2012 : Changes to domestic cricket approved

[diga]

In a significant change, Ranji matches will be played at neutral venues from next season... Now if they change the points system to encourage more attacking style of play(as in Aus/Eng), that would be Sone pe Suhaga http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/current/story/553240.html ps: please merge to relevant domestics thread

[Sooda]

So attendance to matches will reduce further still?? To nothing I presume. The principle is a good one, but just create more result oriented picthes to get results, is there not a Pitches Committee? Surely that can be part of their job

[Stuge]

Their point system still sucks .they seriously need to fix it up as well .

[BeautifulGame]

Points system, pitches in Chopra's paper BCCI technical panel to discuss suggestions on Friday The BCCI's technical committee is set to meet on Friday to discuss a number of issues surrounding the domestic game in India, including the merit of playing the Ranji Trophy quarter- and semi-finals over four days, and hosting all Ranji games at neutral venues. In what could been seen as another positive step, the board asked the veteran domestic cricketer and former India opener Aakash Chopra to send in a paper with his suggestions and recommendations to improve domestic cricket. The paper will be presented at Friday's meeting in Mumbai, chaired by former India captain Sourav Ganguly. The idea to pick Chopra's mind came from Ratnakar Shetty, the BCCI chief administrative officer. An avid reader, Shetty was impressed by Chopra's writings over the years in various media outlets, including ESPNcricinfo. But last November, when Rajasthan (the team Chopra represents as a professional) came to play in Mumbai during the Ranji Trophy league phase, Shetty suggested to him that a better forum would be to write directly to the board's technical committee. "Because the decisions are taken by them," Shetty explained, while speaking to ESPNcricinfo. "I told him since he was still playing his points would prove useful." Chopra finally sent in his paper earlier this week. Chopra's paper is exhaustive with elaborate recommendations. Shetty said the points have been passed to the technical committee. "My paper is all about whatever is plaguing domestic cricket and it is quite comprehensive," Chopra told ESPNcricinfo. The key issues Chopra has raised are the points system currently points in place, the quality of pitches, and the role and relevance of tournaments like the Duleep Trophy. Chopra, who has always been blunt in his opinion pieces on domestic cricket, said that his paper stressed upon the solutions, too, without just harping about what ails the game. "If we can correct these things, the rest would take care of itself," Chopra said. "If you talk about pitches, everyone knows that we must produce lively and sporting tracks." Consequently, in a radical move, the board's working committee recommended that the league matches during the Ranji Trophy be played at neutral venues, drawing a mixed response from the players. Shetty said the technical committee would deliberate on the matter tomorrow. Chopra said that this scenario had been created only because the state associations refused to pay heed to the board's grounds and pitches committee's brief. "Unfortunately it is always about what suits their (individual states') players and what their position is during the league phase." A prime example of a bad pitch was January's Ranji final played in Chennai between Tamil Nadu and defending champions Rajasthan. Though Rajasthan won the title, Chopra agreed that the dead and slow pitch was a bad exhibition of the current state of affairs with regards to playing surfaces. "We had the head of the pitch committee and the south zone member on the pitch committee [present], and we were playing at a Test centre. All of them could do absolutely nothing." As a solution, Chopra has a better approach than playing at neutral venues: the grounds and pitches committee must be made accountable for each and every first-class ground in the country. "If you cannot monitor it successfully, the state association should be slapped with financial penalties for making highways." Chopra felt the current points system - that gives teams three points for securing the first-innings lead in drawn games - made for boring cricket and rewarded mediocrity. "We have to do away with the first-innings lead points. If it is retained the points accrued should be minuscule. It should not have a huge impact towards the end of the season." As a counter measure, Chopra felt it would be good to introduce points for batting and bowling as is the case in England. "Then there should be a huge bonus for an outright victory, both in terms of points as well as money." The monetary reward, Chopra stressed, would come into play during the knockouts where teams can't have the points system and they would rely on the first innings lead. "I am 100% certain that teams would go that extra yard because every cricketer likes to have his kitty full." Chopra was also concerned about the domestic calendar which kicks off in October and is choc-a-bloc with players participating in various tournaments till March before the IPL begins in early April. "The calendar is crowded and something needs to be done about it," he said. Several cricket watchers including Harsha Bhogle have suggested that the Ranji Trophy should abolish the Elite and Plate group format, and the number of teams should be brought down from the existing 27 to 12. "There is a radical thought that fewer teams would mean better competition," Chopra said. "That is true. But is it is possible within our system?" Chopra has said that since that is not "plausible" he has some suggestions where the BCCI could make the most of the 27 teams and how the competition would be a level-playing field. Chopra also endorsed the idea that knockout games should be played over five days. "My issue is that, in knockouts, a lead of one run cannot be a substantial differentiator between the quality of two sides," he explained. According to Chopra, in a four-day game there is no time to bounce back if the opponent takes a lead, no matter how marginal. "If you eliminate that by having a five-day game there is more time if you have the intent. And in knockouts teams definitely would like to make a match out of it but there needs to be a realistic chance in terms of time." http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/current/story/553847.html

