The Narendra Modi thread

[surajmal]

Surajmal' date=' why I'm getting little hint of fascism in your posts...[/quote'] Why/How do people think India will develop by walking the humanitarian road when it has never been done before? (and cutting through the bullshit isn't fascism)

[Crookbond]

Minimal resources. Too many mouths to feed. Sacrifices are going to have to be made. Hard decisions will have to be taken. You can say that I'm being disingenuous since I don't have the worry about the things that majority of the country worries about daily. But that is precisely why it is going to take someone who is not myopic and selfish. If someone (preferably the leader of the country) could explain the bottom line to these people that If I take step A, your misery (on a scale of 1 to 10) would drop to 8 from 10 (and even that maybe unlikely) while your kids will be on their own. However, If I take step 2, your misery will remain at 10 but your kids' may drop to 5 or further below, I guarantee you that 9/10 will go with Step 2.

The question I would like to ask is - who are these people who would be sacrificed and why are they "chosen".

[surajmal]

The question I would like to ask is - who are these people who would be sacrificed and why are they "chosen".

I meant economic sacrifices.:winky:

[The Outsider]

Chairman Strawman aapka swaagat hai.

I presented a quote from the person you claim is going to transform us from jaahils into civilized. Care to explain how that is a strawman?

[Crookbond]

I meant economic sacrifices.:winky:

It is still a bit vague and I can not get it. Did you mean reduction of "freebies"? If so, on what basic will/should the reduction take place.

[surajmal]

I presented a quote from the person you claim is going to transform us from jaahils into civilized. Care to explain how that is a strawman?

No, you presented a quote via a media that is known for a selective bias. Check the original video. Regardless, considering Gujarat has shown the most improvement (%wise) in malnutrition during his term, your point is pointless.

[The Outsider]

No, you presented a quote via a media that is known for a selective bias. Check the original video. Regardless, considering Gujarat has shown the most improvement (%wise) in malnutrition during his term, your point is pointless.

Now that's a strawman.

[surajmal]

It is still a bit vague and I can not get it. Did you mean reduction of "freebies"? If so' date=' on what basic will/should the reduction take place.[/quote'] It isn't vague. Frankly, don't you think debating criteria is a bit silly? Lets leave that for the professionals.

[Crookbond]

It isn't vague. Frankly' date=' don't you think debating criteria is a bit silly? Lets leave that for the professionals.[/quote'] Well, if that's your opinion then I have no choice, do I? :winky: In any case, I think I agree with your goal(s) but do not necessarily agree with your means. :two_thumbs_up:

[Mariyam]

I'm not banking on an Indian Spring' date=' rather the size of the middle class reaching a critical size (in addition to urbanization). That is the only way the muslim ghettos and the rural vote can be marginalized.[/quote'] Tangential to the topic as it is, how much is this chimeric 'critical mass'? By some accounts, the Indian middle class is already at the 25-30 crore mark. Even if the size (and quality of life) of the middle class were to increase, how would that marginalize rural vote? Middle class localities ( mostly from metros) have some of the lowest voter turnouts in the country. And why make the assumption that the middle class is a monolithic entity with one political agenda. Far from it. I will grant you one thing though, our polity will be a lot more economics/ inflation focused should we have an active middle class involvement in politics, than focused on the various emotional/ religious issues and non issues that it is now.

[Sachin=GOD]

@Surajmal - you are talking of people being asked to make a sacrifice. First name one Party/Leader in this country who will make such a decision where a large number of people have to sacrifice. Then, suppose somehow there is a party which comes to power at the Centre and makes such a decision, here's what the opposition (and by opposition I mean any & every party which is not in power, be it BJP or Cong or SP or DMK etc) will say to the public - "the party in power is asking you to sacrifice today so that things may get better for your kids in 20 years but for your entire life you have done nothing but sacrifice and now they are telling you to sacrifice even more for some empty promises they are making about something which may or may not happen 20 years from now. Do not believe in them as they are just trying to take advantage of you......" - they'll say things like these and this will be more than enough to make the party in power lose easily. (BTW I do not agree with the methods you have proposed.) IMO the parties/leaders have to realize that there are certain constraints (be it coalition politics, caste based politics, exploitation of minorities for political gains, fickle minded allies and an opposition which will oppose for the sake of it etc) and the reality of the system is that whether you like it or not, in order to implement your development agenda you have to work within these constraints otherwise all your ideas of development will be mere daydreams.

[Sachin=GOD]

Now there are rumors that he will contest form 2 seats - one in Gujarat and other in Eastern UP - seems likely.

[FischerTal]

Now there are rumors that he will contest form 2 seats - one in Gujarat and other in Eastern UP - seems likely.

he's gonna contest from Varanasi and Ahmedabad West/East most likely

[FischerTal]

