have clarified multiple times - but that apparently doesn't satiate you. Once again I clarify, that isn't what I meant. Meanwhile, you continue to conveniently overlook on Modi continuing to make errors - not apologize and then move to make another error.

[seedhi]

The "He keeps repeating" was wrote to Khalpat which I clarified even when you asked in Post#7959 that it wasn't. Past that' date=' I have clarified multiple times - but that apparently doesn't satiate you. Once again I clarify, that isn't what I meant. Meanwhile, you continue to conveniently overlook on Modi continuing to make errors - not apologize and then move to make another error.[/quote']You "clarification" came only after I asked you for proof that Modi is repeating the same error again and again. You were not clarifying but back-tracking. You had claimed twice that he is repeating the same error: and,