Constitution amendment for promotion quota: PM

[Clarke]

This will be struck down by SUPREME Court in its current form as it violates basic structure of the constitution.

They're planning a constitutional amendment, a court can't reject that.

[Tiger80]

^ I am not any of the upper castes and neither the lower castes. My parents worked and were never supported by any government. They worked day/night, fed me and made ends meet to provide the best for me. So, I am now a "middle class" person who has worked his way (despite reservation) to provide for me & my family. Question - Why is it my responsibility to take care of the scheduled caste? Sure they are poor and I can empathize with them. But, I don't understand why it is my responsibility to do so. If anything, it is the government's responsibility to take care of them. Where do I come into the picture? :dontknow:

1)Either you belong general(upper caste) , OBC or SC ST.there is noway you can say you don't belong to any caste 2)Government did provide you safe environment,electricity, water and because of its policies your parents were able to work and raise you 3) Because of caste system SC STs did not get any education or land which is one of the main reason that they are extremely poor , so it is duty of society to make collective effort to uplift them, but the problem is these people choose the path of reservation which is hardly doing any benefit to poor Scs Sts .

[CG]

They're planning a constitutional amendment' date= a court can't reject that.

They can if it violates basic structure of constitution and violates rights guaranteed by constitution.

[Clarke]

^ Hmm, maybe that's where the administrative efficiency argument (as suggested by SC) comes into picture.

[Nova]

Some reservation is definitely justified. As with any system, people tend to take advantage of it by finding loop holes.

[AGHORI]

Some reservation is definitely justified. As with any system' date=' people tend to take advantage of it by finding loop holes.[/quote'] Upper class are also taking advantage of loop holes in our judicary and constitution,similarly dalits and minorities are using it for their own advantage

[CG]

Some reservation is definitely justified. As with any system' date=' people tend to take advantage of it by finding loop holes.[/quote'] In our state adminstrative exam 70% was reserved for sc/st/obc +others .The high court has stayed the exam.

[someone]

I really do wonder what the reason/science behind (sustained) reservation. It's acceptable to have different packages a product (eg. first, economy class) based on several criteria(eg.price) where every user can get a fair chance to select what they want. But with reservation, like the economy class is totally removed and become entirely exclusive for groups of certain criteria.

[Raghav_12]

With SP being the only party to oppose this bill, it is all set to pass. Really unfortunate vote bank politics.

[Crookbond]

Promotion quota bill passed in Rajya Sabha.

[CG]

Promotion quota bill passed in Rajya Sabha.

Yeah UPA Passed it to please Mayawati and get her support.They will stall it in loksabha .even if they pass it the bill will struck down by supreme court.

[seedhi]

This reservation in promotion especially for group 'A' officers could completely destroy the civil services in India. Imagine officers being superseded by another on the basis of caste. A former cabinet secretary TSR Subramaniam has given 20 years for this to lead to the collapse of Indian administration. The following is an article by him which articulates these very fears.