Why Varanasi might be the perfect constituency for Modi There are two things working for the BJP in the run-up to the 2014 Lok Sabha elections – the first is the ripple effect of the many blunders of the Congress that is pushing allies and voters away. The second, obviously, is Narendra Modi. If people are tempted to vote for the BJP, it would be because they are fed up of the Congress or they have implicit faith in Modi. At present, BJP’s electoral fortunes seem to be revolving around an axis called Narendra Modi. So it is only fair that the party decides to pitch Modi as a candidate from Uttar Pradesh – the state with 80 seats, the most in the Lok Sabha. A look at BJP’s performance graph in Uttar Pradesh confirms that the party has been on a steady decline after the late nineties when it held sway over more than half of the constituencies. According to an agency report, the party had won 52 seats in 1996 and 57 seats in 1998 of the 85 that were there. In 2004, the party managed to bag not more than 10 seats out of the 80. Following that, the state has kept to vacillating between Mulayam Singh Yadav‘s Samajwadi Party (SP) and Mayawati‘s Bahujan Samaj Party (BSP). Latest reports suggest that the BJP will ask veteran leader Murli Manohar Joshi to make way for Modi, who will then contest from one of the biggest constituencies of Uttar Pradesh – Varanasi. The Economic Times reports: Confirming the choice of the holiest of cities for Hindus, after months of speculation over constituencies, including Lucknow and Allahabad, a senior leader said the Gujarat chief minister was willing to step out of his comfort zone to make a larger impact by contesting from the most populous state of Uttar Pradesh, which accounts for 80 Lok Sabha seats. Like Mark Tully points out in this BBC Worldwide article, the national elections in India are least ‘national’ in character. If you examine the pattern of voting in individual states, we’ll find that each state votes with its own agenda in mind and has no or a very vague uniform political and developmental vision for the entire country. This idea can be further bolstered by the fact that most Indian governments in the recent times have been coalition governments with regional parties sitting on a large number of votes. The ascendancy of regional parties in the national political narrative of India can be attributed to the fact that electorates in individual states find it easier to put their faith on regional leaders and their vision the states’ role in India’s economic, social and political discourses. The rise of Mamata Banerjee, the Yadavs, DMK, JD(U) and the AIDMK in India’s political horizon has been propped on aggressive localised political campaigning. Except for the AIDMK, all the other regional parties with important vote shares are either Congress allies or are in two minds about backing the BJP. With the JD(U) snapping ties with the party, the BJP has its challenge quite clearly fleshed out – the only way it can oust the Congress is by starting a pan-Indian political dialogue that will coerce voters to think beyond the demands of their own states and vote for the party. And the only person who can start and propel a discourse of that dimension and magnitude is Narendra Modi. No other BJP leader invokes the kind of political opinions that Modi does. In more simplified terms, most other BJP leaders are bland in comparison to Modi’s riotous appeal. Modi is sharply aware of this responsibility too. Tully writes in his piece: Mr Modi has already shown that he realises he must convince the electorate that general elections are about national issues, and that the national leader is able to make a difference to their lives. This is why he is presenting himself as “vikas purush” (development man) and selling himself on his reputation for having brought development to Gujarat. And if he is to contest from Uttar Pradesh, Varanasi is a city that makes for a perfect choice. Like this article in BusinessLine points out, Modi indeed would be trying hard to rid himself of the accusations of communal divisiveness that the Gujarat riots have bestowed him with. However, if the social media dialogue is anything to go by, to one section of prospective voters, the intensity of allegations levelled him have automatically given Modi’s political persona a twist of victimhood. His supporters can, and they do, argue that the UPA and his detractors have systemically victimised the Gujarat CM despite his best efforts to push development and economy in his state. With the such sharp communal battle lines dominating the elections, Varanasi, a Hindu pilgrimage site is stellar choice of a constituency. While neither the party, nor Modi will spell it out, voters will find his choice of the Hindu holy city as deeply symbolic. People whose votes will be driven by issues of religious community pride, will find will be taken in immediately. It helps that of the few seats that the BJP still has in the state, Varanasi is one, Murli Manohar Joshi, senior BJP leader and RSS idealogue already holds that seat. Assured of a victory in his own seat, Modi can then steer the campaign in the other parts of the state. Also, a city like Lucknow, with a greater percentage of Muslim population will not be conducive of a strong campaign which focuses on the Congress’ dubious claims of secularism. Given that caste still dictates politics in the state, Modi’s OBC status can be played up when required to trump Mayawati‘s caste politicking. MR Subramani observes in The Hindu: “So BJP which ended third in Uttar Pradesh could even win most of the seats in the northern State since Modi is likely to cut through factors such as caste or other things.” However, like Tully observes, it will be a ‘tightrope’ for Modi: On one side, if he does not pay sufficient attention to Hindu issues, he could lose his political base. On the other side, he will not be considered a national leader if he is too closely identified with issues that have been shown to have only a comparatively narrow appeal. One of the strongest criticism against Modi has been the argument that his vision is myopic and stays restricted to Gujarat. Also, as a national leader, his focus might remain on just Gujarat. Moving out of his comfort zone and taking interest in the issues of another state known for its abysmal infrastructure will then be a statement that can swing unsure voters back on the BJP’s side. It’s a state where his development stance might hit the right chords along with his party’s position on religion.

Source: http://www.firstpost.com/politics/why-varanasi-might-be-the-perfect-constituency-for-modi-927421.html

[Sachin=GOD]

he's gonna contest from Varanasi and Ahmedabad West/East most likely

Gandhinagar bhi toh khaali karwa rahe ho Advani ji se - the Dear leader won't contest from there? :--D

[FischerTal]

Gandhinagar bhi toh khaali karwa rahe ho Advani ji se - the Dear leader won't contest from there? :--D

Advani Ji kon birthday present gift karna padega warna phir se resignation ka natak karenge :--D

[Sachin=GOD]

Advani Ji kon birthday present gift karna padega warna phir se resignation ka natak karenge :--D

toh kya Advani Ji ko Birthday present mein Prime Ministership gift milegi :woot:

[FischerTal]

toh kya Advani Ji ko Birthday present mein Prime Ministership gift milegi :woot:

Deputy PM denge unhe :giggle: he's used to that job :giggle:

[Sachin=GOD]

Deputy PM denge unhe :giggle: he's used to that job :giggle:

dektey hain :ohyeah:

[bulbul]

dektey hain :ohyeah:

S=G , time to accept, Advani era is over :winky: