Crookbond Posted April 29, 2013 Posted April 29, 2013 Must be some serious sh!t in the world when calling a "cheat" is labelled as "abuse". Over generalisation to drive a point :giggle:
vvvslaxman Posted April 29, 2013 Posted April 29, 2013 Must be some serious sh!t in the world when calling a "cheat" is labelled as "abuse". Over generalisation to drive a point :giggle: Under-playing the whole incident because Kohli is generally obnoxious on the field is also beyond my comprehension. I know how the whole ICF will go up in their arms if the same had happened to someone like Sachin or Dravid. SUre reaction would have been different from players. But that is not the point here. Reaction from fans will be different here.
Sachin=GOD Posted April 29, 2013 Posted April 29, 2013 Under-playing the whole incident because Kohli is generally obnoxious on the field is also beyond my comprehension. I know how the whole ICF will go up in their arms if the same had happened to someone like Sachin or Dravid. SUre reaction would have been different from players. But that is not the point here. Reaction from fans will be different here. the crowds will obviously react differently to Dravid or Kumble or VVS etc because these guys didn't abuse the crowd every time they took a catch at the boundary. They were never seen fighting with their own national teammates. Kohli may think of himself as very cool but the reality is that most crowds in the country don't exactly like his attitude - the Mumbai crowd chose to show its feelings so people are getting p!ssed off. This guy is called a potential captain - its high time he learns how to behave.
Sidhoni Posted April 29, 2013 Posted April 29, 2013 the crowds will obviously react differently to Dravid or Kumble or VVS etc because these guys didn't abuse the crowd every time they took a catch at the boundary. They were never seen fighting with their own national teammates. Kohli may think of himself as very cool but the reality is that most crowds in the country don't exactly like his attitude - the Mumbai crowd chose to show its feelings so people are getting p!ssed off. This guy is called a potential captain - its high time he learns how to behave. Kohli didn't do anything till he was provoked by the crowd. Even Raina has got back at the crowd after taking a catch.
Sachin=GOD Posted April 29, 2013 Posted April 29, 2013 Kohli didn't do anything till he was provoked by the crowd. Even Raina has got back at the crowd after taking a catch. Raina has been known to do something like this very rarely. Kohli has been doing it in all formats since he made his debut.
zep1706 Posted April 29, 2013 Posted April 29, 2013 I am no fan of Kohli's attitude, but have to say that Mumbai has the worst crowd in India. I went to an IPL game in 2008 there, they booed every opposition player including Ganguly or even Ajit Agarkar. It's a good thing to be passionate but jingoism is not cool.
zep1706 Posted April 29, 2013 Posted April 29, 2013 the crowds will obviously react differently to Dravid or Kumble or VVS From my personal experience I doubt that. They have a history of booing Ganguly, Yuvraj, Dhoni and wait Tendulkar too.
Crookbond Posted April 29, 2013 Posted April 29, 2013 Under-playing the whole incident because Kohli is generally obnoxious on the field is also beyond my comprehension. I know how the whole ICF will go up in their arms if the same had happened to someone like Sachin or Dravid. SUre reaction would have been different from players. But that is not the point here. Reaction from fans will be different here. You are doing the same thing which you are arguing for. How is calling a "cheater" an abuse?
Crookbond Posted April 29, 2013 Posted April 29, 2013 Kohli didn't do anything till he was provoked by the crowd. Even Raina has got back at the crowd after taking a catch. Yea? Awwww ... we should buy him some gripe water and pampers now. Provoked by the crowd, really? The same crowd whom he showed a middle finger - yea enough said.
vvvslaxman Posted April 29, 2013 Posted April 29, 2013 You are doing the same thing which you are arguing for. How is calling a "cheater" an abuse? It is certainly questioning one's integrity. May be in mumbai land anything goes.
King Tendulkar Posted April 29, 2013 Posted April 29, 2013 and that is exactly why Sachin is considered a role model for all cricketers because he knows how to channel his aggression (on the field with the bat). He doesn't respond to each barb or insanity hurled at him by the crowd, media, etc. Virat needs to seriously improve his behaviour as this type of idiotic behaviour is giving Indian cricket a bad name. If anyone talks about aggression then no one comes close to Ganguly in Indian cricket and he perfected the art of how to channel aggression appropriately. These new paplus need to watch ganguly as a leader and learn if they harbour hopes of leading India Sachin is a saint and showed it that day. Frankly would have had my full backing if piled in to the crowd and punched a few of the ungrateful losers on the nose. Not everyone can be a sachin or dravid, nor should we expect them to be. I like the fiery ones as well. Need them in a succesful team as well
Sachin=GOD Posted April 29, 2013 Posted April 29, 2013 Sachin is a saint and showed it that day. Frankly would have had my full backing if piled in to the crowd and punched a few of the ungrateful losers on the nose. Not everyone can be a sachin or dravid, nor should we expect them to be. I like the fiery ones as well. Need them in a succesful team as well there's a difference between fiery and fake. Kohli may very well be fiery but he looks fake.
Crookbond Posted April 29, 2013 Posted April 29, 2013 It is certainly questioning one's integrity. May be in mumbai land anything goes. From, abuse to "questioning integrity". Please enlighten how is that an "abuse". Probably, where you come from English is not in high schools.
