Tendulkar and Zaheer retirement discussion [Poll added]

[Tendulkar_Bhai]

In Tendulkar We BELIEVE! FLASHBACK 2007 : After 2007 World Cup according to a newspaper poll 92% Wanted Sachin Tendulkar to retire & even carried a headline "ENDULKAR" !! Sachin Tendulkar's Reply : Stats between 2008-2010 --->> Tests 33 mat 3166 runs, 63.32 avg, HS 214. ODIs 35 mat, 1636 runs, Avg 54.53, HS 200 We Believe in ♥ Sachin ♥ -For all those fickle, short sighted over emotional "India" fans. :finger:

[vvvslaxman]

What's all this cr@p about being "unthankful" and "respect"? We are Indian cricket fans and not Tendulkar fanboys. You make it sound as if Tendulkar was the second coming of Christ who made some great sacrifice. He's a professional sportsperson - nothing more and nothing less - just like Dravid, Laxman, Gavaskar, Kapil and numerous others. Being a sportsperson is just like any other job, i.e. you need to perform or make way for others. You are not owed any favors or entitled to "spot for life" in the team. We don't really care for whether Tendulkar "enjoys his cricket" or not. I enjoy cricket as well but I'm not gonna enjoy it at the cost of the national team. Tendulkar has averaged 15 over the last 10 innings and has barely done anything of note over the last 2 years and it's high time he's kicked out. He's not owed anything by BCCI or the fans. He has played for 23 years and as a result he is a billionaire which he wouldn't have been anywhere near becoming if he hadn't become a cricketer. He gained plenty of money and fame in the process and stop pontificating as if he has made some great sacrifice for the nation. In fact he has shown over the last year or so with the 100th 100 fiasco, his picking & choosing the matches & series, his 100th 100 which cost India the Asia Cup, his preference to spend "quality" time with his kids during their "school vacation" and his preference to play IPL while skipping intl matches/series that he's as selfish as any other bloke. Dravid is one guy whom I have respect for - the guy was selfless to the core and hung up his boots when he saw that he was past it whereas the so called "god" is continuing to cling on to his spot even though he's well past it. And knowing him he'll continue playing home matches and retire when India is about to tour SA leaving the team in the lurch with a newbie and an unsettled lineup. But of course "god" deserves to do so coz team doesn't mean anything, it's all about when bhagwan decides he stops "enjoying" his cricket :giggle:

[vvvslaxman]

FLASHBACK 2007 : After 2007 World Cup according to a newspaper poll 92% Wanted Sachin Tendulkar to retire & even carried a headline "ENDULKAR" !! Sachin Tendulkar's Reply : Stats between 2008-2010 --->> Tests 33 mat 3166 runs, 63.32 avg, HS 214. ODIs 35 mat, 1636 runs, Avg 54.53, HS 200 We Believe in ♥ Sachin ♥ -For all those fickle, short sighted over emotional "India" fans. :finger:

So you are saying he would suck for 2 or 3 straight years before finding form? Thanks for the valuable info. Let us select him in 2014.

[Tendulkar_Bhai]

