James Anderson

[Ultimate_Game]

Steyn's got more swing and pace than Anderson and is equalliy or rather better than him in swinging conditions. The last time Steyn bowled on a pitch that had some swing, he nabbed a 6fer for 8 runs.

Steyn can sometime lose the radar and may not make the most of swinging conditions but Anderson is always on the ball. I hardly remember Anderson spraying the new ball or not making the most of swinging conditions.

[The Outsider]

Steyn's got more swing and pace than Anderson and is equalliy or rather better than him in swinging conditions. The last time Steyn bowled on a pitch that had some swing, he nabbed a 6fer for 8 runs.

I don't think there is much to choose between them at the moment. There is no doubt that Steyn is a more accomplished bowler over the span of their careers, but the level of control Anderson has currently is as good as any fast bowler ever - as I remarked in some other thread, his current bowling is right up there with Hadlee at his best, though Hadlee was a bit quicker.

[Old guy]

Steyn can sometime lose the radar and may not make the most of swinging conditions but Anderson is always on the ball. I hardly remember Anderson spraying the new ball or not making the most of swinging conditions.

lose radar when ? give me examples ? i can simply say this too that anderson can be totally ineffective on his off days seen it so many times . i jsut dont remember steyn losing radar i just dont he is always spot on when it swings pace is bit down but it swings from leg stump to off :hysterical:

[Old guy]

I don't think there is much to choose between them at the moment. There is no doubt that Steyn is a more accomplished bowler over the span of their careers' date=' but the level of control Anderson has currently is as good as any fast bowler ever - as I remarked in some other thread, his current bowling is right up there with Hadlee at his best, though Hadlee was a bit quicker.[/quote'] i can agree that when anderson is at his best he can be as lethal as steyn.. but that is not what defines better bowler that way ponting will be better than tendulkar.. anderson can be bit hit and miss even during the same year. last year he could not pick wickets against south africa ,only threatening bowler was finn who was losing rhythm again n again cos of hitting stumps :cantstop: anyway ,do u agree that steyn has control issues? or anderson is more lethal under good conditions ? cos i have seen some freakish spells by steyn which no bowler today can match.. philander came close if u just look at amount of wickets taken but when steyn is at his best just like anderson is now he picks 5-6 wickets for no runs in one spell..

[The Outsider]

i can agree that when anderson is at his best he can be as lethal as steyn.. but that is not what defines better bowler that way ponting will be better than tendulkar.. anderson can be bit hit and miss even during the same year last year he could not pick wickets against south africa only threatening bowler was finn who was losing rhythm again n again cos of hitting stumps :cantstop: anyway do u agree that steyn has control issues? or anderson is more lethal under good conditions ? cos i have seen some freakish spells by steyn which no bowler today can match.. philander came close if u just look at amount of wickets taken but when steyn is at his best just like anderson is now he picks 5-6 wickets for no runs in one spell..

No, I don't think Steyn has any issues with control. I am not going to demean Steyn to say that Anderson is right up there with an all time great bowler at the moment. He is currently in the patch where Zaheer was a few years back for around a couple of years - as good as Akram at his peak, but of course Akram did it over a much longer time frame than Zaheer.

[Old guy]

No' date=' I don't think Steyn has any issues with control. I am not going to demean Steyn to say that Anderson is right up there with an all time great bowler at the moment. He is currently in the patch where Zaheer was a few years back for around a couple of years - as good as Akram at his peak, but of course Akram did it over a much longer time frame than Zaheer.[/quote'] yeah..anderson to me is bit better than zack cos of better fitness.. he even improved bowling with older ball and is bowling reverse swing just like zack used to. it shows that he is still learning and improving every season. imo he is much better bowler then he was against australia in last ashes and after picking 300 odd test wickets its bloody impressive and i hope some of our bowlers learn from him :hatsoff:

[The Outsider]

yeah..anderson to me is bit better than zack cos of better fitness.. he even improved bowling with older ball and is bowling reverse swing just like zack used to. it shows that he is still learning and improving every season. imo he is much better bowler then he was against australia in last ashes and after picking 300 odd test wickets its bloody impressive and i hope some of our bowlers learn from him :hatsoff:

The most impressive aspect of Anderson's bowling that I find is not his swing, but his control. Like Hadlee he can keep bowling the same corridor ball after ball, day after day. Leaving comparisons with Steyn aside, what he does is truly remarkable. If you watched the test it would be obvious that the game looked completely different when he was bowling as opposed to when Broad, Pattinson, Siddle etc. were bowling.

