maniac Posted January 19, 2013 Posted January 19, 2013 That definitely is not a performance enhancement drug. Doesn't change the fact that it is a banned substance...not like he had a cigarette or something lol
maniac Posted January 19, 2013 Posted January 19, 2013 Do u hold the same philosphy when it comes to elections? :winky: I don't know how we can apply that analogy here but I will try....Just because I don't like the government and believe it's corrupt doesn't change the fact that it is in power...if people are incompetent enough to do anything about it I guess we deserve it. Same thing here....Doesnt change the fact that Lance is a cheat but why strip his titles after all these years...anyway what's the guarantee that he was the only guy cheating...he beat the system and that should be it.
maniac Posted January 19, 2013 Posted January 19, 2013 So Armstrong made all that money selling his 'inspirational 'autobiography...Now he will cash in by writing another book about his cheating escapades...win-win for him.
maniac Posted January 19, 2013 Posted January 19, 2013 I sympathise with Armstrong in a way....Beating Cancer and acheiving the kind of success he did ,performance enhancing drugs or not is still a great feat. unfortunately for him now,his testicular cancer might be linked to his steroid abuse
Sachin=GOD Posted January 19, 2013 Posted January 19, 2013 Is that true? Most or everyone did? :omg: Then why is only L.A. being stripped off the medals? What about the others? http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/editorial/the-harder-they-fall/article4035462.ece
Sachin=GOD Posted January 19, 2013 Posted January 19, 2013 So how come Agassi wasn't stripped of his slams?Didn't he admit to be on Crystal Meth or something during some games? Or is it different for different sports? Lance is a cheat but if he beat the system and won the medals than all power to him...It's the administrators who need to apologise. Drugs or no Drugs his rise to stardom is inspirational. IIRC he admitted to have taken it once and when he was tested positive, he told the drug testing authorities that he took it by "mistake" because his manager was a regular user. He would have received a 3 month ban but the drug agencies believed his story that it was a mistake and didn't ban him.
Sachin=GOD Posted January 19, 2013 Posted January 19, 2013 Is there any situation where this cheater can be sent to jail in any of the cases which would surely follow this admission of doping.
Brainfade Posted January 19, 2013 Posted January 19, 2013 Lance Armstrong is being vilified for accomplishing things he couldn't have accomplished except by cheating. He deserves every bit of the ridicule and vilification. But Aaron Swartz was deified for doing some things that he couldn't have done except by breaking the rules. The difference? One committed suicide - and emotional as we are, we cannot get ourselves to vilify a dead young man. Am I being too harsh here?
Brainfade Posted January 19, 2013 Posted January 19, 2013 Is there any situation where this cheater can be sent to jail in any of the cases which would surely follow this admission of doping. I wonder if he cut a deal with the Feds before coming out. Who knows? I wonder what the financial ramifications are - people/sponsors are going to sue his cheating ****.
Crookbond Posted January 19, 2013 Posted January 19, 2013 Lance Armstrong is being vilified for accomplishing things he couldn't have accomplished except by cheating. He deserves every bit of the ridicule and vilification. But Aaron Swartz was deified for doing some things that he couldn't have done except by breaking the rules. The difference? One committed suicide - and emotional as we are, we cannot get ourselves to vilify a dead young man. Am I being too harsh here? No - you are not. It's a sad state of the justice system. That said, it is important not to go harsh on Lance because of AaronSw. Both cases show the disparity of the justice system but it does not mean we balance out AaronSw injustice by being harsh on Lance. The DOJ is considering a lawsuit but I am not of the opinion Armstrong should serve time in jail.
Sachin=GOD Posted January 19, 2013 Posted January 19, 2013 No - you are not. It's a sad state of the justice system. That said' date=' it is important not to go harsh on Lance because of AaronSw. Both cases show the disparity of the justice system but it does not mean we balance out AaronSw injustice by being harsh on Lance. [b']The DOJ is considering a lawsuit but I am not of the opinion Armstrong should serve time in jail.[/QUOTE] why? he cheated his way to the top prize in cycling 7 times and also won an Olympic medal. He defrauded all his sponsors and most important of them all, the millions and millions of fans who found him to be a great inspiration. IMO he should be sued and jailed. p.s. after all this he has the audacity to say that he deserves to compete again - thats just pathetic.
