Where Are All The 150kph Bowlers?

[Old guy]

but sabby do u think akthar or lee would have been so consistent pace wise like above mentioned gentlemen

well they were consistent ..now difference is we know the pace at which they were consistent same cannot be said abt earlier bowlers ..those techniques of measurement u were talking abt i honestly dont think they are accurate and seriously pace wise bowling consistently over 150 in tests is kind of impossible and i actually agre with this theory tht lot more bowlers now a days can crank up pace what are the chances that west indies just had 2-3 guys like morne morkel? :dontknow: he looks quick doesnt he ? :--D

[Serani]

Jeff Thompson has always bigged up his own pace as if he was superman. And regarding Frank Tyson my grandad does always say that 'typhoon' tyson is the fastest ever bowler lol.

[Old guy]

chal sou yaar biwi gussa kar rahi hai

ok :D hope she does not sees ur avatar :giggle:

[msb1991]

Would Larwood really have been 150+? Dont want this to decend into a wholesale debate...

Action coaching doesn't tend to increase speed these days. Whether it can or not is a different question but I think the quickest bowlers around have always touched 150kph. What has happened due to professionalism is that there are more 140kph bowlers than before. I think it is perfectly plausible that Shaun Tait would have bowled just as quick if he played around 1930-1950. It isn't like someone has gone up to him and told him to bowl like that.

[ChanaLal]

also batsman always has to play the shot before ball is delivered i mean he is already in motion before ball is released otherwise u wont be able to touch any fast bowler its hard to explain but if any one here has played cricket at pro level he will agree :P

This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard as the idea is to be still at the point of release. Chris Gayle is the classic example of someone who does this

[FreakazoiD]

This is Lillee who was fast medium and wasn't even the fastest around at this time bowling to Viv Richards almost 40 years ago.

I have to agree this looks quick and bowlers like holding, roberts, thompson and others bowled faster than this. The point was that today's bowlers are no quicker and looking at this i agree as keeper rod marsh is a pitch length back. Remember that bouncers reach the batsman slower than pitched up deliveries due to the pitch slowing the ball down

Viv not even wearing a helmet facing this guy. Makes me wonder now if Lillee was a trundler :hmmm: Can't even think of a batsman walking out to face Shoaib without a helmet... Lillee, Thommo and the West Indians were probably ~140kph, but Shoaib, Lee and Tait are by far the fastest ever.

[vandokkum]

Viv not even wearing a helmet facing this guy. Makes me wonder now if Lillee was a trundler :hmmm: Can't even think of a batsman walking out to face Shoaib without a helmet... Lillee, Thommo and the West Indians were probably ~140kph, but Shoaib, Lee and Tait are by far the fastest ever.

Thomson was capable of 150 kph. But yea Shoaib and Lee are the fastest no doubt.

[Magneto]

Tyson made his first class debut against the Indian tourists in 1952, after his first ball the slips moved back an extra five yards and his first wicket was that of the Test batsman Pankaj Roy for a duck. Tyson's second first class match was against the Australians in 1953. Richie Benaud was told that the unknown Tyson was a bowler fresh out of Durham University who would give them no trouble. They began to revise this estimation when they saw the wicket-keeper take position halfway to the boundary and young Tyson walked over to the sightscreen to begin his run up. The first ball ricocheted off the edge of Colin McDonald's bat to the boundary, the second trapped him lbw before he could play a stroke, the third was a bouncer that flew past Graeme Hole's nose and the fourth was a yorker that clean bowled Hole and sent his stumps cartwheeling over the wicket-keeper's head. In 1954 on a brute of a pitch at Old Trafford Tyson hit the sightscreen with the ball after it bounced once on the pitch. Kortright lived until 1952 and was interviewed shortly before his death providing a wonderful insight into Victorian cricket. The bowlers of his era used the yorker as their main weapon; they had bowled on some pitches just as flat as modern "shirt fronts". The bowling crease was smaller in those days, which restricted their angles of attack. He pointed out that he had used a larger ball and had smaller stumps to bowl at. The way to overcome these obstacles was simply to get fitter and bowl faster. Many batsmen were given a thorough battering by Kortright and W. G. Grace was no exception. In 1898, the batsman was approaching 50 years old and refused to speak to Kortright following a Gloucestershire vs Essex match. This was the famous occasion on which Kortright, having uprooted two of the stumps after Grace had shamelessly intimidated the umpire out of giving several dismissals, said: "Surely you're not going, Doc? There's still one stump standing". This witticism rather than the battering he received, may have been the main cause of Grace's ire. He claimed that he had never been so insulted. Gilchrist is considered to be one of only four bowlers ever, to have actually hit the sightscreen after first bounce on the pitch, on the full. Competing in a 1978 fast bowling contest that included many of the leading bowlers in the world, Thomson came first with a delivery clocked at 147.9 km/h, ahead of Michael Holding (141.3 km/h) and Imran Khan (139.7 km/h). In 1975 during a Test match, he was timed using high-speed cameras with a release speed of 160.45 km/h; the following year he was timed at 160.58 km/h using conventional radar.[2] Australian wicket-keeper Rod Marsh kept wicket to Thomson for most of his Test career and claimed that Thomson bowled upwards of 180 km/h. Former West Indies captain Clive Lloyd regards Thomson as the fastest bowler he has ever seen.[3] Thomson himself noted that he had been timed at the batsman's end of the pitch (by which time the ball has slowed) and believes had he been timed out of the hand he would have been closer to 180 km/h.[4] Frank Tyson wrote that "at a muzzle velocity of 99.6 m.p.h. Thompson is so fast and human reaction time is so slow that scientists have calculated that the batsman has to begin playing a stroke against him more than .062 of a second before 'Thommo' lets go of the ball".[5]

