Srinivasan,Raj Kundra named in IPL scandal report

[Precambrian]

Dhoni's conflict of interest is with his own firm Rhiti Sports and as India team captain.

I agree with Rhiti sports to some extent. But then Dhoni is not a voting member of the selection committee. Still I get your point since he's party to the selection committee meetings. But then again, this point is easily remediable should Dhoni has already informed his employer (BCCI) about such interests and all selections are done without prejudice to his interest.

[BeautifulGame]

and that remark raises the debate itself.

Not really unless the full context is available .Otherwise just pointless speculation.

[rkt.india]

So Kohli isn't also under conflict of interest? He captains RCB and can influence RCB player selection for Indian team . I am seriously confused.Should anyone captains an IPL or Ranji team then not be appointed as Indian captain ?

But he is not an employee of UB group. Objection is not about being captain of CSK as well as Indian team but being Vice Chairman of India cements. Most captains of the national teams have captain two teams either state team or corporate teams, but because CSK is a commercial franchise owned by India Cements where Dhoni is VC or VP that is what makes situation a bit vulnerable.

[Precambrian]

Because he holds such positions where he can influence things like team selection for Indian team by promoting or recommending CSK players.

Dhoni is not a selector in the Indian national team.

[BeautifulGame]

The conflict of interest wrt India Cements lies with Srinivasan primarily. Dhoni's conflict of interest is with his own firm Rhiti Sports and as India team captain.

Is he still with Rhiti sports .I thought he quit it after the controversy .Agree it definitely is a big issue and BCCi should have rules prohibiting it

[Precambrian]

So Kohli isn't also under conflict of interest? He captains RCB and can influence RCB player selection for Indian team . Should anyone captains an IPL or Ranji team then not be appointed as Indian captain ?I am seriously confused.

The slight difference would be that the captain does not get paid by his Ranji team but he does get paid by his franchise. The counterclaim could be that such his selection in the franchise and salary paid to him were done in a transparent manner / arm's length basis.

[rkt.india]

Dhoni is not a selector in the Indian national team.

Captain also influences the team selection. Captain may not have a voting power but does have say. Ask any former cricketer. A captain most of the time gets the team he wants. I have heard ex-cricketers saying same on News Channel multiple times.

[Precambrian]

Is he still with Rhiti sports .I thought he quit it after the controversy .Agree it definitely is a big issue and BCCi should have rules prohibiting it

Good point. Dhoni is not a co owner. http://zeenews.india.com/sports/cricket/icc-champions-trophy-2013/dhoni-held-stakes-in-rhiti-sports-in-past-owner_762629.html Although he held Rhiti stock for a limited period of time.

[Precambrian]

Captain also influences the team selection. Captain may not have a voting power but does have say. Ask any former cricketer. A captain most of the time gets the team he wants. I have heard ex-cricketers saying same on News Channel multiple times.

And one can quote many instances to the contrary as well. Tendulkar never really got a team that he wanted, in fact there is a famous incident when Noel David was drafted into the squad touring West Indies, and Tendulkar asked, "Noel who?" Just because people "perceive" something, it need not be the truth. Fact is that selection committee has the power to "drop" or "replace" the captain of the team. So I am not quite sure how it can conclusively be said that he is in a position to draft in players he prefer.

[diga]

Fact is that selection committee has the power to "drop" or "replace" the captain of the team. So I am not quite sure how it can conclusively be said that he is in a position to draft in players he prefer.

Is it so? :winky: Ask Mohinder Amarnath

[Precambrian]

But he is not an employee of UB group. Objection is not about being captain of CSK as well as Indian team but being Vice Chairman of India cements. Most captains of the national teams have captain two teams either state team or corporate teams' date=' but because CSK is a commercial franchise owned by India Cements where Dhoni is VC or VP that is what makes situation a bit vulnerable.[/quote'] The whole thing is rendered meaningless given that Dhoni is legally not in a position to decide the team that plays under him, since the selection committee actually decides the team including Dhoni himself. Dravid was employed by India Cements when he was captain, and India cements did have a corporate team playing in the TN league. So as per your explanation, Dravid had a conflict since he was in a position to favor cricketers from the corporate team?

