If a selection fails, is it wrong?

[Sooda]

Out of the blue selections that i can recall are Unadkat Ganguly Ishant Parthiv . In 2000s under-19 cricket started gaining importance. Lot of young guys were picked based on under-19. .

Indeed. Of those 'out of the blue' picks youve named only Ganguly was not picked based on U19s. You can add Virat, Irfan Pathan, Yuvraj Singh, Kaif, Piyush, R P Singh to an extent...more Im sure... all these guys were picked mainly based on U19 success with little FC cricket. So gut feel decisions you would have to say. If the criteria is that these guys should have had a few years of success at least then youd have to say results have been mixed. Although some guys did have initial success which suggests that perhaps theyre selection in itself wasnt flawed but the management thereafter was. The selectors have got it right with the batsmen for the most part I guess. I always thought these guys were too young and didnt deserve a spot at the time they were selected! Even with Virat. There is a case for saying had the pacemen like Ishant had a year or two of FC cricket they would have come to the Indian side 'rreadier' with a set technique and not making the lots of changes etc that have led to their falling by the wayside.

[Ghost Buster]

In ranji's getting an batting avg above 50 is not a big deal becoz of the flat pitches & inferior bowlers. Rahane has around 60avg in first class but still not accomplished. Even a player like jadeja scored 3 triples that shows the lack of quality in first class. Selection shld not always be based on runs scored & wkts taken but looking for the talent in the player and how mentally tough he is.

[MCcricket]

In ranji's getting an batting avg above 50 is not a big deal becoz of the flat pitches & inferior bowlers. Rahane has around 60avg in first class but still not accomplished. Even a player like jadeja scored 3 triples that shows the lack of quality in first class. Selection shld not always be based on runs scored & wkts taken but looking for the talent in the player and how mentally tough he is.

Agree talent, potential, team dynamics and working towards making a stronger unit with better backup, I basically look at a player and think does he have the game to player at a higher level or is he a Badrinath, selecting a good talent doesn't mean instant success ala Attapattu Rohit , but you cannot hold selectors accountable on punting on talent n potential IF SELECTORS SELECT Bhardwaj, Unadkat, VK THEN YOU KNOW SOMETHING IS WRONG EITHER THEY R RELENTING TO EXT PRESSURE OR QUOTA SYSTEM AS THEY DONT HAVE THE TALENT POTENTIAL OR MENTAL STRENGTH TO MAKE IT ABOVE rANJI LEVEL AND IS A WASTE OF TIME.

[youngindia]

The disucssions here are of a lower level than what's desired. Considering the issue at hand,its like you have to look at the architecture and design ,not day to day operations. who did this what in 2005 and who did this in 2010 is not going to give you the big picture. an efficient system will identify prospects early,invest them and provide them the environment to realise their potential. right now metros are undoubtedly predominant in producing the super stars. which means many tier 2 cities and villages are not up to the mark. evem within big cities, some schools and academies have more advantage than others while "releasing potential" has too many variables, we have to bank on some prospects succeeding and some others failing...but the set of prospects identified has to be the best available. even in the better sporting advanced countries, there are example of failed talents. it cannot be avoided and is part of the game. if not life, however you dont' want a case like indian fast bowling where anyone struggles to succeed even decently.that show the system is not up to the mark, also look at how many juniors we get from the u19 to the senior team in batting.it show the system is in good health here.albeit not in all areas of the country.brazil can get superstars even far away from rio or brasilia. that's not the case with indian batting. if you want more than 10 Olympic gold medals, "talent identification and nurturing system" has to be good.there are no two ways about it. talent spotting has to be of a very high standard and only a minor % of ppl can do it even decently. is the desing of the system good?

[youngindia]

Then the role of "seasoning". you go through the grind of ranji,list a and A tours before you get your debut test. but the best players often get chances early and leapfrog the queue.e.g sachin even with Australia, their best players border, greg chapell,steve waugh,ponting and Clarke all got their debut test early.which is not the case with many of the others who either had to wait till 30 or were dropped for failures earlier.they were willing to drop martyn or hayden but not ponting. ponting always had preference over many others rohit also has been lucky with the number of chances he got compared to many others. a few will leapfrog the queue but others like Vijay or dhawan has to go through the grind.