beetle Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 They took 2 weeks to decide on that jury. by the way even US president was in support of Martin. How the hell can the president of the country take sides on a case that is in court!
Raghav_12 Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 An entire nation rallied for T. Martin's wrongful murder but no one seems to care about the kids dying of hunger all around the globe! Ignorance at it's best Let's just say for the sake of it that T. Martin was man slaughtered but it has already happened. How about we spend so much effort on other lives that can be saved? What is this? Absultely irrelevant post.
Swing_n_Speed Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 He could have left the scene and was asked to do it' date=' he still went after the kid.[/quote'] Trayvon was 4 mins from his place, instead he turned back and pursued Zimmerman. The testimony given by the girl he was on the phone with was the clincher.
Swing_n_Speed Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 How the hell can the president of the country take sides on a case that is in court! Cheap political stunt. In-fact extremely cheap!
Brainfade Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 How the hell can the president of the country take sides on a case that is in court! He did it before GZ was arrested. Remember that it was election time, and it is to politicians' advantage to fan racial flames. Simple.
Swing_n_Speed Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 Where the heck are you getting this from- even Zimmerman's lawyers admitted he followed him Really? Do post links that support the statement you just made! http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/04/02/us/the-events-leading-to-the-shooting-of-trayvon-martin.html?_r=1&
Raghav_12 Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 I have gone through the details posted on some of the sites. Forget about black and white thing or Zimmerman guily or not. Problem is there are not enough evidence to deny the story which Zimmerman is telling. There can't be a motive established for which Zimmerman would have killed Martin other than being self defense or probably hate crime. That's how jurisprudence work. Law can't do anyhing even if he has murdered Martin without enough provocation.
ganeshran Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 Errr The prosecution could not prove that Zimmerman followed Martin. Wrong. He called 911 and the operator asked him not to follow the kid. He did so inspite of being told not to Had this been a case of a black man killing a white/half latino teenager he would have had the book thrown at him without any national outrage. Heck, a black Florida housewife got 20 years for firing a warning shot at her husband (it didnt hit him) in self defense against whom she had a protection order.
bulbul Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 Wrong. He called 911 and the operator asked him not to follow the kid. He did so inspite of being told not to Had this been a case of a black man killing a white/half latino teenager he would have had the book thrown at him without any national outrage. Heck, a black Florida housewife got 20 years for firing a warning shot at her husband (it didnt hit him) in self defense against whom she had a protection order. If its Bkackman who killed a white no one should have even bothered.
Ram Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 This case epitomizes many of the things that is wrong with America – a horrific gun glorifying culture, sensationalist media, a legal system that seeks to exploit human tragedies for personal publicity and gain and a finally, a strong under current of racism.
CSK Fan Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 I have gone through the details posted on some of the sites. Forget about black and white thing or Zimmerman guily or not. Problem is there are not enough evidence to deny the story which Zimmerman is telling. There can't be a motive established for which Zimmerman would have killed Martin other than being self defense or probably hate crime. That's how jurisprudence work. Law can't do anyhing even if he has murdered Martin without enough provocation. Even if you all you say is right, the law does not consider self-defense when the other person is unarmed and you are There was a case recently in Florida , where Marissa Alexander was being hit badly by her husband and was on the verge of being killed. She got her hand on a shot gun and shot. A warning shot which didn't even hit him and hit a wall. She got 20 years in prison despite her lawyer using stand your ground and self defense as excuse. Think of that, 20 years for firing a shot gun which didn't even hit anyone And yes, she was black http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/19/marissa-alexander-gets-20_n_1530035.html
CSK Fan Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 If its Bkackman who killed a white no one should have even bothered. See the case above. Black woman gets 20 years for shooting a warning shot in self defense. And no, black men are put in jail for the flimsiest of reasons, no black man has ever walked for killing a white man
bulbul Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 See the case above. Black woman gets 20 years for shooting a warning shot in self defense. And no' date=' black men are put in jail for the flimsiest of reasons, no black man has ever walked for killing a white man[/quote'] I am saying no one should have created this much ruckus,including President. Are you saying all the white people who killed black people left free? In this they have to free him because if insufficient evidence & law of Florida.
