bulbul Posted April 19, 2014 Posted April 19, 2014 Good' date=' because the opinion in post#2275 applies to you to. Good to know that I wont be getting requests for watching videos from you.[/quote'] I am requesting you..plz watch the vidoe,atleast twice
adi B Posted April 19, 2014 Posted April 19, 2014 I am requesting you..plz watch the vidoe' date='atleast twice [/quote'] why would he watch?his dear leader is lambasted,serious allegations have been made by 1 of their own founder on his so called saint party,questions have been raised on their party funding methods,anarchist nature of the party high command and many more. as blind bhakt of the party,why would the AAPies watch it :dontknow: another 2-3 days vanwaas on the cards
ganeshran Posted April 19, 2014 Author Posted April 19, 2014 Here is a video that Modi bhakts should watch... mfnTl_Fwvbo
Sachin=GOD Posted April 19, 2014 Posted April 19, 2014 Here is a video that Modi bhakts should watch... mfnTl_Fwvbo did you watch the AAP video I had posted?
ganeshran Posted April 19, 2014 Author Posted April 19, 2014 did you watch the AAP video I had posted? I replied on the AAM Aadmi Party thread. Please post the allegations here, let's discuss them and what all proofs have been provided by the interviewee.
Sachin=GOD Posted April 19, 2014 Posted April 19, 2014 I replied on the AAM Aadmi Party thread. Please post the allegations here' date=' let's discuss them and what all proofs have been provided by the interviewee.[/quote'] Did the Aam Aadmi Party offer any proof when it came out with its list of corrupt/criminal politicians against whom they were to have candidates? They've calling every Tom, Dick and Harry an "Ambani Agent" - did they offer proof for any of that? Since running away from Delhi they have been saying that there was a conspiracy by BJP/Cong to make their Govt fall - have they offered any proof? They've been making some wild allegations against BJP leaders - have they offered any proof? Also, if suppose a Cong member had come out with some allegations against the Cong then AAP would have accepted all his allegations as being as credible as a Supreme Court verdict but now that a co founder of their own party has come out and made some very serious allegations then they suddenly remember a thing called "proof". IMO there should be an investigation to find out truth behind these allegations.
ganeshran Posted April 19, 2014 Author Posted April 19, 2014 Did the Aam Aadmi Party offer any proof when it came out with its list of corrupt/criminal politicians against whom they were to have candidates? They've calling every Tom, Dick and Harry an "Ambani Agent" - did they offer proof for any of that? Since running away from Delhi they have been saying that there was a conspiracy by BJP/Cong to make their Govt fall - have they offered any proof? They've been making some wild allegations against BJP leaders - have they offered any proof? Also, if suppose a Cong member had come out with some allegations against the Cong then AAP would have accepted all his allegations as being as credible as a Supreme Court verdict but now that a co founder of their own party has come out and made some very serious allegations then they suddenly remember a thing called "proof". IMO there should be an investigation to find out truth behind these allegations. And that is why there is not a lot of discussion on these allegations. We all know most politicians are corrupt to the core, but they get away because either due to the lack of proof or the inefficacy of the judicial system. Yes, let there be an investigation. AAP is hardly running away from any investigation into their leaders' activities. Like the Kejriwaal tax allegations which turned out to be fake, or the foreign funding of the party of which BJP and Congress were found guilty.
adi B Posted April 19, 2014 Posted April 19, 2014 Here is a video that Modi bhakts should watch... mfnTl_Fwvbo posting such an old video eh.seedhi already gave the answer to the relevance of this video,these guys claims were false and modi never met that guy(SC already acknowledged this). http://www.gujaratriots.com/
ravishingravi Posted April 19, 2014 Posted April 19, 2014 Investigation by whom and how can one run away. Pls tell me under Indian law, which section allows you to run away and which authority conducted the investigation on AAP funding and gave clean chit.
ganeshran Posted April 19, 2014 Author Posted April 19, 2014 posting such an old video eh.seedhi already gave the answer to the relevance of this video,these guys claims were false and modi never met that guy(SC already acknowledged this). http://www.gujaratriots.com/ This is the guy who is convicted for the Gujarat riots and a leader of the Bajrang Dal, so he isn't a nobody. He is an active participant in the riots. Same with the gujarat MLA who corroborated the fact that Modi asked him to do what they want to do for 3 days and then stop. How were these claims proven false?
