seedhi Posted January 13, 2013 Posted January 13, 2013 And? Where have I defended them or rooted for Tytler and Kumar to become PMs? The classic "argument" of the Bhagwa brigade - bring in red herrings to divert attention from their genocidal demigod.PV Narasimha Rao was the Union Home Minister in 1984, responsible for law and order in Delhi. He became the PM without as much as a murmur from the so called secularists at that time.
Lurker Posted January 13, 2013 Posted January 13, 2013 I was just pointing out that Advani's rathyatra was not responsible for the riots. To me, it is all part of the same Babri Masjid kaarnama. That one phase of India, incidentally by those who you support, set us back forever. Whoever were the rioters should be arrested/tried by the government. The logic used to damn Modi is equally applicable to the Congress govt/CM during the Bhagalpur riots. Sorry but you aren't being honest. You are simply using a lame excuse to defend Modi. I am kinda watching NFL so I will leave you with this. A couple of years after the Bhagalpur riots I was in Bhagalpur. The city was still plastered with slogans - Babar ka badla babar ki santaan se lenge. Who do you think wrote that on the wall? Congress? Laloo? Or VHP/BajrangDal/BJP? Lets not use a riot which was caused by your chahnewaale for their own gains.
The Outsider Posted January 13, 2013 Posted January 13, 2013 PV Narasimha Rao was the Union Home Minister in 1984' date=' responsible for law and order in Delhi. He became the PM without as much as a murmur from the so called secularists at that time.[/quote'] So? How am I responsible for the secularists of those times?
seedhi Posted January 13, 2013 Posted January 13, 2013 To me, it is all part of the same Babri Masjid kaarnama. That one phase of India, incidentally by those who you support, set us back forever. Sorry but you aren't being honest. You are simply using a lame excuse to defend Modi. I am kinda watching NFL so I will leave you with this. A couple of years after the Bhagalpur riots I was in Bhagalpur. The city was still plastered with slogans - Babar ka badla babar ki santaan se lenge. Who do you think wrote that on the wall? Congress? Laloo? Or VHP/BajrangDal/BJP? Lets not use a riot which was caused by your chahnewaale for their own gains.Firstly, you need to study what actually triggered the riots. Apparently, some bombs were thrown on a Hindu procession first. As regards the comparison, I am only comparing the administrative failures of both the state governments. If that is used as a benchmark then it is equally applicable to the Congress CM.
seedhi Posted January 13, 2013 Posted January 13, 2013 So? How am I responsible for the secularists of those times?You aren't. But you claimed that if a "mass murderer" (I guess PVN is also one according to your standard) becomes PM, it will be catastrophic for India. Well, didn't quite turn out like that in case of PVN.
The Outsider Posted January 13, 2013 Posted January 13, 2013 You aren't. But you claimed that if a "mass murderer" (I guess PVN is also one according to your standard) becomes PM' date=' it will be catastrophic for India. Well, didn't quite turn out like that in case of PVN.[/quote'] And it was catastrophic leading to one of the worst riots independent India has seen.
asterix Posted January 13, 2013 Posted January 13, 2013 The suggestion that businessmen like Ratan Tata don't know what they are doing (with their business) and supporting a "mass murderer" is lulzworthy...
seedhi Posted January 13, 2013 Posted January 13, 2013 And it was catastrophic leading to one of the worst riots independent India has seen.It is a stretch to call PVN's regime a catastrophe for India based on the Mumbai riots. In any case, Congress is the last party to have any moral ground to compare Modi to Hitler when the list of its leader is filled with people who failed as badly or even more to control riots.
The Outsider Posted January 13, 2013 Posted January 13, 2013 It is a stretch to call PVN's regime a catastrophe for India based on the Mumbai riots. In any case, Congress is the last party to have any moral ground to compare Modi to Hitler when the list of its leader is filled with people who failed as badly or even more to control riots. Bombay riots? The entire North India was in riot or riot like situation after the Babri Masjid demolition. Exams were cancelled state wide, schools and offices were closed for weeks. Try to sell this bull crap about few riots in Bombay to those who did not live through '92.
asterix Posted January 13, 2013 Posted January 13, 2013 Credit goes to goes to Rajiv Gandhi & his "shilanyas" for the "biggest riots"...
Lurker Posted January 13, 2013 Posted January 13, 2013 Firstly' date=' you need to study what actually triggered the riots. [b']Apparently, some bombs were thrown on a Hindu procession first. I like how you covered yourself with the word "apparently" lol. You really do not have any clue about Bhagalpur riots, do you? Aside from using it as a debating point. Speaking of "apparently", Apparently Indian PM assasinated triggered the 1984 riots. And unlike you I dont have to go looking :winky: As regards the comparison, I am only comparing the administrative failures of both the state governments. If that is used as a benchmark then it is equally applicable to the Congress CM. Like I said, Congress breathed its last in a matter of years after that. Even earlier but i cant be bothered to look right now. Do tell how has Gujrat dealt with the murderers? :giggle::giggle::giggle:
seedhi Posted January 13, 2013 Posted January 13, 2013 Bombay riots? The entire North India was in riot or riot like situation after the Babri Masjid demolition. Exams were cancelled state wide' date=' schools and offices were closed for weeks. Try to sell this bull crap about few riots in Bombay to those who did not live through '92.[/quote']I am not denying these things. But the country has regularly gone through such crises. If you term PVN's rule as a catastrophe, then almost every regime would similarly be labeled. So its on a matter of perspective that I have a different opinion.