[Ultimate_Game]

Hope someone takes action based on Chopra's paper and recommendations. Chopra came out as a very insightful person in his articles and he clearly knows what he's talking about. Plus the advantage is he has played at domestic and intl level. Positive development!

[saneindian]

Time for Dada to start leaving his footprints as a Tech Com head of the BCCI and make some sweeping changes to the way cricket is played in India. I hope the BCCI Sahara spat hasn't had an impact on Dada's stature in front of the BCCI babus.

[Chandan]

Worrying part is this:

"That is true. But is it is possible within our system?" Chopra has said that since that is not "plausible" he has some suggestions where the BCCI could make the most of the 27 teams and how the competition would be a level-playing field.

Does anyone know of an article where Chopra has discussed about the format and how how Ranji can still be competitive with 27 teams? If anyone remembers or finds the article, please post here. Meanwhile, Sanjay Jagdale, presently BCCI secretary and earlier a former junior and then senior national selector, has also given his views about how we can prop up the domestic cricket, keeping national cricket in mind. I think it is a good interview. We have to keep national interest in mind: Jagdale VIJAY LOKAPALLY If not at home, it is not difficult to trace Sanjay Jagdale. Playing tennis in the morning at the Yeshwant Club or looking after cricket affairs at the Holkar Stadium. Not long back, he would sweat it out at the Cricket Club of Indore, coaching youngsters, rolling the pitch, tending the ground. Nothing could keep him away from cricket. When he stopped playing, he took to coaching and then administration. A former junior and then senior National selector, and a Madhya Pradesh cricketer with 53 first-class outings, Jagdale, 61, is now committed to serving the game in a higher capacity. As Board Secretary, he wants to play the cricketer again. His decisions are influenced by his constant interactions with some of the game's greats and have begun to reflect in some innovative measures. “I am a cricketer at heart,” Jagdale declares. It explains his passion now to improve the standard of domestic cricket. Even if it means a sweeping move like conducting Ranji Trophy matches at neutral venues. And he has his reasons too. Tough call “It was a tough call but we want to ensure that the local association and the captain don't interfere with the preparation of the pitch. We have to stop thinking of local benefits and have national interest in mind. If we want to perform well overseas on seaming and bouncy pitches, the steps will have to be taken now. I want the juniors to play on such pitches. Look at the pitches we had at Valsad and here (for Duleep Trophy). Good for cricket. We have to get our priorities right. Please give us two years. We can always review the decision.” The Board is also launching a scheme to educate the curators. “This is being done on top priority,” Jagdale insisted. The support has come from former India captains Anil Kumble and Sourav Ganguly. The Board would also look at the possibility of introducing uncovered pitches to create an element of intrigue. “Unless our juniors learn to play on difficult pitches, they would struggle overseas. I won't blame them (juniors) if they have no experience of seaming and bouncy pitches. It is our duty to provide them the required grooming process.” According to Jagdale, the National Cricket Academy (NCA) is being restructured. “We want the juniors to train well. Only the contracted players and the India ‘A' and India under-19 players would train at NCA for skill enhancement. The rest will go to the zonal academies. We aim to groom the juniors well. If anyone drifts, we will take corrective measures.” Second to none Jagdale paints a rosy picture of Indian cricket. “Improvement of domestic cricket is vital to Indian cricket. We have to develop a second line and that can come only from a strong system. This bad time is a passing phase. We have the talent. But we need to be patient too. In the decade beginning 2000, India has won two World Cups, finished runner-up in one World Cup and become Test No 1 side. We must appreciate what the players have done. India has progressed a lot as a cricket nation in terms of achievements on the field and creating modern facilities in large number of places. We are second to none.” He also spoke of his mind on the appointment of non-Indians in the support staff. “We have to do what suits the team. There is lot of co-ordination involved and in any case it is a decision taken by a group. We have to consider aspects like man management, knowledge of the game, respect the coach would get from the team. It is not just about the skills factor.” Need for balance Jagdale admitted there was need to strike a balance in Test and other forms of the game. “You can't wish away T20. It is also a form of the game and is very popular. We have to accept it. It is a challenge for the players, coaches and administrators to preserve the traditions of the game and also embrace the modernisation. You don't have to necessarily flight the ball just because you are a spinner. The game has changed. There are more people watching and more and more cricketers playing now. I don't agree there is too much cricket. A player can always take a break. There are others waiting to replace him. In tennis, Nadal and Federer don't play all tournaments. They know their body and rest appropriately. Taking a break doesn't mean you lose your place.” At the end of this season, Jagdale has summoned a seminar of coaches and captains. “We have revived this idea. It is important to have their views on the conduct of the game and its technical aspects. The challenge for the modern day cricketer is to survive in all forms of the game.”