Reservations in promotion will be an unmitigated catastrophe By TSR Subramanian 19th August 2012 12:00 AM The Government of India has given an assurance that sometime next week an amendment to the Constitution will be introduced in Parliament providing for caste-based reservation for promotions in government service. Reservation for entry into civil services has been the policy for many decades now. Some states have followed a policy of reservation not only for entry but also in promotion. Such a provision in Uttar Pradesh was struck down a few months back by the Supreme Court. The present move by the government is in response to the demand made, particularly by Mayawati, that the Centre should ensure reservation in promotion. It is necessary to think through this proposed constitutional change. A beleaguered Central government is following a policy of appeasement of one special interest group or the other as part of their “dharma”. The implications for governance in the medium and long run are worth examination. Once a person enters civil service through any route, he or she becomes a civil servant. As such, he is part of the instrument of governance—a public service and a social infrastructure; per se he has no caste or community or regional or sectoral identity—he is a functionary of the Constitution. Thus, a district magistrate is not a Sikh or a Shia or a Baniya—he is the casteless, impartial head of district administration. It will be absurd to look at a sub-inspector, a tehsildar or a tax officer as a Gujjar or Khasi or a Brahmin. The home minister for the nation is not a Scheduled Caste—he is the custodian of national security. Manmohan Singh, effective or not, may be a Sikh by birth but he is the nation’s premier. It will be a national catastrophy to identify civil servants with their caste or community or region or any other personal characteristic. Imagine a colonel superseding, say a score of generals, on the basis of his caste or community to become the army chief—that would be the death knell for the army as an institution. If you were to train a new recruit in your service, who within five years becomes a colleague, and within five more years becomes your boss—not based on merit, but on caste—where would your morale be? Reservation on promotion has the potential to demotivate personnel across the board, crippling each hierarchy. Seniority and merit are the two key criteria in the management of any cadre. In the lower echelons in each hierarchy, seniority is predominantly the operational attribute; as one goes up the ladder, merit starts playing an increasingly important role—at the highest levels, merit alone ought to be the guiding principle for determining promotion. The concept of ‘merit’ cannot always be easily quantified or defined in a scientific manner—an amount of subjectivity may creep into every assessment—but this does not mean that merit as a criterion should be abandoned. The requirement is to ensure sufficient safeguards to maximise fair play. Introducing a new dimension of caste or community into this equation will do violence to any hierarchy. To benefit one group of government servants, a massive tax cannot be imposed on the general public. Considering that many castes in India have been suppressed for centuries, it may be necessary to continue reservation at entry point for more time, even though this is a derogation from the principle of merit. The experience of the past few decades has shown that the policy of reservation at entry has not done as much damage to the various services, as the onslaught of politicisation in the services. But reservation in promotion is altogether on a different plane. We have to note the criticism that over time not many officers of some castes in the IAS and Central services have reached the top-most echelons of administration—say posts of Cabinet Secretary, Chief Secretary etc. The main reason for this relates to the practice of age relaxation at entry—in general, the reserved entrants join the system much later than their main counterparts, and lose out in the long haul. Many from the reserved groups join as probationers at a relatively later age. In the words of one director of the IAS training school, many of them are “untrainable”—they think they know everything. The solution clearly ought to be that the same age limit should apply at entrance point to all—this would not cut into any existing quota; however, it will diminish the premium on repeated practice and coaching, and will encourage original minds. Sadly, many policy decisions in Delhi and the State are now guided by short-term political considerations. Apart from the ‘reverse discrimination’ angle, the proposed policy is clearly violative of Article 14 of the Constitution. Even if the Constitution is amended, as is now being proposed to provide for promotion in reservation, there is a good chance that it will be struck down by the Supreme Court on the ground that it would violate the ‘basic structure’ of the Constitution. Thank goodness, the Parliament is not supreme—we still have a Constitution. tsrsubramanian@gmail.com Subramanian is a former Cabinet Secretary http://newindianexpress.com/magazine/voices/article590556.ece

[someone]

You have got to happy that so far governments are not in control of cricket. If it was for them, the game itself would be full of reservation/quota and another vote-bank strategy. However, it's only so far and perhaps there will be some incidents like this in future particular when some other sports have had those type of accusations.

[AGHORI]

You have got to happy that so far governments are not in control of cricket. If it was for them, the game itself would be full of reservation/quota and another vote-bank strategy. However, it's only so far and perhaps there will be some incidents like this in future particular when some other sports have had those type of accusations.

TBH,they have more stamina and physical fitness than upper class Amul babies.They are more worried about their daily bread and they don't have anyone to approach for lobbying

[Clarke]

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[Sachin=GOD]

Won't pass in Lok Sabha in this session.

[surajmal]

BJP has become Congress lite. Congratulations kutey ke bachchon. Modi is the only hope.