Crookbond Posted January 19, 2013 Posted January 19, 2013 why? he cheated his way to the top prize in cycling 7 times and also won an Olympic medal. He defrauded all his sponsors and most important of them all, the millions and millions of fans who found him to be a great inspiration. IMO he should be sued and jailed. p.s. after all this he has the audacity to say that he deserves to compete again - thats just pathetic. It's a tough question and that was my personal opinion - I think he does not deserve jail but probably a huge fine. I have said it earlier and I repeat - it is a collective failure of the administration to detect Armstrong's activities. Was it due to impediments in technology or was it due to a mole in the system? The system has got equal if not more blame to take as Armstrong. It is not right to single out Armstrong in this. The issue is doping that's it - even if you dope and you didn't win you HAVE doped. So, not just Armstrong but everyone who has doped should be taken to task (of course implications may wary).
Sachin=GOD Posted January 19, 2013 Posted January 19, 2013 It's a tough question and that was my personal opinion - I think he does not deserve jail but probably a huge fine. I have said it earlier and I repeat - it is a collective failure of the administration to detect Armstrong's activities. Was it due to impediments in technology or was it due to a mole in the system? The system has got equal if not more blame to take as Armstrong. It is not right to single out Armstrong in this. The issue is doping that's it - even if you dope and you didn't win you HAVE doped. So' date= not just Armstrong but everyone who has doped should be taken to task (of course implications may wary). According to me the administration can be called extremely negligent but its only Armstrong who can be called guilty.
Crookbond Posted January 19, 2013 Posted January 19, 2013 According to me the administration can be called extremely negligent but its only Armstrong who can be called guilty. No - this happens every where, administrators are always let off the hook. It is their job to prevent doped individuals from participation. In the current circumstances, it could have happened due to two reasons - 1) Technological Impediments - In this case, there's nothing much one can do OR 2) Intentional Oversight - This should be tackled with and dealt with. It is never about Armstrong, it is about cycling - currently, it is Armstrong ... tomorrow it can be someone else. Everyone involved in rusting the machinery should be weeded out.
The Outsider Posted January 19, 2013 Posted January 19, 2013 I don't know how we can apply that analogy here but I will try....Just because I don't like the government and believe it's corrupt doesn't change the fact that it is in power...if people are incompetent enough to do anything about it I guess we deserve it. Same thing here....Doesnt change the fact that Lance is a cheat but why strip his titles after all these years...anyway what's the guarantee that he was the only guy cheating...he beat the system and that should be it. How did he beat the system? It was the system which caught and exposed him.
Sachin=GOD Posted January 19, 2013 Posted January 19, 2013 No - this happens every where' date=' [b']administrators are always let off the hook. It is their job to prevent doped individuals from participation. In the current circumstances, it could have happened due to two reasons - 1) Technological Impediments - In this case, there's nothing much one can do OR 2) Intentional Oversight - This should be tackled with and dealt with. It is never about Armstrong, it is about cycling - currently, it is Armstrong ... tomorrow it can be someone else. Everyone involved in rusting the machinery should be weeded out. I'm not saying they should be let off. I'm only saying that Armstrong deserves to be sent to jail. As for the administration, severe action against them might be in the form of suspension.
Sachin=GOD Posted January 19, 2013 Posted January 19, 2013 How did he beat the system? It was the system which caught and exposed him. he did beat the system for over a decade - a time period in which he won 7 Tour de Force titles and an Olympic medal.
The Outsider Posted January 19, 2013 Posted January 19, 2013 he did beat the system for over a decade - a time period in which he won 7 Tour de Force titles and an Olympic medal. That tells me he did not beat the system. He got caught, exposed, and finally confessed. Was that not because of the system?
KhanSaab Posted January 19, 2013 Posted January 19, 2013 That tells me he did not beat the system. He got caught' date=' exposed, and finally confessed. Was that not because of the system?[/quote'] A lot of the evidence against him came from testimonies of hs ex teammates etc. I am not sure the system had much to do with that.
Lurker Posted January 19, 2013 Posted January 19, 2013 I don't know how we can apply that analogy here but I will try....Just because I don't like the government and believe it's corrupt doesn't change the fact that it is in power...if people are incompetent enough to do anything about it I guess we deserve it. Same thing here....Doesnt change the fact that Lance is a cheat but why strip his titles after all these years...anyway what's the guarantee that he was the only guy cheating...he beat the system and that should be it. Rather simple mate. We tend to make modern day athletes as celebrity and do saat khoon maaf for them, which we do not do for others (a politician for example). One can easily make the case that Laloo Yadav was doing booth capturing just because everybody else was too. And Yadav was better at it hence he was the winner. Does that hold correct as well then? Fact is not every athlete cheats. Definitely not the athletes who do not have access to modern day medicine and technology. For example Indians. Not saying an Indian would win Tour De France tomorrow but can you imagine how many athletes around the world simply did not pursue a career in cycling because the "legends" were so far ahead of them?? Now of course we know how exactly they were ahead.
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