[rajmarie]

Well....lets see how this works out but knowing BCCI.....they are just doing these things to satisfy some sort of requirement....because what these technical commetties do is just study...& submit to BCCI their finding...whose idiots honoray members then make the final decision. In short...I expect BCCI to do nothing other then make knockout Ranji games a 5 day affair. If anything more I will be surprised

[Bhaveshgor]

at last BCCI changes domestic cricket struture bcci.tv/bcci/bccitv/index/viewarticle?article=/media/releases/content/4f3e3bf7613e8.htm MEDIA RELEASE The Technical Committee and Senior Tournament Committee of the BCCI met at the Cricket Centre earlier today. I. The Technical Committee made the following recommendations: A. The number of short-pitched deliveries permitted per over in domestic one-day tournaments to be increased from one to two. This will come into force in the inter-state one-day matches, starting 20 February 2012. B. The Ranji Trophy quarter-finals and semi-finals will be five-day games. C. The Ranji Trophy points system shall be as follows: Outright win 5 pts First innings lead but no outright win 3 pts Loss on first innings 1 pt Washout / weather interference with no first innings result 1 pt each Innings win / win by ten wickets 1 bonus pt Tie on first innings without outright result 1 pt each Tie on both innings 2 pts each Outright loss 0 pts 1st innings results not achieved without any weather interference 1 pt each D. If a first-innings result is not obtained at the end of the scheduled play in a knockout match, then the match will be extended into an additional day. If the first innings are not completed even on this additional day, then the winner will be decided by the spin of a coin. E. If a domestic match is played on a wicket that is ÃÖnderprepared in the opinion of the match officials, then two points will be deducted from the host associationÃÔ tally for the season. F. Floodlights will be used during Test matches, if required, wherever the facility exists. G. The use of Kookaburra balls to be continued in the Duleep Trophy. H. The senior domestic season to be rescheduled, and the tournaments to be played in the following order: Challenger Series for the NKP Salve Trophy Duleep Trophy Ranji Trophy Irani Cup Ranji champions vs Rest of India One-day tournaments: Vijay Hazare Trophy and Deodhar Trophy Domestic T20 I. The present Ranji Trophy format was discussed at length, and it was felt that the ælite-Plate format be continued. The recommendations made by the Technical Committee will have to be ratified by the Working Committee of the Board. II. The Senior Tournament Committee discussed the adverse reports received by the Board with regard to poor pitch conditions in the Ranji Trophy. The Committee had summoned representatives of the Hyderabad Cricket Association and the Railways Sport Promotion Board on the basis of reports submitted by match referees. After considering the reports and giving a hearing to the representatives of the concerned associations, the following recommendations were made: A. The Hyderabad CA was let off, after being warned that such an incident should not be repeated. B. The RSPB will not be able to host any BCCI match at the Karnail Singh Stadium, in the 2012-13 season. However, the association can suggest alternate venues for its home games. Matches could be played at the alternate venues, subject to the BCCIÃÔ approval. Sanjay Jagdale Hony. Secretary BCCI

[Bhaveshgor]

not allowed to post the link yet.