[Old guy]

The most impressive aspect of Anderson's bowling that I find is not his swing' date=' but his control. Like Hadlee he can keep bowling the same corridor ball after ball, day after day. Leaving comparisons with Steyn aside, what he does is truly remarkable. If you watched the test it would be obvious that the game looked completely different when he was bowling as opposed to when Broad, Pattinson, Siddle etc. were bowling.[/quote'] he is much much better than other bowlers of england i watched most of his spells but missed lot of this test too cos i was sick but some how was able to catch big moments :cantstop: and about accuracy to me credit for that has to go to fitness and experience. im glad he is bowling so well ..last few years bowling standard has gotten little better.. i dont know ..i think era of those west indies type bowlers will never come again most good bowlers today have one thing in common and that is accuracy i think most bowlers will follow this type of bowling in future ..maybe its bcos of pitches or maybe it just smarter way of bowling but its awesome to see bowler with temperament working over batsmen with patience :--D

[Old guy]

btw anderson lately in subcontinent to me has bowler as good as steyn.. wish zack remained fit like him :(( u urself said rest of bowlers are not as good as him i think its same situation here we need one leader of attack and when he got injured we suffered .. im sure england will struggle without anderson not bcos of lack of talent but bcos this is the guy they turn to to get wickets when no one else is getting and to control the game.

[The Outsider]

he is much much better than other bowlers of england i watched most of his spells but missed lot of this test too cos i was sick but some how was able to catch big moments :cantstop: and about accuracy to me credit for that has to go to fitness and experience im glad he is bowling so well ..last few years bowling standard has gotten little better.. i dont know ..i think era of those west indies type bowlers will never come again most good bowlers today have one thing in common and that is accuracy i think most bowlers will follow this type of bowling in future ..maybe its bcos of pitches or maybe it just smarter way of bowling but its awesome to see bowler with temperament working over batsmen with patience :--D

Not only English bowlers - he is on a different level than any Australian bowler as well, IMO. The "clouderson" thing might be funny and a good time pass, but people who seriously believe that he is only effective in certain conditions are way off the base. Yeah, none of the all time great West Indian fast bowlers were swing bowlers like Anderson maybe Holding but he was much quicker than Anderson, but many other bowlers have been primarily swing bowlers like Akram, Hadlee, and Imran, even Steyn in recent times.

[The Outsider]

btw anderson lately in subcontinent to me has bowler as good as steyn.. wish zack remained fit like him :(( u urself said rest of bowlers are not as good as him i think its same situation here we need one leader of attack and when he got injured we suffered .. im sure england will struggle without anderson not bcos of lack of talent but bcos this is the guy they turn to to get wickets when no one else is getting and to control the game.

He bowled brilliantly in India - Steyn has also done very well in India. The game looks completely different to me when Anderson is bowling as opposed to a Broad or Pattinson - that for me is a sign of a player right up there with the all time greats of the game.

[Old guy]

Not only English bowlers - he is on a different level than any Australian bowler as well, IMO. The "clouderson" thing might be funny and a good time pass, but people who seriously believe that he is only effective in certain conditions are way off the base. Yeah, none of the all time great West Indian fast bowlers were swing bowlers like Anderson maybe Holding but he was much quicker than Anderson, but many other bowlers have been primarily swing bowlers like Akram, Hadlee, and Imran, even Steyn in recent times.