What's all this cr@p about being "unthankful" and "respect"? We are Indian cricket fans and not Tendulkar fanboys. You make it sound as if Tendulkar was the second coming of Christ who made some great sacrifice. He's a professional sportsperson - nothing more and nothing less - just like Dravid, Laxman, Gavaskar, Kapil and numerous others. Being a sportsperson is just like any other job, i.e. you need to perform or make way for others. You are not owed any favors or entitled to "spot for life" in the team. We don't really care for whether Tendulkar "enjoys his cricket" or not. I enjoy cricket as well but I'm not gonna enjoy it at the cost of the national team. Tendulkar has averaged 15 over the last 10 innings and has barely done anything of note over the last 2 years and it's high time he's kicked out. He's not owed anything by BCCI or the fans. He has played for 23 years and as a result he is a billionaire which he wouldn't have been anywhere near becoming if he hadn't become a cricketer. He gained plenty of money and fame in the process and stop pontificating as if he has made some great sacrifice for the nation. In fact he has shown over the last year or so with the 100th 100 fiasco, his picking & choosing the matches & series, his 100th 100 which cost India the Asia Cup, his preference to spend "quality" time with his kids during their "school vacation" and his preference to play IPL while skipping intl matches/series that he's as selfish as any other bloke. Dravid is one guy whom I have respect for - the guy was selfless to the core and hung up his boots when he saw that he was past it whereas the so called "god" is continuing to cling on to his spot even though he's well past it. And knowing him he'll continue playing home matches and retire when India is about to tour SA leaving the team in the lurch with a newbie and an unsettled lineup. But of course "god" deserves to do so coz team doesn't mean anything, it's all about when bhagwan decides he stops "enjoying" his cricket :giggle:

Tendulkar is an reincarnation of Krishna, the 11th avatar there will be one more in our lifetime that one could be Pujara. But serious note, Tendulkar is going through a bad spell, his age aside (which is irrelevant as he is as fit as ever) the likes of Dhoni, Kohli, UV are doing just as bad, so the unfair bit is calling for him to retire just for the likes of Raina to be picked, when we have seen countless times what he can do. Thats why your post is a disgrace

[Nova]

Tendulkar is an reincarnation of Krishna, the 11th avatar there will be one more in our lifetime that one could be Pujara.

Not Krishna but Ganpati. Ganpati is evergreen all round God. SRT bappa morya...agle baras tu jaldi aa. Lekin hamara bappa kahin jataich nahin. :cantstop: Pujara... the name itself beckons the followers to do his puja. Come on get in line everyone....

[yoda]

I would like Tendu to keep playing till his avg drops below 50. Now that would be a fitting farewell for Mr. Record.

[Gunner]

^What does 'pk sucks southie balls' mean?

[CG]

^What does 'pk sucks southie balls' mean?

pK Southie ke **** choos tha he.:winky: may be he means southie is a better bowler.

[koolkarts]

How about a career batting average of 57+ spanning 157 Tests with 44 100s? Is that argument good enough for you or all his runs were "cheap" and only Tendulkar scored the runs that really counted?

Of which, the highest averages are against the poorest teams. In which, he has never dominated an all time great bowling attack, Sorry, your argument is absolute cow dung. Can you quote some other stats apart from his higher test batting average? He doesn't have as many tons as Sachin, so I'm not sure why you quote that in making a comparison with him. If you want to talk about averages, here are his averages for you again against the poorest teams in test cricket: An average of 79 vs Bangladesh, 64 vs New Zealand, 73 vs New Zealand, 169 vs Zimbabwe Will I literally need to explain to you how an average is calculated? Or are you seriously expecting me to believe that the only reason Kallis is a better batsman than SRT (despite having a poor away average, and performing poorly against England and then Aus team of the 90s - 2005) is because he has 2 runs higher in his average? Kallis IMO doesn't even touch Dravid when it comes to batting, A better all round player, yes, the best all rounder of our generation, but not the best batsman. Wake up and smell the coffee.

[koolkarts]

Tendulkar is an reincarnation of Krishna, the 11th avatar there will be one more in our lifetime that one could be Pujara. But serious note, Tendulkar is going through a bad spell, his age aside (which is irrelevant as he is as fit as ever) the likes of Dhoni, Kohli, UV are doing just as bad, so the unfair bit is calling for him to retire just for the likes of Raina to be picked, when we have seen countless times what he can do. Thats why your post is a disgrace

+1000

[Tendulkar_Bhai]

So you are saying he would suck for 2 or 3 straight years before finding form? Thanks for the valuable info. Let us select him in 2014.

