alexander Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 Is the lady diplomat in question a hottie? Pics please. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crookbond Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 I would trust the Indian govt over the American govt in a case involving Indian citizens. Just like I do it in the case of Indian govt over pakistan, china etc. Plus I have shown you an example of US lying blatantly about retro-active immunity which it granted a Saudi Prince and was upheld by a US court, but since an Indian official is involved they are denying it. So forget about past cases, even in this case US is LYING!! Another logical fallacy - "Proof By Example" aka generalization. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crookbond Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Devyani Khobragade had full diplomatic immunity at the time of arrest Why she didn’t tell NY cops she had immunity from arrest Read more at: http://www.firstpost.com/world/khobragade-row-why-she-didnt-tell-ny-cops-she-had-immunity-from-arrest-1318705.html?utm_source=ref_article Several crucial questions still remain unanswered in the Devyani Khobragade incident. The million dollar question is this: why she did not tell the police officers who came to arrest her in New York on 12 December that she enjoyed full diplomatic immunity? Devyani was actually covered under full diplomatic immunity at the time of her arrest and it turns out there are documents to prove it. (Please see the attached document and the relevant section of the Viena Convention) The reason the diplomat didn't disclose it was that she herself was not aware of the fact she had been actually accredited as an “Advisor†to the Permanent Mission of India (PMI) in New York with effect from 26 August 2013. Inquiries conducted by this writer from diplomatic channels have revealed that neither Devyani nor the Ministry of External Affairs was aware of this vital fact on 12 December, the day of her arrest. :hysterical: She had registered with the UN for her PMI accreditation and forgotten about it. The MEA too did not discover this till the incident exploded in the face of the Government of India after her arrest. After the high-octane diplomatic spat that was triggered between India and the United States, the Government of India promptly issued an executive order transferring Devyani to the PMI so that she gets full diplomatic immunity. This was New Delhi’s desperate fire-fighting measure to respond to the American provocation. But till this time, neither Devyani nor the MEA seemed to be aware that her earlier registration with the UN had already met with success and she was covered by complete diplomatic immunity at the time of the ignominious developments on 12 December. Insiders reveal that after the Indian government transferred her to the PMI (so that she can get complete diplomatic immunity) she went about the task of doing the paper work. At that stage, she realized that she had already sent in an application for the same purpose several months before and her photo and her coordinates should be in the UN database. It was at that point of time that Devyani realised that not only she had applied to the UN but the fact that her application had been already accepted. This explains why Devyani did not claim full diplomatic immunity at the time of her arrest and subsequent incarceration. The diplomat's second big mistake was that she did not carefully study the form her domestic help Sangeeta Richard had submitted wherein she had filled $ 4500 as her monthly salary, whereas this figure was meant to represent Devyani’s salary. :hatsoff: In retrospect, Devyani finds herself in the snake pit because of these two mistakes which eventually cost her dearly. It s thanks to these mistakes that her passport is deposited with the New York court, which means that though she is free to travel anywhere in the US, she cannot leave the country. The incident also throws up important lessons for the Indian government. Perhaps the most important lesson is that the Government of India needs to work out an institutionalised mechanism ensuring that all domestic helps and non-diplomatic staff are hired by the Indian government rather than by individual officers. This is the most effective solution, but it does not find favour with the Ministry of Finance which has been blocking it. The finance ministry’s objection is that if the Government of India were to enter into contracts with non-diplomatic staff meant to serve Indian diplomats abroad, then this might lead to a situation where these employees would extract their pound of flesh and press claims for facilities that are for full-fledged Government of India servants. In such a scenario, there seems to be confusion all around on the status of India Based Domestic Assistants (IBDA). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crookbond Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 U.S. judge denies request for delay in Indian diplomat case http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/09/us-india-usa-diplomat-idUSBREA0715H20140109 Bowling, Beer Curbed for U.S. Expats as India Row Goes On http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-08/bowling-to-beer-curbed-for-u-s-expats-amid-india-diplomat-row.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhunaeh Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Nobody is targeting the american expats. It is not like acsa is the only place in delhi for expats to get their booze and entertainment. There are many ways to tell a story and the american media for whatever reason have chosen a certain way leaving out some parts, while highlighting the other and painting a certain picture.Here's the Indian side of the story. Additional booze for US diplomats to dry up NEW DELHI: With their recreation centres asked to down shutters, US diplomats may even find the supply of booze drying up. In another move meant to check commercial activities on US embassy premises, the government has asked US authorities to draw upon duty-free items such as alcoholic beverages and cigarettes for their own personnel and not from the quotas meant for diplomats of others missions. All recreation centres - or commercial activities as India describes them - on US embassy premises were being run by American Community Support Association (ACSA). What seems to have upset Indian authorities is that ACSA was also drawing duty-free alcohol from quotas meant for diplomats of third countries in Delhi on the ground that these diplomats too were members of ACSA. It is understood that ACSA was previously acquiring duty-free items on behalf of about 40 missions on grounds that the membership of ACSA was drawn from these missions too. "However, in reality much of the quotas were being diverted for sale to non-diplomatic members of ACSA. Henceforth