Yes, I read all that in wiki and tried to hunt for the sources that had mentioned these events. In most cases, they seem to be club matches where the events have not really been 'reported', but rather being talked about and made into an apocryphal story. Also, we'll never know how tiny these grounds actually were, because it's not even possible to statistically track out these matches.

[vayuu1]

ok :D hope she does not sees ur avatar :giggle:

she has seen it and called me tharki ,I replied " anushka ke to sirf wallpaper laga sakte hai, asli life mein to Tum hi meri heroine ho" after this answer she was speechless and get into her act, you know what .

[Old guy]

This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard as the idea is to be still at the point of release. Chris Gayle is the classic example of someone who does this

dude even with gayle his bat starts coming down before bowl is even released its physically impossible to play fast bowlers by starting playing shot after release on tv its looks like u have lot of time anyway i will find u the links when i get free time tonight

[Old guy]

@vayuu

[hhhhdmt]

I don't know if all the west indian greats were consistently bowling over 150kph. They look more like 140kph to me although i could be wrong

[CG]

dude even with gayle his bat starts coming down before bowl is even released its physically impossible to play fast bowlers by starting playing shot after release on tv its looks like u have lot of time anyway i will find u the links when i get free time tonight

Thats why rohit sharma is special.Btw you mean batlift.

[ChanaLal]

dude even with gayle his bat starts coming down before bowl is even released its physically impossible to play fast bowlers by starting playing shot after release on tv its looks like u have lot of time anyway i will find u the links when i get free time tonight

This is getting more ridiculous. How can you start bring the bat down when you have no idea where the ball is going to be? It might be short or full or straight or wide. The idea is to stay still as possible as the ball is released so you can watch where it is. How do you start to play a shot before the bowler even bowls the ball?

[Malcolm Merlyn]

I don't know if all the west indian greats were consistently bowling over 150kph. They look more like 140kph to me although i could be wrong

Marshall Holding Roberts were 150ks

[Raghav_12]

Would Larwood really have been 150+? Dont want this to decend into a wholesale debate...

Logically speaking. No chance.

[Raghav_12]

Tell Ian Pont to join ICF. We discover a new phhhassst bowler every week.

welcome back CT. Long time.

[msb1991]

Logically speaking. No chance.

There is a chance he touched 150kph. Just as Shaun Tait can bowl 150kph with an uncoached action. Surely you cannot attribute someone like Tait's speed to modern gym facilities and high quality footwear. If cricketers were pushing the boundaries of modern strength and conditioning, then perhaps you could do that, but they are not - a lot of it comes down to technique and coaches have not yet learned how to effectively coach speed technique in the mainstream. Just as Allan Donald bowled at 90mph in Test matches in 1998 (and Waqar in 1996), such is 90mph still regarded as close to top speed you're likely to see from a Test match spell.

[ChanaLal]

There is a chance he touched 150kph. Just as Shaun Tait can bowl 150kph with an uncoached action. Surely you cannot attribute someone like Tait's speed to modern gym facilities and high quality footwear. If cricketers were pushing the boundaries of modern strength and conditioning' date=' then perhaps you could do that, but they are not - a lot of it comes down to technique and coaches have not yet learned how to effectively coach speed technique in the mainstream. Just as Allan Donald bowled at 90mph in Test matches in 1998 (and Waqar in 1996), such is 90mph still regarded as close to top speed you're likely to see from a Test match spell.[/quote'] This is a very good posting. The speeds are just no quicker and in fact mostly slower than 20 years ago and there are even more injuries than ever

[King Tendulkar]

Like I said if the stop watch was not invented, people would still be saying jessie owens is fastest man ever to grace planet earth. There were no speed guns till latley, so rose tinted glasses go on by many for players from pre speed gun era. In every thing man can run faster and jump higher etc But apparently in fast bowling its all slowed down