vvvslaxman Posted May 15, 2014 Posted May 15, 2014 Sunil Gavaskar's avg vs WI - 66 Sunil Gavaskar's avg IN WI - 70 How can a batsman average so much against mighty Windies attack if he is not good at hook/pull You can score runs by ducking :hmmm: Sunny was not that tall. He and Kirmani let every snigle bouncer go above them without even ducking in chennai test 1983 :cantstop:
Muloghonto Posted May 16, 2014 Posted May 16, 2014 Gavaskar most of the time played second string West Indian [ace bowlers. He played the full quartet/trio over two series IIRC. There was a good article on this by Swarnjeet Singh. Doing great against WI doesn't mean the batsman is good at hooking pulling. It shows the player is very good in playing short bowling. And the above two statements doesn't mean the same thing. NS Sidhu was the best player of spin in this era. Andly Flower was not far behind. But they played it entirely differently. Although Sidhu was better at using his feet, Flower was light years ahead with his sweeps and reverse sweeps. That doesn't make Sidhu the best sweeper. Dont be absurd. Gavaskar played the quartet in like 2 series IIRC. But except for his very first debut series, Gavaskar played against a WI attack that had atleast one and often two ATG pace bowlers in it. I hope you realize that even an attack of Holding-Roberts and 2 other bowlers is kinda similar to facing the likes of Donald-Polock and two others or McWarne and two others. I've seen Gavaskar play plenty of times. He was an excellent hooker & puller, IMO better than deSilva easily.I'd say the same about Amarnath, Tendulkar and Majid Khan for sure. Inzy too was at par with deSilva at dealing with the short stuff.
thongale Posted May 16, 2014 Posted May 16, 2014 Dont be absurd. Gavaskar played the quartet in like 2 series IIRC. But except for his very first debut series, Gavaskar played against a WI attack that had atleast one and often two ATG pace bowlers in it. I hope you realize that even an attack of Holding-Roberts and 2 other bowlers is kinda similar to facing the likes of Donald-Polock and two others or McWarne and two others. I've seen Gavaskar play plenty of times. He was an excellent hooker & puller, IMO better than deSilva easily.I'd say the same about Amarnath, Tendulkar and Majid Khan for sure. Inzy too was at par with deSilva at dealing with the short stuff.I have seen Gavaskar too, and he hooked and pulled once in a blue moon against pacemen. Other than for one particular innings where he took WI to cleaners, he was sedate as anything against short bowling. And consider this, fast bowlers bowled short at Gavaskar. But they were **** scared to do it against de Silva.
thongale Posted May 16, 2014 Posted May 16, 2014 And since you don't believe me, here is an analysis series wise.
Muloghonto Posted May 16, 2014 Posted May 16, 2014 I have seen Gavaskar too' date=' and he hooked and pulled once in a blue moon against pacemen. Other than for one particular innings where he took WI to cleaners, he was sedate as anything against short bowling. And consider this, fast bowlers bowled short at Gavaskar. But they were **** scared to do it against de Silva.[/quote'] Its more or less horseshyte that desilva rarwly got bowled short at or that he hooked or pulled everyhing in sight. Thats nonsense. Theres been only one decently successful compulsive hooker/puller I have seen and thats keith stackpole. That gavaskar was more choosy does not make his prowess to hook/pull any less. Infact,given that he averaged a solid 10 points over desilva while facing rougher conditions:opening and against better attacks,perhaps your whole 'desilba hooked/pulled wvwryrhing Is a bit misguided. Sent from my GT-S5830D using Tapatalk 2
yoda Posted May 17, 2014 Posted May 17, 2014 lol@the desilva to gavaskar/tendulkar comparisons. i guess when all you have is mediocre, you have tout it as the best.
thongale Posted May 17, 2014 Posted May 17, 2014 Its more or less horseshyte that desilva rarwly got bowled short at or that he hooked or pulled everyhing in sight. Thats nonsense. Theres been only one decently successful compulsive hooker/puller I have seen and thats keith stackpole. That gavaskar was more choosy does not make his prowess to hook/pull any less. Infact,given that he averaged a solid 10 points over desilva while facing rougher conditions:opening and against better attacks,perhaps your whole 'desilba hooked/pulled wvwryrhing Is a bit misguided. Sent from my GT-S5830D using Tapatalk 2BS. HE was **** scared of failure and took on bowlers when he was only well set. He almost never played counter attacking innings like De silva, Inzi or SRT against express bowlers. Look, Gavaskar is an ATG batsman. But saying he was a belligerent hooker and puller is nothing but a pile of horse shyte.
thongale Posted May 17, 2014 Posted May 17, 2014 lol@the desilva to gavaskar/tendulkar comparisons. i guess when all you have is mediocre' date=' you have tout it as the best.[/quote']Lol, still doesn't change the fact that every express bowler in 90s were shyte scred to drop short at Aravinda. Gavaskar or Tendulkar never commanded that respect on short bowling aspect.
Muloghonto Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 BS. HE was **** scared of failure and took on bowlers when he was only well set. He almost never played counter attacking innings like De silva' date=' Inzi or SRT against express bowlers. Look, Gavaskar is an ATG batsman. But saying he was a belligerent hooker and puller is nothing but a pile of horse shyte.[/quote'] Gavaskar,fyi, has two run-a-ball century and 1 run-a-ball 90 against the four prong, innings that desilva never compares to against much worse fast bowling. Again, its bs that bowlers didnt bounce desilva. He was weaker to full pitched deliveries and usually thats how u got aravinda early, doesmt mean he was never bounced Sent from my GT-S5830D using Tapatalk 2
thongale Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 Gavaskar,fyi, has two run-a-ball century and 1 run-a-ball 90 against the four prong, innings that desilva never compares to against much worse fast bowling. Again, its bs that bowlers didnt bounce desilva. He was weaker to full pitched deliveries and usually thats how u got aravinda early, doesmt mean he was never bounced Sent from my GT-S5830D using Tapatalk 2LMAO. That is the only two innings Gavaskar played aggressively against fast bowling, while Aravinda tore in to Pakistan fast bowling attack multiple times. He has dismantled Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib and Imran few times. And when he did play West Indies, immediately took on Walsh and bishop at full cry. Aravinda played cavlier cricket and taking on short bowling was part of it. Gavaskar played safe cricket. Aravinda was never given a bouncer barrage after his formative years, no matter how quick is the pitch. Since he was taking on short ball, his chances of getting out was higher on short ball, but he was so intimidating on the bowler no one had balls to try it. That intimidation was never a part of Gavaskar's game.
Muloghonto Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 LMAO. That is the only two innings Gavaskar played aggressively against fast bowling' date=' while Aravinda tore in to Pakistan fast bowling attack multiple times. He has dismantled Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib and Imran few times. And when he did play West Indies, immediately took on Walsh and bishop at full cry. Aravinda played cavlier cricket and taking on short bowling was part of it. Gavaskar played safe cricket. Aravinda was never given a bouncer barrage after his formative years, no matter how quick is the pitch. Since he was taking on short ball, his chances of getting out was higher on short ball, but he was so intimidating on the bowler no one had balls to try it. That intimidation was never a part of Gavaskar's game.[/quote'] Find me a single aravinda innings where he scored run a ball fifty plus against any credible fast.bowling. You are just full of crap that aravinda was never given a bouncer barrage. I've seen it a few times and just like the rest, he too was ducking and weaving. Sent from my GT-S5830D using Tapatalk 2
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