Sachin=GOD Posted April 19, 2014 Posted April 19, 2014 Investigation by whom and how can one run away. Pls tell me under Indian law' date=' which section allows you to run away and [b']which authority conducted the investigation on AAP funding and gave clean chit. I am assuming that Kejriwal would have done the investigation just like he did the investigation regarding Somnath Bharti's night raids and judged him to be completely innocent.
ravishingravi Posted April 19, 2014 Posted April 19, 2014 posting such an old video eh.seedhi already gave the answer to the relevance of this video,these guys claims were false and modi never met that guy(SC already acknowledged this). http://www.gujaratriots.com/ Gussa hai par stock khatam ho raha hai.
ravishingravi Posted April 19, 2014 Posted April 19, 2014 I am assuming that Kejriwal would have done the investigation just like he did the investigation regarding Somnath Bharti's night raids and judged him to be completely innocent. Something like internal Lokpal.
adi B Posted April 19, 2014 Posted April 19, 2014 This is the guy who is convicted for the Gujarat riots and a leader of the Bajrang Dal, so he isn't a nobody. He is an active participant in the riots. Same with the gujarat MLA who corroborated the fact that Modi asked him to do what they want to do for 3 days and then stop. How were these claims proven false? read the link i gave u.all questions regarding the riots and even the video has been answered with records. this video came out in 2007 by tehelka,SC too verified these claims and their links with modi was never established.modi never visited nadoya patkar nor he knew this babu guy,these guys were just boasting to claim they are important guys..records regarding CMs visits etc also verified and its clear that these guys in the video were lying (but they themselves were guilty). even seedhi answered about this videos few weeks back
ganeshran Posted April 19, 2014 Author Posted April 19, 2014 read the link i gave u.all questions regarding the riots and even the video has been answered with records. this video came out in 2007 by tehelka,SC too verified these claims and their links with modi was never established.modi never visited nadoya patkar nor he knew this babu guy,these guys were just boasting to claim they are important guys..records regarding CMs visits etc also verified and its clear that these guys in the video were lying (but they themselves were guilty). even seedhi answered about this videos few weeks back How exactly were the private meeting records disproved? The only proof could be the witness himself claiming them, a guy who was convicted by the Supreme court. There is corroborated by another MLA Haresh Bhatt who has an exact similar allegation - "we were allowed to do what we want for 3 days and then Modi asked us to stop, we stopped" Here is a piece by S Varadarajan which questioned why Modi promoted Kodnani, another accused who was convicted despite serious allegations against her. Forget riots apology Modi saheb, tell us about Kodnani instead If there are other potential interviewers in the queue after Madhu Kishwar, ETV, India TV and TV9 got their chance to serve us some rather tepid fare, please remember, the question to ask Narendra Modi is not 'why won't you apologise for the 2002 violence?' but this: 'How could you make Maya Kodnani a minister in 2007 when it was well-known that she had led the murderous mobs which killed dozens of innocent citizens in the Naroda-Patiya locality of Ahmedabad on February 28, 2002?' Kodnani's name came up in witness testimony immediately after the massacre ended. The fact that she was eventually convicted 10 years later came as no surprise to anyone in Gujarat. Even if the evidence required for the chargesheet was only gathered by 2009 thanks to the Supreme Court-monitored SIT, the facts about her involvement ought to have been known to Modi in December 2002, when he gave her a ticket to fight from the Naroda constituency, and in 2007, when he brought her into his cabinet. If they were not, this shows, at best, that his administration lacked basic administrative and intelligence gathering skills. And if they were, he needs to explain why he chose someone for the job of Minister for Women and Child development whom he knew had blood on her hands. The inclusion of Kodnani in the Modi cabinet should be questioned. To my mind, Rajiv Gandhi's Camelot was fatally compromised by the induction of HKL Bhagat and Jagdish Tytler as ministers in his government despite the credible allegations made by victims of the anti-Sikh pogrom in November 1984 that these Congress leaders were involved in the violence against them. To this day, the BJP denounces the Congress -- and rightly so, in my opinion -- whenever there is talk of even giving a ticket to Tytler (or Sajjan Kumar). In 2004, when Tytler was made a minister by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, senior BJP leaders like Arun Jaitley, LK Advani and Sushma Swaraj marched up to Rashtrapati Bhavan to demand his removal, as well as the ouster of other tainted ministers. Given the principled stand of his party in 2004, why did Modi induct Maya Kodnani three years later when the charges against her were no less grave than those against Tytler? Modi has also never been asked why his much-publicised and hyped televised appeal for calm on 28 February, 2002 failed to mention the Naroda-Patiya massacre which had started that morning and ended by the afternoon, or the Gulberg Society carnage -- in which even more people were killed than at Godhra. Here is what Modi said by way of an appeal that day. I am using the translation helpfully provided by Ms Madhu Kishwar in her book, Modi, Muslims and Media (emphasis as supplied by her): "The government of Gujarat is committed to the protection of all its citizens. Those who take law into their hands and destroy the lives of innocent people have no place in a civilized society. I