yeah obviously he is better than australian bowlers to me both starc and pattinson are too green... pattinson was doing rookie mistake with reverse swing as his inswingers were either too straight and out swingers too wide he did not hit the perfect area and starc has good yorker but he was just not threatening enough imo.. siddle did his usual stuff but anderson was always better than him. and that cloud jokes should have been killed after he helped england win in india just a few months ago :winky: he is different bowler now age wise too he should at his best and way he keeps on adding new tricks im sure he will keep improving even after this .. should pick up 400 wickets for sure steyn should go for 500:--D

[Old guy]

He bowled brilliantly in India - Steyn has also done very well in India. The game looks completely different to me when Anderson is bowling as opposed to a Broad or Pattinson - that for me is a sign of a player right up there with the all time greats of the game.

broad and pattinson are both over rated so its no surprise to me.. i will still want him to pick wickets against soild batting line up like south africa.. unfortunately for him he struggled when australia were good and struggled last year against south africa and people do notice these things and will hold it against him imo to me on his day or during good series he can be very lethal like styen but in between he just looks ordinary for no real reason.. did u see series last summer aginst south africa? what was he doing different back then ?

[The Outsider]

broad and pattinson are both over rated so its no surprise to me.. i will still want him to pick wickets against soild batting line up like south africa.. unfortunately for him he struggled when australia were good and struggled last year against south africa and people do notice these things and will hold it against him imo to me on his day or during good series he can be very lethal like styen but in between he just looks ordinary for no real reason.. did u see series last summer aginst south africa? what was he doing different back then ?

I don't think he was completely fit during the series - yeah I know once you are on the field, fitness cannot be used as a reason for poor performance, and I am not using it as an excuse, rather an explanation of his poor performance in that series.

[Old guy]

I don't think he was completely fit during the series - yeah I know once you are on the field' date=' fitness cannot be used as a reason for poor performance, and I am not using it as an excuse, rather an explanation of his poor performance in that series.[/quote'] i guess..all bowlers did looked down on pace too ..also pitches were flatter as they did not wanted south african bowlers to get help.. probably is combination of fitness,better batting line up and pitches even rkt kept in saying they were not pumped up for this series like last year against us so its not jsut u who noticed this injury ..

[The Outsider]

i guess..all bowlers did looked down on pace too ..also pitches were flatter as they did not wanted south african bowlers to get help.. probably is combination of fitness,better batting line up and pitches even rkt kept in saying they were not pumped up for this series like last year against us so its not jsut u who noticed this injury ..

Yeah, the pitches were surely flatter and the South African batting was on a different level than the current Australian batting. Anyhow, time to hit bed now - way beyond my staying up time of 9:30.

[bulbul]

Keeping comparsions aside , have to apreciate Anderson how he handled the pressure situation. It's not easy to bowl when rest of your collegues bowling garbage.

[Old guy]

Yeah' date=' the pitches were surely flatter and the South African batting was on a different level than the current Australian batting. Anyhow, time to hit bed now - way beyond my staying up time of 9:30.[/quote'] haha..later! my routine is messed up but i guess in college days its normal :--D take care, night!

[rkt.india]

I think it is important not to bowl him when it is unnecessary. If the three others are doing damage' date=' then keep Anderson off. I think that is the clever way to keep him rested. He bowled so well and the wicket of Haddin was pure skill with an old-school off-cutter. You do not see them bowled these days but the English adapted to the dry pitch and he got the wicket because the ball turned.[/quote'] That was not an off cutter, ball was reversing and tat ball was bowled with seam pointing towards batsman and came in after pitching, not an off cutter.

[rkt.india]

I don't think there is much to choose between them at the moment. There is no doubt that Steyn is a more accomplished bowler over the span of their careers' date=' but the level of control Anderson has currently is as good as any fast bowler ever - as I remarked in some other thread, his current bowling is right up there with Hadlee at his best, though Hadlee was a bit quicker.[/quote'] Yes. Anderson is at his peak in terms of bowling, but not in terms of pace. He has lost quite a bit of pace over the years. Now his peak pace is around 87-88 mph (a few balls around that), averaging around 84 mph. While in 2007 on India;s tour to England his peak pace was around 91 mph(more deliveries at around 90 mph) and was more consistent in terms of maintaining his pace.