Can Dhoni suck for 5 yrs or UV suck for 10 yrs (in tests) or Sehwag for 5yrs? Sachin 2009-current TESTS: 2009-2012 Matches: 31 RUNS: 2645 HS: 214 Average: 53.97 (IF THAT IS AN AVERAGE OVER THE LAST FEW YRS OF SOMEONE WHO SHOULD RETIRE YOU CAN KISS MY ASS) 100's: 8 Dear Sun... stop rising cos you are billions of yrs old ...you should take retirement Dear Earth..stop rotating cos you are billions of yrs old ...you have been busy doing so for ages so must retire Dear Wind--stop blowing, the time is over for you now so you should take a rest If all these things were justified then yes Sachin should hang up his boots. Sachin is LIFE!!

[koolkarts]

So you are saying he would suck for 2 or 3 straight years before finding form? Thanks for the valuable info. Let us select him in 2014.

The rest of the team has also been **** mate. If you take an average over the past 2 years, he's the same or better than Gambhir, Sehwag, Dhoni, Laxman etc. It's just discrimination based on age, combined with a "cut the tall poppy" and a cruel fake-egalitarian attitude to treating all cricketers equal. In the world of many fans here, you are only as good as your last performance, and that is it. Past performances count for nothing.Who cares if you single handed,h decimated attacks all across the world. Who cares if your technique is second to none. Who cares if you are the most experienced batsman in the history of the game. Who cares if you have a track history of coming out of slumps with a bang, Who cares if you are the most aesthetically pleasing batsman the world has seen. All that matters, in the minds of some righteous fans here, is what the end result is, not the process and history behind it. The argument for getting new young talent into the team instead of SRT is also flawed. You would have a very vulnerable line up, in which there would be little or no experience in the middle order. We are proclaiming Pujara to be Dravid after an innings on 19 abroad! We need SRT to groom the middle order, so that they develop the temperament, the skill and mindset to go on in the future without him. Instead of calling for his head, hope SRT's form improves, encourage him, and get over your grudges, Indian cricket will be in a much better place if he performs. The pleasure some people are taking in his failures is sickening to say the least.

[Ultimate_Game]

Tendulkar is an reincarnation of Krishna, the 11th avatar there will be one more in our lifetime that one could be Pujara. But serious note, Tendulkar is going through a bad spell, his age aside (which is irrelevant as he is as fit as ever) the likes of Dhoni, Kohli, UV are doing just as bad, so the unfair bit is calling for him to retire just for the likes of Raina to be picked, when we have seen countless times what he can do. Thats why your post is a disgrace

Age is not irrelevant, it's the most important factor when considering whether to stick with a player or not. You will never give the same leeway to an out of form (20 months at that which is more than just a small dip) as you would to a 26 year old. Reason for that is based on the basic cost-benefit analysis, i.e. what's the upside you gt while sticking to a 40 year old. Even if he comes good he won't last more than a year or so but a 26 year old can still give you 10 good years. With Tendulkar the low reward simply doesn't justify the risk. And what of transition plan? What if Tendulkar continues to play for another year or more and then quits just before India travels abroad for next overseas tour? Have you thought about that and how the team would be in disarray to fit in a newbie leading to an unsettled lineup? Do you have appetite to endure another 0-8 disaster? Do you only care the no. of 100s Tendulkar scores and not the team on the whole? Do you think it would be fair to the player who's oing to replace Tendulkar (most probably Rahane) to be thrust into the middle straight away in SA rather then get a series or two at home to get settled just like Pujara? For me, and looks like quite a few others, the team comes first and I don't want to see the 0-8 debacle ever again. Haven't we learnt any lessons from the fiasco already and still trying to go ahead with a 40 year old instead of planning for the future and ensuring we give ourselves - team as well as the newbies - best chance of succeeding? For me Tendulkar there's hardly any upside to continue with Tendulkar but everything to gain by blooding a youngster in Rahane or even Rohit. Give them a chance to establish themselves before sterner tests ahead and I doubt either Rahane or Rohit will do any worse than Tendulkar.