share the grief of the people of Gujarat. Those who take law into their hands and destroy the lives of innocent people have no place in a civilized society. I share the grief of the people of Gujarat. For any humanist such an incident [i.e. Godhra train carnage: SV]would cause indescribable grief. But at the same time creating disturbances (ashanti) indiscipline and expressing outrage (akrosh) is not the solution. "Violating the law and venting your anger by indulging in riots cannot be tolerated in any civilized society. I understand your feelings but I pray to you that the need of the hour is to maintain peace and self-restraint. We are determined to punish those who have committed this crime. No one will escape their due punishment. Won’t you help the Government in saving Gujarat? Won’t you help us in maintaining peace and harmony? The Government of Gujarat appeals to you for help, appeals to you for shanti (peace) andsanyam (restraint/self-discipline). "In the midst of this akrosh (deep outrage) it is my humble request that in such a testing time Gujarat expects from you what it is best known for. There are numerous examples of how Gujarat has maintained peace and harmony during the most adverse of times. I want to remind you of this unique characteristic of Gujarat - of showing restraint and maintaining peace during adversities. Let us serve Gujarat by maintaining shanti and sanyam.Let us strengthen the arms of law. Let us create an atmosphere that will ensure the most severe punishment for the perpetrators of this heinous crime..." "I understand your anger and outrage, I understand your pain. And yet in the self-interest of Gujarat, and to ensure that we don’t jeopardize the future of Gujarat, that Gujarat doesn’t get a blot on its face/ carry a stigma connected with these times all the 5 crore Gujaratis need to keep calm and exercise self-restraint. "I also want to express my gratitude to you that in the midst of so much anger, out of 18000 village of Gujarat, disturbances have broken out only in a handful of villages. "By and large, there is any atmosphere of peace. However, the incidents that have occurred in the cities of Gujarat are disturbing. It is my request to you, tit for tat is not a solution. “Ver ver thi shamtu nathi†(Hatred is never won over by hatred)." Fine, stirring words, no doubt. But now let us see what he said about Godhra at the start of the same speech (here, the emphasis is provided by me): "Yesterday in Godhra an inhuman tragedy struck. More than 40 women and children were burnt to death. 18 men were also burnt alive. In all 58 people were trapped inside a rail bogie and mercilessly massacred by cannibals. Such a heinous crime will bring tears to the eyes of the most hard-hearted person. This devilish and inhuman act committed in the land of Gujarat cannot be tolerated/justified in any civilized society. This crime cannot be forgiven. I want to assure the people of Gujarat that something like this will never be tolerated. The culprits will be appropriately punished for the crime they have committed. Not only that, we will set an example so that in future no one will dare dream to commit such a heinous act." Now consider this. In Godhra, 58 people were killed "yesterday" and Modi described the perpetrators as "cannibals" and said they would be punished and made an example of. Nobody can argue with that. But he says nothing about what he will do to the perpetrators of "tit for tat" riots, "ashanti" and "indiscipline". For the killers of Naroda-Patiya and Gulberg Society -- who committed their crime the very day he was speaking -- he only issues an appeal for restraint, making no reference to these or other specific incidents. Had Modi also called them cannibals and warned that they would not only be "appropriately punished for the crime they have committed" but that his government "will set an example so that in future no one will dare dream to commit such a heinous act" a very different message would have gone out. The fact that the Godhra train attack was a single incident but what the state was now witnessing was a series of retaliatory attacks made it all the more necessary for his appeal to have threatened the strictest punishment for anyone rioting. The closest Modi got to saying this was that riots "cannot be tolerated by any civilised society." But any talk of "punishment" was confined to "this crime", i.e. the Godhra carnage alone. Could that be why the rioters took no heed of his appeal? In any case, it turns out the omission of any threat of punishment was not accidental. Yes, 170 people were killed in police firing but as the Hindustan Times's Ahmedabad reporter, Mahesh Langa, pithily summarised matters recently, the Gujarat government itself says the police killed more Muslims than Hindus. In May 2002, the HT's reporter, Vinay Menon cited confidential police figures which showed a similar skew. "The statistic substantiates the allegation," he wrote, "that not only did the local police not do anything to stop the mobs, they actually turned their guns on the helpless Muslim victims." As for the large number of people arrested, most of them Hindu rioters (many of whom were affiliated in one way or the other to extremist Hindutva outfits), the Modi government's failure to credibly prosecute them led to a series of speedy acquittals. If today, many of the criminals, including Ms Kodnani, have been convicted, this is all thanks to the Supreme Court which wisely concluded Narendra Modi could not be trusted to provide justice and handed charge of major cases to courts outside the state or an external SIT. Manoj Mitta's excellent book, The Fiction of Fact-Finding, provides a lot more information about the manner in which the same SIT eventually came to draw the line at Modi's culpability. It emerges, sadly, that the CBI's questioning of Modi was as incompetent as the exertions of some of the journalists who have interviewed him recently.