asterix Posted January 13, 2013 Posted January 13, 2013 Rajiv Gandhi was the actual mass murderer...he oversaw the 1984 Sikh pogrom, then his action on Shah Bano case & Ram mandir shilanyas lead to catastrophic riots in coming years. He was the Hitler of India...
Lurker Posted January 13, 2013 Posted January 13, 2013 Rajiv Gandhi was the actual mass murderer...he oversaw the 1984 Sikh pogrom' date=' then his action on Shah Bano case & Ram mandir shilanyas lead to catastrophic riots in coming years. He was the Hitler of India...[/quote'] Issiliye kehta hoon Asterix da, sone ke pahle ek glass doodh piya karo. Raat mein neend se uth jaate ho aur al-bal type kar dete ho :bootyshake:
seedhi Posted January 13, 2013 Posted January 13, 2013 I like how you covered yourself with the word "apparently" lol. You really do not have any clue about Bhagalpur riots, do you? Aside from using it as a debating point. Speaking of "apparently", Apparently Indian PM assasinated triggered the 1984 riots. And unlike you I dont have to go looking :winky:I was countering your assertion that the brick collection was responsible for the riots. If bricks can cause riots, then so can bombs. Like I said, Congress breathed its last in a matter of years after that. Even earlier but i cant be bothered to look right now. Do tell how has Gujrat dealt with the murderers? :giggle::giggle::giggle:The murderers are being prosecuted and tried. Highest number of convictions of any riot since independence.
asterix Posted January 13, 2013 Posted January 13, 2013 Issiliye kehta hoon Asterix da' date= sone ke pahle ek glass doodh piya karo. Raat mein neend se uth jaate ho aur al-bal type kar dete ho :bootyshake: :bootyshake: If businessmen and industrialists have to ask Manish Tiwari, Outsiders & Lurkers where to and not to invest their monies there wouldn't have been all these issues and debates... :giggle:
DomainK Posted January 13, 2013 Posted January 13, 2013 Manish Tewari is right - a mass murdered like Modi gaining mainstream popularity and power in India would be disastrous. A very simple fact that most people refuse to recognize.
EnterTheVoid Posted January 13, 2013 Posted January 13, 2013 :bootyshake: If businessmen and industrialists have to ask Manish Tiwari, Outsiders & Lurkers where to and not to invest their monies there wouldn't have been all these issues and debates... Yeah, shame they didn't listen to esteemed idiots on internet forums who keep harping the same thing over and over again :hysterical: It is like that children's song, "The wheels on the bus go round and round". Round and round in circles we go.
Tiger80 Posted January 13, 2013 Posted January 13, 2013 And? Where have I defended them or rooted for Tytler and Kumar to become PMs? The classic "argument" of the Bhagwa brigade - bring in red herrings to divert attention from their genocidal demigod. Ever heard name KamalNath ,he was seen leading a mob in Delhi .He is an Mp and Minister of urban development If Kamalnath can enjoy Power despite being involved in 1984 why can't Modi? And yes you have never defended Tytler or Kumar but never heard you raising any voice against Kamalnath.
