ravishingravi Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Those loaded statement simply means to say to people of other religions that see India has a hindu identity you better align yourself with that identity. If you go that route' date=' you better have Hindu as state religion than doing thing piece-meal like this.[/quote'] No, I think it is your liberal guilt prevents you from literal reading of statement and perhaps "loading" it with your own tadka. Question of alignment doesn't arise. While reciting Muslim or Jewish prayers, I didn't allign myself with them. I am sure the existing prayers will not be stopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Precambrian Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 one question to the libtards here. when a hindu family makes their 10 yr old kid listen to hindu hymns and make them recite it, isn't it enforced upon them? Similarly for muslims and christians as well? So why they are not touching upon the rights of kids not to adhere to prayers of any kind, and get so enraged when the same kids have to observe other religions prayers? So for libtards and wannabe secularists, its perfectly acceptable that these small kids can be tortured to do all these rituals blindly as long as they belong to the religion where they were born to just by accident of birth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detonator Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 by the libtard logic all chrislamist schools should be banned and rename then as just minority schools with no prayers , conversions, and no brainwashing :giggle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Precambrian Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 by the libtard logic all chrislamist schools should be banned and rename then as just minority schools with no prayers ' date=' conversions, and no brainwashing :giggle:[/quote'] nah those uskools can do it without a problem, because they are shekular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhunaeh Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 You give holidays on christmas and eid, just like you do so on hindu festivals, so that Indian christians and Indian muslims can celebrate their festivals. Nobody is asking hindus to sing christmas carols or do namaz on these holidays. As for christian and islamic schools, they is a reason they are called christian and islamic schools. India, fortunately, is still not called anything like a hindu country, muslim country or a christian country, it is secular and is still does not have a state religion though the rss and bjp want to change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 You give holidays on christmas and eid, just like you do so on hindu festivals, so that Indian christians and Indian muslims can celebrate their festivals. Nobody is asking hindus to sing christmas carols or do namaz on these holidays. As for christian and islamic schools, they is a reason they are called christian and islamic schools. India, fortunately, is still not called anything like a hindu country, muslim country or a christian country, it is secular and is still does not have a state religion though the rss and bjp want to change that. So,as per this directive no other prayers are allowed and all the existing prayers have to be stopped. Clarify how state is imposing religion here. How is it secular to run Christian school ? Are they no admitting non christians ? If yes, shouldn't they also have hindu chants for non christian hindu students. Surely thats a secular thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Well, for all my support for BJP/RSS I wish they stop muddling into these things. I don't find much in this circular which should cause furore but since this is BJP govt, people with their perceptions and bias will make it sound as if it is Talibani fatwa. Under any other govt in centre or under any other state govt it wouldn't even have got eyes of the media/people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhunaeh Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 So,as per this directive no other prayers are allowed and all the existing prayers have to be stopped. Clarify how state is imposing religion here. How is it secular to run Christian school ? Are they no admitting non christians ? If yes, shouldn't they also have hindu chants for non christian hindu students. Surely thats a secular thing to do. If christian or islamic schools have prayers, and if they are admitting hindus, and the students or the parents demand it, then these schools should have hindu chants too. People may sing and pray along or sit out of it if they don't want to. Though i doubt if there are any hindus kids in islamic schools. Now the question is, why is the state getting into issues related to prayers and religion. Why should the state insist on prayers of a particular religion? There is no need for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Precambrian Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 You give holidays on christmas and eid' date=' just like you do so on hindu festivals, so that Indian christians and Indian muslims can celebrate their festivals. Nobody is asking hindus to sing christmas carols or do namaz on these holidays.[/quote'] You're just not getting it I want to do some urgent transaction on Dec 25. I am a hindu. I go to a bank and I find that it is closed. Why should I as a hindu get penalized for a christian celebration? What reason? What is the exclusivity these schools have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seedhi Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 You give holidays on christmas and eid, just like you do so on hindu festivals, so that Indian christians and Indian muslims can celebrate their festivals. Nobody is asking hindus to sing christmas carols or do namaz on these holidays. As for christian and islamic schools, they is a reason they are called christian and islamic schools. India, fortunately, is still not called anything like a hindu country, muslim country or a christian country, it is secular and is still does not have a state religion though the rss and bjp want to change that.In this "secular" country, Hindus cannot run Hindu schools, unlike Muslims and Christians who can run educational institutions catering to their communities. The Right to Education Act is not applicable to minority institutions. So much for your "secularism". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raghav_12 Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 People are confusing that a school can be Christian or Muslim or Hindu (like the one I went to). But a govt can't be force somebody to obey hindu, muslim or christian rituals. I am pretty sure people who are defending this move recognize this different pretty much even they may pretend not to understand. This would be same as forcing all schools asked to send all students to church on Christamas or do some specific things on Eid and which would be simply unacceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raghav_12 Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 In this "secular" country' date=' [b']Hindus cannot run Hindu schools, unlike Muslims and Christians who can run educational institutions catering to their communities. The Right to Education Act is not applicable to minority institutions. So much for your "secularism". Go to Saraswati Shishu Mandirs or other RSS run schools.. They are more hindu then any catholic school is christian. I don't know what you mean by saying hindu's can't have their own schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raghav_12 Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 No' date=' I think it is your [b']liberal guilt prevents you from literal reading of statement and perhaps "loading" it with your own tadka. Question of alignment doesn't arise. While reciting Muslim or Jewish prayers, I didn't allign myself with them. I am sure the existing prayers will not be stopped. I don't have any liberal guilt. All i have liberal and secular pride on behalf of my country but unfortunately that is coming under increasing pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raghav_12 Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Please list the rituals that the Govt has asked schools to follow and what defines those as hindu rituals? Saraswati Puja is a hindu ritual. Any denial of that would be outright dishonesty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seedhi Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Go to Saraswati Shishu Mandirs or other RSS run schools.. They are more hindu then any catholic school is christian. I don't know what you mean by saying hindu's can't have their own schools.Minorities (Muslims and Christians) can reserve seats in their institutions for their communities. Eg. St Stephens has reservations for Christians, and yet receives govt aid. Hindus do not have this right. Moreover, these minority educational institutions are exempt from the Right to Education Act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Precambrian Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Saraswati Puja is a hindu ritual. Any denial of that would be outright dishonesty. It is not. As I said before, in Kerala you have people from all communities observe it during Durga puja. Kids from all religions start their writing on this day. It has the name "saraswathi" but that automatically doesn't make it an exclusively hindu ritual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raghav_12 Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 It is not. As I said before' date=' in Kerala you have people from all communities observe it during Durga puja. Kids from all religions start their writing on this day. It has the name "saraswathi" but that automatically doesn't make it an exclusively hindu ritual.[/quote'] :haha: If Saraswati Puja is not hindu ritual then reading namaz is not a muslim thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Precambrian Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 People are confusing that a school can be Christian or Muslim or Hindu (like the one I went to). But a govt can't be force somebody to obey hindu' date=' muslim or christian rituals. [/size']I am pretty sure people who are defending this move recognize this different pretty much even they may pretend not to understand. This would be same as forcing all schools asked to send all students to church on Christamas or do some specific things on Eid and which would be simply unacceptable. Can it force religious holidays on others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Precambrian Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 :haha: If Saraswati Puja is not hindu ritual then reading namaz is not a muslim thing. I see that you have no reply to my argument. And hence the use of smileys. Have a read of this link: http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/vidyarambham-blurs-religious-borders/article834392.ece Even churches conduct vidyarambham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raghav_12 Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Can it force religious holidays on others? Yes. and Holidays are not forced but offered :cantstop:. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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