The Outsider Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Sure mate, look at Islamic countries across the Middle East. They are governed by something called Sharia. Sharia is a law for governance aka politics. What's going on in Egypt, what's the Muslim Brotherhood upto? Likewise Libya and Tunusia? Yes they fought for freedom, but freedom to the Libyans was the imposition of Sharia aka a tool for governance. Then come to Syria. What's the fight really for? At the end of the day it comes down to sectarianism right? Why are there so many Sunni jihadists in Syria fighting a Muslim government no less? It's like the Olympics of terrorism and the goal is quite obvious....imposition of Sharia and who cares a damn bout all the minorities rit? Thus I prove my case, that in today's world, Islam is very much a tool used for political purposes as much as it is for religious. Why should I look at any other country? Talk about India. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Outsider Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Sajjan Kumar? Hain? Sajjan Kumar is even close to the level of Advani and Modi in Congress and the country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swing_n_Speed Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Why should I look at any other country? Talk about India. Because you are being stunningly naive if you don't think global trends within the religion, will have any implications on the Muslim community in India! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulbul Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 No, english comprehension fail. When someone is trying to avoid a religion based split, that doesnt mean he is deciding on religion. That's like claiming a black who doesn't want to be discriminated and votes democrat is is deciding based on his color. Even I vote congress instead of BJP exactly for the same reason, will you accuse that religion matters to me too? Your word against mine. As i already posted once i know about people back home who votes only for religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulbul Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Hain? Sajjan Kumar is even close to the level of Advani and Modi in Congress and the country? Why then even after 30 years he is roaming free? who is protecting him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adi B Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 BJP were in centrla govt. What did they do pro-hindu at that time? ++..this will always go under the carpet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Outsider Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Because you are being stunningly naive if you don't think global trends within the religion' date=' will have any implications on the Muslim community in India![/quote'] No, I am grounded in reality when I make that kind of a statement. Except for fringe fundoo elements, Indian Muslims have never identified themselves with global Islam or Ummah. Even Gandhi found that out the hard way when his Khilaafat movement flopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adi B Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 No major player of the '84 riots is in active politics - Advani and Modi are very much so. what a lame logic lol..so that gives congress the benefit of the doubt ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Outsider Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Why then even after 30 years he is roaming free? who is protecting him? Does Sajjan Kumar has any role to play in today's politics? Do Advani and Modi have a role to play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulbul Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Does Sajjan Kumar has any role to play in today's politics? Do Advani and Modi have a role to play? It's not about role , its about why he roams freely. You are saying Modi/Advani can easily create problems because they are in power , what stops people like Sajjan kumar from creating trouble when its required? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Oh bhai' date=' I've seen the 80s and 90s with my own eyes - though for the first half of the 80s I was too young to actively follow politics, but you are from erstwhile UP so would know that a lot of people get engaged in political discussions at a relatively young age. I doubt you have witnessed the events that you are referring to. But anyhow, Vajpayee was branded as communal by Congress to have something to attack him with, not due to any fundamental policy or actions. Can you tell me which communal movement Vajpayee was a part of in the 80s like Modi and Advani were later one? It's actions which count, not what the media or opposition says. If it were up to Vajpayee, Modi would have been kicked out in '02.[/quote'] Yeah. I was not even born then, but did't Vajpayee write anti-muslim articles in those days and this is not just about Vajpayee. Advani who used to be considered a communal is now considered a secular. How does this happen? This is what happened in case of Vajpayee too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Outsider Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 what a lame logic lol..so that gives congress the benefit of the doubt ? That's not lame logic. It's the reality of politics in India - no party is above blemish. The best you can do as a voter is to choose the lesser of the evils on an individual level. I am from Lucknow and always voted for Vajpayee from BJP rather than the opposing candidate from Congress. If it were Advani or Modi standing from Lucknow my vote would have been different. There is no difference on the parties in anyway - it's just down to the individual candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulbul Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 That's not lame logic. It's the reality of politics in India - no party is above blemish. The best you can do as a voter is to choose the lesser of the evils on an individual level. I am from Lucknow and always voted for Vajpayee from BJP rather than the opposing candidate from Congress. If it were Advani or Modi standing from Lucknow my vote would have been different. There is no difference on the parties in anyway - it's just down to the individual candidate. Do you really believe in cureent India Modi can create havocs? are you serious about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Outsider Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 It's not about role , its about why he roams freely. You are saying Modi/Advani can easily create problems because they are in power , what stops people like Sajjan kumar from creating trouble when its required? Sajjan Kumar has no standing in politics these days to be able to create trouble. Advani and Modi do. Yeah. I was not even born then' date=' but did't Vajpayee write anti-muslim articles in those days and this is not just about Vajpayee. Advani who used to be considered a communal is now considered a secular. How does this happen? This is what happened in case of Vajpayee too.[/quote'] I am not the right person to answer the question because I consider Advani and Modi to be equally evil with Modi maybe winning the contest in a superover. That's media perception and I don't agree with it. Can you link me to the anti Muslim articles Vajpayee wrote because I have followed his politics for a long time and have never come across anything except a few misquoted and out of context pieces? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Outsider Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Do you really believe in cureent India Modi can create havocs? are you serious about that? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulbul Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Yes. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Outsider Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Why? Because he is a lunatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adi B Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 That's not lame logic. It's the reality of politics in India - no party is above blemish. The best you can do as a voter is to choose the lesser of the evils on an individual level. I am from Lucknow and always voted for Vajpayee from BJP rather than the opposing candidate from Congress. If it were Advani or Modi standing from Lucknow my vote would have been different. There is no difference on the parties in anyway - it's just down to the individual candidate. ur point of view,i respect..what about the local candidate of a constituency standing in the GE,irrespective of party or the leader of his party,if the candidate does a good job in his constituency ,he deserves the votes of the public and deserves recognition no based on his work on the ground issues no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulbul Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Because he is a lunatic. Did you thought same about people who orchestrated the '84 riots ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adi B Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Because he is a lunatic. who do you wanna see the PM candidate from both parties?name them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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