Che

[Gambit]

http://specials.rediff.com/news/2007/oct/05sld1.htm Noble revolutionary or mass murderer? What do you think of him?

[gorah_pindu]

Just another partisan in the end. But the rebel is more glamerous than the politician.

[Bongosamaj]

The beginning of understanding Che Guevara is to watch/read 'Motorcycle Diaries'. Personally, i admire the man, even though his ideas were a bit radical and anti-freedom near the end. Simply because, how often do you see a super-rich brat giving it all up because of him being moved deeply by the suffering of the poor and the underclass ? Che to me is a special case, seperate from the Castros, Lenin, Stallin, Mao of the world because unlike them, Che did not come from a dirt-poor family opressed by the plutocrats and he didnt come from a position of inherent hatred towards the rich. He came from one of the richest families in Argentina and it was simply the suffering of the common man in Latin America during the 30s & 40s that stunned him into giving up his riches and questing for betterment of the poor. That definitely is a noble trait.

[kumble_rocks]

The great friedrich Nietzshe once said " He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.” Very true for some revolutionaries although Che maybe an exception.

[Bongosamaj]

Well said KR. Neitzche was truely an amazing thinker. If it were up to me, i'd make Neitzche mandatory reading in all high schools- it is remarkable to see how much of neitzche's core philosophy is similar to the core philosophy of hinduism/buddhism/jainism, even though Neitzche would probably have been very p!ssed off at the hindus for mind-numbing stupidity of ritualism, meaningless worship and caste system and he'd have poked fun at the buddhists for considering Buddha to be a God and at the Jains for thinking that ultimate salvation lies in ultimate avoidance of materialism.

[kumble_rocks]

Well said KR. Neitzche was truely an amazing thinker. If it were up to me' date= i'd make Neitzche mandatory reading in all high schools- it is remarkable to see how much of neitzche's core philosophy is similar to the core philosophy of hinduism/buddhism/jainism, even though Neitzche would probably have been very p!ssed off at the hindus for mind-numbing stupidity of ritualism, meaningless worship and caste system and he'd have poked fun at the buddhists for considering Buddha to be a God and at the Jains for thinking that ultimate salvation lies in ultimate avoidance of materialism.

Got to agree . He is my favorite !:two_thumbs_up:

[Gaurav]

Well said KR. Neitzche was truely an amazing thinker. If it were up to me' date=' i'd make Neitzche mandatory reading in all high schools-[b'] it is remarkable to see how much of neitzche's core philosophy is similar to the core philosophy of hinduism/buddhism/jainism, even though Neitzche would probably have been very p!ssed off at the hindus for mind-numbing stupidity of ritualism, meaningless worship and caste system and he'd have poked fun at the buddhists for considering Buddha to be a God and at the Jains for thinking that ultimate salvation lies in ultimate avoidance of materialism.

Let's not get too carried away CC :D As far as Che is concerned I have mixed feelings about him. First I was a fan then not ...but now I am neutral and just don't care! Btw I did the whole Che T.shirt thing and 1st of May march :finger: Those were such innocent days :mama:

[Bongosamaj]

Let's not get too carried away

I don't think i am getting carried away. Maybe you can tell us why Neitzche's core philosophy is not similar to Hinduism/Buddhism/Jainism, since the books of his I've read ' Thus spake Zarusthara', 'Beyond Good and Evil' and 'The Anti-Christ', he virulently opposes the absolutist philosophy of Christianity (which is very similar to Islam) and sometimes openly praises 'eastern Philosophy', though his experience with that was limited.

tw I did the whole Che T.shirt thing and 1st of May march

You are a good man, Gaurav.

[Gaurav]

I was trying to provoke you to see if you really were CC . Your reply was very short by CC standards so I am kind of confused now:hysterical: I hope you are CC as he is/was an alright guy ( in his own way). Yes you are right about Neitzche. He was reasonably open to Eastern philosophy MINUS the hocus pocus stuff. Poor guy went loco maybe from all the thinking :confused_smile: I also think too much and I get the feeling that I am going mad :eyedance: I just let off an evil fart. Now the mental asylum warden will shout at me and put me in solitary confinement. They pump me with mind numbing pills here.

You are a good man, Gaurav.

That is what my fellow patients say as well. Edit_ Are you CC? PM me if you don't want to say publicly.

[coffee_rules]

Bump....Look at our desi scene ...trying to find heroes...elsewhere. In the land of heroes like Subhash Chandra Bose/Swami Vivekananda.. I think it is more of a fashion statement. I have seen Latino pop stars in US wearing Che T-shirts. It is more of message. The other day I saw Akshay Kumar/Vivek Oberoi wearing a Che T-shirt. Why? Why is Che important for Kolkatans? Not SRK, we love Che! By: Tushar Joshi October 29, 2007 Channel [V] has put up posters all over Kolkata saying ‘Shah Rukh Khan is not King’ based on research for a new show

Not His ‘Khan’dom: The hoarding all across Kolkata which says SRK IS NOT KING in the city

THE KING AND I: Shah Rukh Khan

We don’t know if it’s a publicity stunt or merely an attempt to grab attention for a new show, but Channel [V] has put up hoardings all across Kolkata proclaiming ‘Shah Rukh is not King.’ And now they are planning to do the same in Mumbai. Cannot help but wonder if this has anything to do with SRK tying up with their rivals MTV for his home production Om Shanti Om. What’s popular? According to a Channel [V] source, it’s not. He says “It’s part of the My India report where six reporters travelled across the country and talked to locals and got their views on what’s popular, what gets them ticking and the most debated topics in their cities. Kartik, one such reporter who covered the city of Kolkata, says that Che Guevara came out tops over SRK. “There’s no doubt that Che is miles ahead of Shah Rukh in terms of popularity in the city. There isn’t any competition between the two. We spoke to around 150 people in Kolkata who were besotted by Che and his ideology. In fact, you won’t find a single college in the city where boys and girls aren’t wearing T-shirts, sling bags or bandanas with his face printed on them.” Talking about the hoardings he says, “We are merely stating on the billboards what our research has proven. There’s no attempt to take any dig at Shah Rukh.” Who is Che Guevara? Ernesto Guevara de la Serna, commonly known as Che Guevara, El Che or just Che was an Argentine-born Marxist revolutionary, political figure, and leader of Cuban and internationalist guerrillas. As a young man studying medicine, Guevara travelled throughout South America, which brought him into direct contact with the impoverished conditions in which many people lived. His experiences and observations during these trips led him to the conclusion that the region’s socio-economic inequalities could only be remedied by socialism through revolution, prompting him to intensify his study of Marxism. After serving in various important posts and writing a number of articles and books on the theory and practice of guerrilla warfare, Guevara was summarily executed by the Bolivian Army in the town of La Higuera near Vallegrande on October 9, 1967

[Lurker]

Hahaha...Good one CA. The irony is that the poster came up in West Bengal, a state that has perhaps given us more heroes than any other!!