[saneindian]

The Technical Committee and Senior Tournament Committee of the BCCI met at the Cricket Centre earlier today. I.The Technical Committee made the following recommendations: A.The number of short-pitched deliveries permitted per over in domestic one-day tournaments to be increased from one to two. This will come into force in the inter-state one-day matches, starting 20 February 2012. B.The Ranji Trophy quarter-finals and semi-finals will be five-day games. C.The Ranji Trophy points system shall be as follows: Outright win 5 pts First innings lead but no outright win 3 pts Loss on first innings 1 pt Washout / weather interference with no first innings result 1 pt each Innings win / win by ten wickets 1 bonus pt Tie on first innings without outright result 1 pt each Tie on both innings 2 pts each Outright loss 0 pts First innings results not achieved without any weather interference 1 pt each D.If a domestic match is played on a wicket that is ‘underprepared’ in the opinion of the match officials, then two points will be deducted from the host association’s tally for the season. E. Floodlights will be used during Test matches, if required, wherever the facility exists. F. The use of Kookaburra balls to be continued in the Duleep Trophy. G.The senior domestic season to be rescheduled, and the tournaments to be played in the following order: Challenger Series for the NKP Salve Trophy Duleep Trophy Ranji Trophy Irani Cup – Ranji champions vs Rest of India One-day tournaments: Vijay Hazare Trophy and Deodhar Trophy Domestic T20 H. The present Ranji Trophy format was discussed at length, and it was felt that the ‘Elite-Plate’ format be continued. The recommendations made by the Technical Committee will have to be ratified by the Working Committee of the Board.

http://www.bcci.tv/bcci/bccitv/index...3bf7613e8.html Looks like not too many of Chopra's suggestions have been accepted. The tech com has come up with a few tweaks here and there, not what we had expected. A few things I was ecpecting- - The incentive to win a match outright should have been at least double of a win by first innings lead. - Duleep Trophy should have been made on a round robin format and not knockout basis. - A gap of at least 5 days should have been mandatory between domestic matches in Ranji and Duleep Trophy - Limit the number of over a side can bat for in the 1st innings of a first class match to 150 overs

[sumvell]

WTF.....the 1st innings lead rule was the one that needed to be changed...teams need to be provided an incentive to win, not to take 1st innings lead...... Thats BCCI for u. the more things change, the more they remain the same.

[ganeshran]

WTF.....the 1st innings lead rule was the one that needed to be changed...teams need to be provided an incentive to win, not to take 1st innings lead...... Thats BCCI for u. the more things change, the more they remain the same.

That the first innings rule should be changed is pretty obvious, but what is the alternative to decide if the match ends in a draw in the knockout stage. Increasing the match to 5 days is an improvement.

[Chandan]

That the first innings rule should be changed is pretty obvious' date=' but what is the alternative to decide if the match ends in a draw in the knockout stage. Increasing the match to 5 days is an improvement.[/quote'] See, there are two rules which can be followed or even a combination: In county cricket: Points system The county championship works on a points system, the winner being the team with most points in the first division. The points are currently awarded as follows: Win: 16 points + bonus points. Tie: 8 points + bonus points. Draw: 3 points + bonus points. Loss: Bonus points. Bonus points are collected for batting and bowling. These points can only be obtained from the first 110 overs of each team's first innings. The bonus points are retained regardless of the outcome of the match. Batting 200-249 runs: 1 point 250-299 runs: 2 points 300-349 runs: 3 points 350-399 runs: 4 points 400+ runs: 5 points Bowling 3-5 wickets taken: 1 point 6-8 wickets taken: 2 points 9-10 wickets taken: 3 points Deductions Occasionally, a team may have points deducted. These are normally small deductions, between 0.5 and 1 point. Deductions are most commonly handed out for slow over rates or poor pitches. However, in 2005, Surrey were awarded an 8 point penalty for ball tampering. At the end of the 2005 season, Surrey were relegated to the second division, finishing one point behind Middlesex, who remained in the first division. In 2007, Glamorgan were deducted 8 points for an unprepared wicket at Swansea. Also, in 2011, Warwickshire, Hampshire and Kent were deducted 8 points for poor pitches at Edgbaston, the Rose Bowl and Canterbury, respectively. ---------------------------------------- So just see the difference between win and draw. That is the incentive one needs to gives to the teams to go for outright victory. I'm not very versed with county championship's formats and if they play knockout-out matches like quarters, semis etc or not or if they directly go to finals like the Aussies do. But their point system system is top notch and there is nothing in trying to take something good from other's system. Now this how the Aussies in their domestic matches in Sheffield_Shield: A number of different systems have been used over the years. Currently, points are awarded for each match during the home and away season according to the following table. Result Points A win (irrespective of the first innings result) 6 A tie (irrespective of the first innings result) 3 A first innings lead in a drawn or lost match 2 A first innings tie in a drawn or lost match 1 A loss on the first innings 0 An outright loss after being behind on the first innings 0 Abandoned or drawn matches with no first innings result 0 Quotient (team's batting average divided by its bowling average) is used to separate teams which finish on an equal number of points. Teams can be penalised points for failing to maintain an adequate over rate. -------------------------------------------------------------- Here also 1st inning lead is given so little importance compared to outright win!