Crookbond Posted April 29, 2013 Posted April 29, 2013 Sachin is a saint and showed it that day. Frankly would have had my full backing if piled in to the crowd and punched a few of the ungrateful losers on the nose. Not everyone can be a sachin or dravid, nor should we expect them to be. I like the fiery ones as well. Need them in a succesful team as well And I would in the same vein argue; we need fiery crowds as well. :winky: there's a difference between fiery and fake. Kohli may very well be fiery but he looks fake. It actually it shouldn't really bother whether it is fake or not. My beef is that Kohli plans to dish it out but turns into a loser when he gets it back.
Sachin=GOD Posted April 29, 2013 Posted April 29, 2013 Open letter to Virat Kohli Hey Virat, Hope things are fine. Oh, let's face it, they clearly aren't. You lost two matches in a row against 2 teams that have two of the finest gentlemen the game of cricket has ever seen, Sachin and Dravid. But more than the loss, I think it was the crowd booing you that bothered you. You felt that the crowd should be aware that you first play for India and the crowd should always remember that. Respect my friend is not demanded, it's earned. It's fine to show aggression, but not in words and actions, simply show it in your game. Remember what Hayden told about Dravid and aggression? Have you ever seen a Sachin or a Dravid getting booed in any match. In fact Dravid gets cheered more than your entire team in your home game. It's like the crowd suddenly forgets that it's an IPL match and has just come to watch Dravid play, same with Sachin in any part of the country. In fact these are the kinda players, add Laxman to that list, who get standing ovations when they come in to bat even outside India, which I think you can only dream of. You abuse when you get out, you abuse when you score a century. There's arrogance, ego and all that which nobody likes and you want everyone to love you? Let's go back to what happened? Rayudu was run out (unfortunately, but unintentionally of course). You went on to say - "It is very important to have knowledge of cricket. If it was any intentional interruption from the bowler, then the umpire would have stopped the batsman. It’s his job, not mine". Now let me introduce you to another fine cricketer, Hansie Cronje. Watch this video - Ganguly was given run out by the umpire (whose job it was according to you), and it wasn't IPL. It was an international match and Cronje revoked the decision and asked Ganguly to bat. Now Rayudu was your countryman, how hard was it for you to do it? In any case, it's not like you wake up one fine day and decide to behave like Sachin or Dravid. It takes years to build that kinda character. How you grow up, your friends, your team mates, all these things influence you, but then it's you who decide what good you get influenced with and what bad you avoid. Being surrounded by team mates like Srinath, Prasad and Kumble at the state level and then Sachin, Laxman, Sehwag at the national level, you would expect humility and modesty from someone like Dravid and obviously the others in the list. You can't blame yourself to be in the company of Gambhir in your younger days whom you just had a spat with about a week back. Do you remember the Dravid Slater incident? Check this video if you don't - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB9HVGx2Tgg And here's what Slater had to say after the whole incident one day. " Sledging Rahul Dravid was one the mistakes of my life. He did not lose his cool even when i was hurling abuses at him. I could not stomach the fact that he was single handedly demolishing the best team in the world. When the rage wore out on me, i realized that i was an animal and he was a gentlemen. He won my heart instantly" I think the golden days of cricket are gone with the retirement of Dada, Sachin, Dravid, Laxman and Kumble (Yes, Sachin is still playing tests). It's hard to expect a team like that in the future. But seeing you as a prospective Indian captain in the future, I can only request you to try and change your attitude. You have 2 of the 3 things that make greats, talent and dedication. You just need to curb your attitude a bit. - Still a fan of your talent and dedication. http://www.facebook.com/salabhak/posts/597171730292937
vvvslaxman Posted April 29, 2013 Posted April 29, 2013 From' date=' abuse to "questioning integrity". Please enlighten how is that an "abuse". Probably, where you come from English is not in high schools.[/quote'] Now we are down to teaching lessons.. Nice distraction avoiding the bigger picture we are talking about.
Crookbond Posted April 29, 2013 Posted April 29, 2013 Now we are down to teaching lessons.. Nice distraction avoiding the bigger picture we are talking about. Check the comment which read "Probably in Mumbai land anything goes" before the pot starts calling the kettle black.
vvvslaxman Posted April 29, 2013 Posted April 29, 2013 http://www.mid-day.com/sports/2013/apr/290413-when-wankhede-spectators-forgot-their-manners.htm
Texan Posted April 30, 2013 Posted April 30, 2013 They will not boo Dravid or Sachin in similar situation. Thats the point' date=' you cannot act as a whiny *****, abuse your own team members, behave like a prat and when someone gives it back to you, run back crying. Either you yourself act dignified forcing people to respect you, or learn to take what you dish out. Someone who has abuses like MC, BC on his sleeve everytime and someone whom the crowd watches doing this, will be a good target for the crowd always. Respect is earned by one's behavior[/quote'] Well said :nice:
Texan Posted April 30, 2013 Posted April 30, 2013 All Mumbai haters in this thread talking like Kohli is a saint :giggle: What happened to these same people when Inzamam was sledged in Canada and resorted to beating up a member of the crowd. Everyone had a hearty laugh at that time, didn't you? And where were all these same people when Kohli's wicket was celebrated by the Delhi crowd, yeah Kohli's own home crowd, in the recent test match against Australia? As I said earlier, all Mumbai haters just got a chance to vent out their frustrations :cantstop:
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