every diplomatic mission will only be allowed to import individually and directly," said a source. The ACSA membership guidelines for diplomats from third countries says the applicant must fully understand that the goods sold by the Association are brought into the country duty-free under the terms provided in the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations granted by the Government of India. "The applicant must recognize that these duty-free goods are for the personal use of self and eligible family members and these goods may not be sold, bartered, or traded and that any violation of this policy could lead to disciplinary action and/ or loss of ACSA privileges," it says. It is interesting that the state department's own Office of Inspector General pointed to irregularities in procurement of alcohol and monthly rations by the US embassy in a 2011 report. "The primary issue with ACSA is the need to establish better controls on purchases of alcoholic beverages and tobacco," it said. "The OIG team reviewed the liquor and tobacco purchase records and found that more than 20 per cent of ACSA customers exceeded their monthly rations," it added. According to official sources, US diplomats here and other cities in India have always enjoyed a high degree of non-reciprocal privileges and facilitation. These include tax free treatment of their nationals working in the American embassy school in New Delhi; extra privileges and immunities for their consulate officials at their consulates in Calcutta, Mumbai, Chennai and Hyderabad; approvals for extra staffing, including the deputation of short-term "extra staff" for deployment in the embassy which are usually extended repeatedly and become regular one to two year postings effectively. PS:Note how the target of Indian retaliation changes from US diplomats to US expats in different articles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackMamba Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Devyani Leaves US She has left US after being granted Immunity. Gayee -- yeh tho. Bhaag Gayee! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 She has left US after being granted Full Diplomatic Immunity by the US state department.Paratha Bharta says charges pending but she cannot be brought to court to face them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gs Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Wonder if the public spat between the 2 foreign/state dept offices really worth it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackMamba Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 gs: Yes worth it. Absolutely worth it. Both the Govts. were shown their respective places. India for its part will be careful about sending Naukars to USA (or for that matter any other country). I mean WTF, so what if she is a diplomat, wash your own dishes. And if somebody does not want to come here, I am sure we will find enough people who will be willing to come here and do that. And US for its part, who is used to taking things for granted, will be very very careful. And now their diplomats will be wary of things, more mindful of local laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moumotta Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Its going to be the longest New York- Mumbai flight she would ever take. I hope sometime during this flight she goes through the phase that every growing up young girl has to face in her life- the realisation that Daddy is not the all-powerful superman who can fix any problem. That ultimately everyone is responsible for their own actions even if they left all judgements to Daddy. I do feel for her family though, poor girls (and hubby) separated from mum due to grandpa’s stupid arrogance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Source? I don't see any articles about she leaving US , yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nballa Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 the concept of 'maid' in usa is stupidly expensive, thats why indians bring their mother-in-laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FischerTal Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 the concept of 'maid' in usa is stupidly expensive' date=' thats why indians bring their mother-in-laws.[/quote'] nalla knows from experience :cantstop: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nballa Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 nalla knows from experience :cantstop: its nballa, and im not married. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FischerTal Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 its nballa' date=' and [b']im not married. thats such a surprise :omg: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 No apology came and we haven't yet thrown one of theirs in lock up and subjected to custodial harrassment. Hope this doesn't mean closure to indian govt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexander Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 she really 39? She is ugly. I heard they gave her a cavity search. :haha: Hope it didnt stink the room out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 She is ugly. I heard they gave her a cavity search. :haha: Hope it didnt stink the room out. The skin of many white people stinks(like decaying flesh) irrespective of whether they are old or young, look ugly or beautiful. Sorry about that but I am being honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexander Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 The skin of many white people stinks(like decaying flesh) irrespective of whether they are old or young, look ugly or beautiful. Sorry about that but I am being honest. Racist. I was referring to the cavity search. I said she was ugly. Lots of Indian/Pakistani women are pretty. She is not. You made a general comment against an entire race. :omg: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moumotta Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Here is a story that might cheer up some of the hard liners. Some years back, a car with a diplomatic number plate jumped a traffic light in Delhi. The police inspector gave chase on his motor bike and asked the driver to stop but was ignored. He kept chasing it until the car had to stop behind other cars at the next traffic light. Out stepped a foreign diplomat with his passport held open for the inspector to see that he had diplomatic status. This is where it becomes interesting, and justice desi style. The haryanavi police inspector slapped the diplomat hard. Then he looked at his passport, carefully folded it back and returned it to him with ‘Thank You very much Sir, you can go’. Don't know if it is a true story. I heard it from some one who heard it from some one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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