adi B Posted April 19, 2014 Posted April 19, 2014 ^just read the link man,all answers are presented(it'll take some time).scroll back in the modi thread ,seedhi has given the answer..the topic is quite old and i have forgotten the link to the question u have pointed.now its very difficult to find and i guess the SC found the video motivated
ravishingravi Posted April 19, 2014 Posted April 19, 2014 http://mirzhaywire.wordpress.com/2014/04/18/why-a-muslim-guy-like-me-would-vote-for-narendra-modi/ Kafir.
Alchemist Posted April 19, 2014 Posted April 19, 2014 http://mirzhaywire.wordpress.com/2014/04/18/why-a-muslim-guy-like-me-would-vote-for-narendra-modi/ Kafir. How dare he write this. Paid Blog :cantstop: A non secular muslim. :cantstop:
ganeshran Posted April 19, 2014 Author Posted April 19, 2014 The disgraceful game of equivalences So, a brave and ,blissfully, articulate woman, Priyamvada Gopal, wrote an article,(http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/14/narendra-modi-extremism-india) where she spells out why Modi's brutally shameless ascent to power should be condemned and fought against by the 'Britons committed to anti-fascism'. And, how does the world engage with her much-needed sensible viewpoint? Well, there are, by and large, two clans. One, the fanatics, the 'keyboard militias', as she puts it, "sexist, calling me 'ugly and brown'; others denounced me as a jihadi who was part of an Islamic takeover of the world. 'Idiot commie'; 'retarded *****'; 'white arselicking sepoy'; 'Congi-paid libtard'; 'anti-Hindu uneducated low-life rascal'...the list is amazing. One called for me to be subjected to Tarun Tejpal's fingers". According to me, these are the mundane ones. The most interesting, and those that must be dealt with seriously, types are those that of liberal 'lords', 'academics', 'technocrats' etc, like that of Lord Meghnad Desai, who wrote in Guardian (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/15/consolation-for-narendra-modi-critics), as a response to Priya's article, that "There are no winners and no sinners in this game. Muslims have suffered under the rule of every party in India". Essentially, diluting the indictment of Priya with his liberally neutral position. Many,thankfully, non-liberal comrades, have written fitting replies to Mr. Desai's disgusting arguments (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/17/narendra-modi-india-violence-elections), some of which were published. I too tried to channel my rage into a short rant which I quote below, "As soon as anyone, God forbid a muslim, condemns 2002 for the inhuman massacre it is, a group of flies come buzzing, (some fanatic , some liberal ) “ What about 1984? What about Muzaffarnagar? What about….â€, the list is never ending ( Such is the legacy of Hindu-stan). So, by this lens of ethical principle, one sin cancels the other. And His Holiness, Meghnad Desai,informs us, that there are no sinners in this what apparently is a ‘game’. This argument candidly peels open the façade of this never ending season of ‘Game of Equivalences’ ( Not many twists in this, though. It is mundanely predictable). Therefore, Modi is not a sinner because Rajiv Gandhi was behind 1984 riots, RSS is an epitome of peace because Shiv Sena was responsible for Mumbai riots… I wonder if Desai feels the same about massacres against other ethnicities. Maybe, Hitler is not a sinner because of the Crusades. How morally repulsive is this argument! “The Indian electors know all that Priyamvada Gopal tells us†- Where does Desai derive this authority to speak for the billion-odd Indian electors? Maybe, staying in Britain provides people with such keen insights and privileges. These sorts of equivalences are only put forward to dilute the deserved indictment of fascist Hindutva forces slowly ravaging the conscience of India, and to subtly contort the argument in favor of the very people guilty of the most heinous crimes. †Let them decide what they wish for themselves.†Thank you for this much-needed unsolicited advice. What is the need of you writing this response if we, the Indian electors, can decide for ourselves? Do you think somehow your opinion is stacked high in the hierarchy of relevance? How condescending can you really be? Modi has been accused of complicity in one of the most repugnant communal massacres this country has had the privilege to host. He is the poster boy of exploitative neo-liberal economic policies and the heartthrob of the capitalists. He does not deserve to become the leader of the nation. Period. And yeah, dear liberals, please shake yourself out of the slumber of this fallacious neutrality." So, How would dissent be handled if Modi comes to power? The bell around the cat has been ringing so loudly that we can't ignore it anymore.
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