[1983-2011]

2012 : Recommendations by the BCCI technical Committee for changes in domestic cricket Some of the recommendations by the BCCI technical Committee are as follows: 1. Number of bouncers permitted per over in domestic one-day events to be increased from one to two. 2. The Ranji Trophy quarterfinals and semifinals will be five-day games 3. The Ranji Trophy points system shall be as follows: Outright win: 5 points; first-innings lead but no outright win: 3 points; loss on first-innings: 1 point; washout/weather interference with no first-innings result: 1 point each; innings win/win by ten wickets: 1 bonus point; Tie on first innings without outright result: 1 pt each; tie on both innings: 2 pts each; Outright loss: 0 pts; first-innings results not achieved without any weather interference: 1 pt each 4. If a first-innings result is not obtained at the end of the scheduled play in a knockout match, then the match will be extended into an additional day. If the first innings are not completed even on this additional day, then the winner will be decided by the spin of a coin. 5. The senior domestic season to be rescheduled, and the tournaments to be played in the following order: Challenger Series, Duleep Trophy, Ranji Trophy, Irani Cup, Vijay Hazare Trophy, Deodhar Trophy, Syed Mushtaq Ali Trophy 6. If a domestic match is played on a wicket that is 'under-prepared' in the opinion of match officials, then two points will be deducted from the host association's tally for the season. 7. Floodlights will be used during Tests if required, wherever the facility exists. 8. The use of Kookaburra balls to be continued in Duleep Trophy.

[chainsmoker1985]

First they should make a arrangement to telecast all the matches. Telecast tak to kar nahi sakte, batein itni badi badi

[saneindian]

Ranji Trophy set for an overhaul?

The technical committee of the BCCI, headed by former India skipper Sourav Ganguly, is meeting in Mumbai today. The committee will look into the findings of the conclave attended by all domestic captains and coaches few months back. NDTV has learnt that a new format has been proposed for the Ranji Trophy. Here are some of the changes that have been proposed. # Instead of two, there will be three Elite groups. # Each group will have five teams each # Teams to play 1 home & 1 away match against every other team in their group. # Top two teams from Plate will move to Elite # Bottom two teams will be relegated to Plate Group # Monetary incentives will also be provided at league stage. An incentive of Rs. 15 crore has been proposed for Elite group teams while Rs. 5 crore has been proposed for Plate Group teams.http://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/news/item/191685-ranji-trophy-set-for-an-overhaul Remains to be seen if these changes get implemented. The interesting part is the home and away concept for league matches, wcich means in group stages a team will play 8 matches. Will that lead to a furthermore cramped up schedule for domestic matches? Currently teams play 6-7 league matches and for that they have to play matches with a maximum of 3-4 day gap. While adding more league games will help the players, will the BCCI ensure there is sufficient gap between each match to avoid injuries, especially for pacers? Hope they do something about the point system as well. Making cosmetic changes will not work at all, the entire point system has to be overhauled with more emphasis on outright wins.

[jj_28]

any investment in better pitches for next season?

[Crookbond]

Doesn't this contradict the earlier move that teams won't play any games at their home. Anyways, the home-away system is a better one tha proposed earlier.

[Sachin=GOD]

Some interesting points but lets see how much of this is actually done.