Shame: In last 16 months only 4 Indians made their Test debut, Aus had 11, SA had 6!!

[jairamesh]

So we finally have debutant in this series in the form of Jadeja, who was pretty decent with his bowling so far. Whilst England have had two already in this series. Both so far have had relative success.

[jf1gp_1]

Not sure who else could have made an impact full debut ? Maybe rahne , I cant believe ppl are now recommending rohit sharma when there have been thread after thread on why there is no place for him in indian cricket. Dhoni going won't change a thing , we will continue to lose.

[The Dark Horse]

Dhoni is just not willing to try new players at any cost, Awana/Dinda is a case in Nagpur test

[jairamesh]

Not sure who else could have made an impact full debut ? Maybe rahne , I cant believe ppl are now recommending rohit sharma when there have been thread after thread on why there is no place for him in indian cricket. Dhoni going won't change a thing , we will continue to lose.

They could have thrown hundreds. After the 0-8 hammering it was emergency stations. Selectors could have gone for at least 6 to 7 players from the India A squad.

[Crookbond]

They could have thrown hundreds. After the 0-8 hammering it was emergency stations. Selectors could have gone for at least 6 to 7 players from the India A squad.

Isn't that a whole sale change? I don't think that's a good thing to do. You must know that changing half of the side would not yield any result for the next 2 years. I don't think that is acceptable to anyone.

[Old guy]

Isn't that a whole sale change? I don't think that's a good thing to do. You must know that changing half of the side would not yield any result for the next 2 years. I don't think that is acceptable to anyone.

when u get whitewashed in consecetive away series u do need wholesale changes.. i know wht ur saying tht it wont be good for team but question i wanna ask is can it get worse?:hysterical: this is not normal situation we are getting beaten at home like we did away from home..right now its not knee jerk reaction to make 7 changes its just tht changes should have been made over course of last 2 years which never were made...now situation is so bad tht we dont have a guy in 11 who can be captain...cos no one is experinced enough or is assured place in team! tell me is this normal situation?

[jairamesh]

Isn't that a whole sale change? I don't think that's a good thing to do. You must know that changing half of the side would not yield any result for the next 2 years. I don't think that is acceptable to anyone.

Obviously not calling for changes in a swipe. But changes have only come about due to retirements. And when I meant "6-7 players", I was merely highlighting that there are options as opposed to one of the posters saying:

Not sure who else could have made an impact full debut

There was a golden window of opportunity against NZ to question Sehwag, Gambhir and Sachin's places in starting XI. At least dropping one of them would have provided some options for the current debacle. Right now all three are failing so miserably that selectors don't feel bold enough to introduce a rookie.

[jairamesh]

when u get whitewashed in consecetive away series u do need wholesale changes.. i know wht ur saying tht it wont be good for team but question i wanna ask is can it get worse?:hysterical: this is not normal situation we are getting beaten at home like we did away from home..right now its not knee jerk reaction to make 7 changes its just tht changes should have been made over course of last 2 years which never were made...now situation is so bad tht we dont have a guy in 11 who can be captain...cos no one is experinced enough or is assured place in team! tell me is this normal situation?

yup, this what i meant. And there shouldn't even be question of hindsight here, because after the England away series so many of these problems were obvious.

[Crookbond]

when u get whitewashed in consecetive away series u do need wholesale changes.. i know wht ur saying tht it wont be good for team but question i wanna ask is can it get worse?:hysterical: this is not normal situation we are getting beaten at home like we did away from home..right now its not knee jerk reaction to make 7 changes its just tht changes should have been made over course of last 2 years which never were made...now situation is so bad tht we dont have a guy in 11 who can be captain...cos no one is experinced enough or is assured place in team! tell me is this normal situation?

IDK if it would be good or bad - all I'm saying is once you make sweeping changes it takes quite some time to return back to being even an "average" Test side.

[Old guy]

yup, this what i meant. And there shouldn't even be question of hindsight here, because after the England away series so many of these problems were obvious.

yes u cant generalize this...if situation demands to sack 7 players then u just have too...u cant keep on playing dead weight just bcos others in team are dead weight too keep it simple u dont perform u get kicked out aussies made 11 changes! amd now we are admiring theres bench strength 2 years ago we were laughing at how juch they have fallen and how no talented player is coming up

[Old guy]

IDK if it would be good or bad - all I'm saying is once you make sweeping changes it takes quite some time to return back to being even an "average" Test side.

we are already pathetic with current team no hope of getting better with new one we will still be pathetic but with hope of getting better now pick one :winky: new players can perform pujara proved it tiwary did in warm up yadav proved it now jsut give them chance and show some faith they will have to carry team either now or 2 years from now lets give them maximum time to become agood team:two_thumbs_up:

[Crookbond]

we are already pathetic with current team no hope of getting better with new one we will still be pathetic but with hope of getting better now pick one :winky: new players can perform pujara proved it tiwary did in warm up yadav proved it now jsut give them chance and show some faith they will have to carry team either now or 2 years from now lets give them maximum time to become agood team:two_thumbs_up:

Again - I meant once you change it is OK that it takes some time BUT we've got to be patient. We can't keep on changing every 3rd series.

[jairamesh]

I am still positive about India's cricketing future partly due to revamp of the Ranji structure and us winning two of the last three U19 WCs. It's the cronyism at BCCI and in selection panel that's worrying. And if this cronyism continues then talent and deserving players will be barred from playing international cricket. It's rather sickening at some of the blatant cronyism pointed out by journalists still continuing regarding the national team.

[Old guy]

Again - I meant once you change it is OK that it takes some time BUT we've got to be patient. We can't keep on changing every 3rd series.

ofc give new players time i will give ashwin,kohli more time but bhajji,gambhir will go now as there causes of failures are different and they are at diff at point in there careers have a new team and back them up properly also im asking u this...wht will we gain by backing up sehwag? dont u agree he is finished? same with dhoni do u think they can bounce back ?

[Old guy]

I am still positive about India's cricketing future partly due to revamp of the Ranji structure and us winning two of the last three U19 WCs. It's the cronyism at BCCI and in selection panel that's worrying. And if this cronyism continues then talent and deserving players will be barred from playing international cricket. It's rather sickening at some of the blatant cronyism pointed out by journalists still continuing regarding the national team.

get rid of dhoni..we will start seeing new guys i honestly might soundbit cynical but wont u guys agree they are not dropping big icon players of ipl cos of money invested in them ? think abt it dhonis case is proven it can be true for others too right ?

[jairamesh]

get rid of dhoni..we will start seeing new guys i honestly might soundbit cynical but wont u guys agree they are not dropping big icon players of ipl cos of money invested in them ? think abt it dhonis case is proven it can be true for others too right ?

Maybe or maybe not, but I really don't think Indian players in Tests will raise their profile in IPL, compared to ODIs and T20Is. I believe the selectors are just too pussy to make bold calls and selections, i.e. new Test captain, dropping Sachin or Sehwag.

[Old guy]

Maybe or maybe not, but I really don't think Indian players in Tests will raise their profile in IPL, compared to ODIs and T20Is. I believe the selectors are just too pussy to make bold calls and selections, i.e. new Test captain, dropping Sachin or Sehwag.

hmm ok when we lose things like these do come in mind i guess:cantstop:

[Crookbond]

One particular thing I have a problem with selectors is that they keep making myopic picks - Jadeja and Chawla being perfect examples. I would like them to bet on a long rope and reap the rewards. I also do feel that fans should exercise some patience if such drastic steps are indeed taken.