CSK Fan Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 On The Killing Of Trayvon Martin By George Zimmerman I interrupt your regularly scheduled programming to offer some thoughts on the verdict of innocent for George Zimmerman: 1.) Last year -- after Zimmerman was arrested -- I wrote something hoping that he would be convicted. A commenter wrote in to object, saying that arguing for his arrest was justifiable. Arguing for his conviction was not. I acknowledged the point at the time. The wisdom of it seems even more appropriate today. 2.) I think the jury basically got it right. The only real eyewitness to the death of Trayvon Martin was the man who killed him. At no point did I think that the state proved second degree murder. I also never thought they proved beyond a reasonable doubt that he acted recklessly. They had no ability to counter his basic narrative, because there were no other eye-witnesses. 3.) The idea that Zimmerman got out of the car to check the street signs, was ambushed by a 17-year old kid with no violent history who told him he "you're going to die tonight" strikes me as very implausible. It strikes me as much more plausible that Martin was being followed by a strange person, that the following resulted in a confrontation, that Martin was getting the best of Zimmerman in the confrontation, and that Zimmerman then shot him. But I didn't see the confrontation. No one else really saw the confrontation. Except George Zimmerman. I'm not even clear that situation I outlined would result in conviction. 4.) I think Andrew Cohen is right -- trials don't work as strict "moral surrogates." Everything that is immoral is not illegal--nor should it be. I want to live in a society that presumes innocence. I want to live in that society even when I feel that a person should be punished. 5.) I think you should read everything my friend Jelani Cobb has written about this case. 6.) I think the message of this episode is unfortunate. By Florida law, in any violent confrontation ending in a disputed act of lethal self-defense, without eye-witnesses, the advantage goes to the living. An intelligent, self-interested observer of this case, who happens to live in Florida, would not be wrong to do as George Zimmerman did -- buy a gun, master the finer points of Florida self-defense law, and then wait. 7.) Circling back to the first point, it's worth remembering that what caused a national outcry was not the possibility of George Zimmerman being found innocent, but that there would be no trial at all. This case was really unique because of what happend with the Sanford police. If you doubt this, ask yourself if you know the name "Jordan Davis." Then ask yourself how many protests and national media reports you've seen about him. http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/07/on-the-killing-of-trayvon-martin-by-george-zimmerman/277773/ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/19/marissa-alexander-gets-20_n_1530035.html Something really fked up there
CSK Fan Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 I am saying no one should have created this much ruckus,including President. Are you saying all the white people who killed black people left free? In this they have to free him because if insufficient evidence & law of Florida. The case I mentioned was also in Florida. The woman didn't even hit the man, yet got 20 years. This much ruckus was caused because here was an unarmed kid, shot and killed by an armed man and police didn't even register a case. Police acted as judge and jury and declared him innocent. A ruckus would have created in any part of the world
bulbul Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 The case I mentioned was also in Florida. The woman didn't even hit the man, yet got 20 years. This much ruckus was caused because here was an unarmed kid, shot and killed by an armed man and police didn't even register a case. Police acted as judge and jury and declared him innocent. A ruckus would have created in any part of the world Any more details about the blackwoman case? Ruckus is going on even after Jury acquitted zimmermanSo now who is acting like judge/jury?
Swing_n_Speed Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 Wrong. He called 911 and the operator asked him not to follow the kid. He did so inspite of being told not to #1 Zimmerman called 911 and A civilian, non-emergency dispatcher said "you don't need to do that"(follow the kid) *after* Zimmerman had exited his truck. Zimmerman had no legal obligation to heed that advice. #2 Everything points to Zimmerman heeding that advice, and returning to the truck when the confrontation began. And since he stopped following Trayvon, its obvious how the two then made contact: Trayvon doubled back on him instead of continuing to his destination 800 or so feet away. If the prosecution could prove that Zimmerman pursued Martin, Zimmerman wouldn't have been free now!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin
ganeshran Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 #1 Zimmerman called 911 and A civilian, non-emergency dispatcher said "you don't need to do that" *after* Zimmerman had exited his truck. Zimmerman had no legal obligation to heed that advice. #2 Everything points to Zimmerman heeding that advice, and returning to the truck when the confrontation began. And since he stopped following Trayvon, its obvious how the two then made contact: Trayvon doubled back on him instead of continuing to his destination 800 or so feet away. If the prosecution could prove that Zimmerman pursued Martin, Zimmerman wouldn't have been free now!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin Who initiated the first meeting between Zimmermann and Martin. Are you saying that Zimmerman talked to 911, returned to his truck and did nothing and Martin (at this point completely unaware of Zimmerman's existence) started chasing him and beat him up. Really?
Swing_n_Speed Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 Who initiated the first meeting between Zimmermann and Martin. Are you saying that Zimmerman talked to 911' date=' returned to his truck and did nothing and Martin (at this point completely unaware of Zimmerman's existence) started chasing him and beat him up. Really?[/quote'] This is what went down in court that ultimately worked in Zimmerman's favor. Besides what makes you think that Martin was completely unaware of Zimmerman? The girl who testified clearly said that Martin suspected someone was following him. Zimmerman talked to 911 and was returning to his truck. It was Martin who initiated the confrontation with Zimmerman!! Hell man the girl even testified that she heard Martin ask Zimmerman something!! Where are you getting your info from? If Zimmerman was looking for trouble why would he call the cops? http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/NEWS/usaedition/2012-04-12-trayvon-cover-timeline_ST_U.htm
beetle Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 See the case above. Black woman gets 20 years for shooting a warning shot in self defense. And no' date=' black men are put in jail for the flimsiest of reasons, no black man has ever walked for killing a white man[/quote'] OJ Simpson? For killing his white wife.
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