[cybervickey]

Whats the difference between you guys and what Ajmal said insulting Sachin ? . Are you saying that Ajmal was right all along ? . Let me refresh your memory :

Seriously , sometimes I feel that this websites has been infiltrated with twoo many padosies.

[EnterTheVoid]

Yea, it's Tendulkar's fault the other losers are not performing. Did you do your schooling in Lahore by any chance?

[Tendulkar_Bhai]

These people are not true India fans and one of the reasons that the country is dying with poverty and not advancing in any other sports or areas due to these selfish attitudes. Overtake China one day? DOnt make me laugh, they wudnt treat their sun jihai in such a way

[Ultimate_Game]

Yea' date=' it's Tendulkar's fault the other losers are not performing. Did you do your schooling in Lahore by any chance?[/quote'] Methinks you are the one coming up with Lahori logic stating "A shouldn't be dropped coz B is not dropped either". Difference is that others aren't as old as grand-dads and they haven't sucked as much as the "maha shatak" guy over the last 1.5 years. It may not be Tendulkar's fault that others are not performing but he has been the biggest culprit of all doing jack shyte over the last year and a half.

[Ultimate_Game]

These people are not true India fans and one of the reasons that the country is dying with poverty and not advancing in any other sports or areas due to these selfish attitudes. Overtake China one day? DOnt make me laugh' date=' they wudnt treat their sun jihai in such a way[/quote'] I am sure you won't know what irony is even if it hits you in the face with a barn door. You are asking for entitled few to do what they please (Tendulkar in this case) instead of betterment of the majority (Indian team) and are saying others are not "true" Indian fans :hysterical: Never knew that definition of "true Indian fan" is a Tendulkar fanboy :giggle: Let me ask "true Indian fans" like yourself. What would you do given the 2 options... 1. Continue with Tendulkar, he scores a 100 (just for argument's sake) and India loses. 2. India plays without Tendulkar and wins. I would go with 2 everytime, and not just Tendulkar, if given an option that India wins a match by dropping all the current team members (including Gambhir, Sehwag, Dhoni, Zaheer, Ashwin, Yuvraj, Kohli, Pujara etc.) and replacing with newbies I would take that in a heart-beat. I onl care about Team India doing well and that's it. If player A gives a better chance than player B for India to win a match, I will select player B in a heartbeat no matter who the players A or B are. But it seems you, and others of your kind, would take a player (Tendulkar) over the team. And you call yourself a "true" Indian fan :haha:

[vvvslaxman]

Can Dhoni suck for 5 yrs or UV suck for 10 yrs (in tests) or Sehwag for 5yrs? Sachin 2009-current TESTS: 2009-2012 Matches: 31 RUNS: 2645 HS: 214 Average: 53.97 (IF THAT IS AN AVERAGE OVER THE LAST FEW YRS OF SOMEONE WHO SHOULD RETIRE YOU CAN KISS MY ASS) 100's: 8 Dear Sun... stop rising cos you are billions of yrs old ...you should take retirement Dear Earth..stop rotating cos you are billions of yrs old ...you have been busy doing so for ages so must retire Dear Wind--stop blowing, the time is over for you now so you should take a rest If all these things were justified then yes Sachin should hang up his boots. Sachin is LIFE!!

That gives the right for him to stay forever? As long as you can find a player who sucks worse than him he can stay long.. Basically Tendulkar should not be dropped as long as he is not the last in the list of averages of among playing XI. Good logic. You guys can never be reformed. Let him play till he turns 58.

[cybervickey]

Yea' date=' it's Tendulkar's fault the other losers are not performing. Did you do your schooling in Lahore by any chance?[/quote'] Seriously man .Its not like Anybody else did any better besides Pujara besides, its only 1 test match we lost .I am sure we will bounce back .Just because Sachin isn't scoring runs doesn't mean that he isn't a contributing member of the team .HE contributes in other ways as well.His experience playing international cricket counts for a lot. HE hasn't been bowling a lot but his bowling is also a big plus for us .