surajmal Posted January 13, 2013 Posted January 13, 2013 A few years back I noticed a Post-it on a school principal's desk with "CBSE HOTS" scribbled on it. I had no idea what it meant but I laughed inside and wondered what CBSE, a school education board, had to do with "HOTS". So I asked the principal and she told me it stood for "Higher Order Thinking Skills" which the CBSE was introducing in schools and she asked me if I knew any teachers who could teach it. Naturally, I had to ask why a school with 70 odd teachers would have to search for someone to teach "Thinking skills" Aren't school teachers supposed to possess thinking skills and be teaching it through regular subjects like Maths and Science on a daily basis? That is half the story. What CBSE or schools don't teach about is perception The world outside schools operates on the principle of perception, yet it's never taught in schools. It'snot taught as a specialised topic even in business schools. The entire marketing world operates in creating, sustaining and exploiting perceptions. This is just as true for politics and politicians. It is even truer for our media. Their entire game of the media is built on perceptions. The entire flow chart of some media debates concerning Gujarat can be explained as under. This is a flow chart that is a rough indicator without going into greater details but is a fair sample of how some of our media's political programmes are delivered. You could even call it "inception" after the famous movie. Yes, that's the job of media: "inception" of "perceptions" This is a template for all major Dynasty-friendly media. Just before the Gujarat elections in December 2012 someone from the Congress party remarked "Narendra Modi is sending invitations for Vibrant Gujarat 2013 as if he is going to win the elections" You can guess that the TV anchor hosting the debate won't point out the stupidity in such a statement. Supposing Congress had won the elections are they suggesting they would scrap the Vibrant Gujarat summit? This loose flow chart I explained is the template for channels like NDTV and CNN-IBN, the masters at "inception" While they will pick holes where there aren't any when it comes to Gujarat and Narendra Modi, they will provide platforms for CMs like Sheila Dikshit to appear as a saint. The latest programme by Barkha Dutt in which she hosts SheilaD for an interaction with youth on NDTV is what I call classic "inception" The brutal Gangrape that Delhi protesting had tainted SheilaD but trust Barkha Dutt to try and alter the image and perception. Unable to digest the success of Vibrant Gujarat 2013 (VG) NDTV predictably comes up with a debate to rubbish it. Vishnu Som brings up issues of malnutrition and famer suicides. The one independent panellist on the show, Ron Somers, the American head of US-IDC a development council, finished off the debate in one single sentence: "In the end we wish there were more CMs like Modi who were moving their states forward like Gujarat the problems you mentioned and that of poverty exists in all states of India and even in the US" Not a verbatim quote but that's precisely what he stated and meant. Now, is VG supposed to handle issues of malnutrition and farmer suicide? Is VG the single-window solution to all problems of society? Only idiots like Vishnu Som and his colleagues in the media would imagine so. VG is a programme for investments and if those are coming in and creating more opportunities wouldn't they solve many problems? Then they lament that all the MOUs signed at VG summits don't materialise. What's their problem? Even if 20-25% of the MOUs materialise the value in absolute terms is phenomenal. Do these morons ever sit down and analyse how many of promises in manifestos of political parties materialise in terms of delivery? NDTV has to be categorised as a bunch of morons who don't seem to get even the basics of VG. It's an Investment and business summit and more than that it opens up a state to a wide world that can bring opportunities to its people. So too CNN-IBN! The editors of both these channels follow a predictable flow chart and template when it comes to discussing Gujarat and Narendra Modi. Their anger and hatred and stems from the fact that they weren't able to destroy Modi with the perceptions they tried to create with the Gujarat 2002 riots. They are stuck there while Gujarat and Modi have moved far ahead. Gujjus know it and visitors to Gujarat know it. James Bevan, the UK High Commissioner, was moved enough to say "I too am a son of Gujarat" But NDTV would like to compare Gujarat with Somalia. As it happens, prodding them in their agenda are two Congress ministers. First KapilSibal says "People from foreign countries have come to India for business and then became rulers of the country. Today, they are again coming to do business here and divide us. We must be careful of them" That's a real laugh and it comes from a party that fought tooth and nail to bring in the FDI policy. Perhaps Sibal even forgets his party is the only one that is indeed being "ruled" by a woman of foreign original who, according to public information, still holds her Italian citizenship. Of course, he also forgets other foreigners like Quattrochi who escaped Indian law for the Bofors scam. He also forgets his party allowed a safe-passage for Warren Anderson of Union Carbide which is responsible for the Bhopal tragedy. He forgets something else too. We will get there. If Sibal is uttering nonsense can the other guy who could run a university of nonsense be far behind? Hell no! Manish Tiwari goes one better. He compares Narendra Modi with Hitler's Nazi regime for corporate houses lining up at VG. This is the guy with both his feet permanently in his mouth. Who can forget his famous "corrupt from head to toe" statement for Anna Hazare? But his sound-bites are meant to be hints for NDTV and CNN-IBN to set their flow charts in order and carry out more "inceptions" Here is a pic of Manmohan Singh, the SoniaG-appointed Prime Minister, with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian President. This Iranian guy is famous for denying the "holocaust" under Hitler ever happened. This guy is also famous for his statement of "wiping Israel off the map" This guy's regime is one of the "axis of evil" countries in the US book and a terrorist state. The wiping Israel off the map is a misquote by media though. Ahmadinejad wanted to make "occupiers of Jerusalem" (meaning Israel) a page removed from history and time. What a loveable couple they make, don't they? They hug and shake hands and are all smiles. Now, by the logic of Sibal and ManishT, the GOI, the Congress party and Manmohan Singh support Ahmadinejad in denying the holocaust under Hitler. Because MMS hugs him and shakes hand they also agree to his wiping off the occupiers of Jerusalem. All one has to do is replace MMS with Modi in the pics above and the Congress, NDTV and CNN-IBN would be left very confused. They wouldn't know whether to call Modi a Nazi like Hitler or to call him a holocaust denier. Remember, denying the holocaust is banned in many countries and in some countries it's a crime. By the stupid logic of Manish Tiwari, many countries would have to prosecute MMS for hugging Ahmadinejad implying he supports his ideology and theories. By his logic Congress too would be an offender in many countries. Such is the moronery of some ministers and media channels. We do have a breed of politicians, activists and media channels that are now in the same league as the holocaust deniers. They are busy in attempting to create perceptions of Gujarat being an evil state with an evil leader. http://www.mediacrooks.com/
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