[Precambrian]

Is it so? :winky: Ask Mohinder Amarnath

I don't have his phone number. On a serious note, to repeat myself, selectors can decide on whether Dhoni needs to be in the team.

[rkt.india]

The whole thing is rendered meaningless given that Dhoni is legally not in a position to decide the team that plays under him' date= since the selection committee actually decides the team including Dhoni himself. Dravid was employed by India Cements when he was captain, and India cements did have a corporate team playing in the TN league. So as per your explanation, Dravid had a conflict since he was in a position to favor cricketers from the corporate team?

But Dhoni can certainly decide playing eleven if he cannot select the full 15. You would be naive to think that captain dont have a say in team selection. Regarding Noel David, he was a replacement sent for some injured player, not a first choice selection. Captain and team was already in WI, so, there was not much captain could do about it.

[BeautifulGame]

But he is not an employee of UB group. Objection is not about being captain of CSK as well as Indian team but being Vice Chairman of India cements. Most captains of the national teams have captain two teams either state team or corporate teams' date=' but because CSK is a commercial franchise owned by India Cements where Dhoni is VC or VP that is what makes situation a bit vulnerable.[/quote'] He may not be an employee but he promotes their products(Kingfisher) so clearly paid by them.And captains their team RCB as well which is a private franchise So clearly he is under as much conflict interest because promoting RCB players he can influence the selection of Indian team

[Precambrian]

But Dhoni can certainly decide playing eleven if he cannot select the full 15. You would be naive to think that captain dont have a say in team selection. Regarding Noel David' date=' he was a replacement sent for some injured player, not a first choice selection. [b']Captain and team was already in WI, so, there was not much captain could do about it.

How is the selection of a replacement any different from that of another player/ Secondly, please don't give me that excuse (italics). There were phones/cables back then in those days. Of course a captain has a say in the playing XI. But that is decided out of the squad that the selectors have given him who in their opinion are eligible for selection. In other words, once the squad is selected by the selectors, it is deemed that each player in the squad is good enough to represent the team in the match.

[rkt.india]

He may not be an employee but he promotes their products(Kingfisher) so clearly paid by them.And captains their team RCB as well which is a private franchise So clearly he is under as much conflict interest because promoting RCB players he can influence the selection of Indian team

These are two different things. Being an RCB player and captain, he does not have any responsibility towards RCB once IPL is over while Dhoni being VP of India Cements does.

[BeautifulGame]

India Cements did not have a team CSK then. Did they? Otherwise' date=' a lot of players have worked for corporate companies and played for their teams like Air India, ONGC, BPL, etc. and play for India that is not an issue. Issue is CSK is a franchise of IPL and Dhoni being captain of India and also captain of CSK along with VC of India cements, he holds such positions where he can influence things like team selection. It does not mean, he did, but that situation certainly arises questions marks.[/quote']

[Precambrian]

These are two different things. Being an RCB player and captain' date=' he does not have any responsibility towards RCB once IPL is over while[b'] Dhoni being VP of India Cements does.

Rahul Dravid was captain and employee of India Cements. Also, what exactly are these "responsibilities" of Dhoni towards IC? It's a honorary post that they've given to Dhoni. BTW Dhoni is a Lt Colonel in the Indian Army. Indian Army has a cricket team in Ranji trophy, services. So are you saying Dhoni might get players recruited from services ranji team because of that?

[BeautifulGame]

Rahul Dravid was captain and employee of India Cements. Also, what exactly are these "responsibilities" of Dhoni towards IC? It's a honorary post that they've given to Dhoni. BTW Dhoni is a Lt Colonel in the Indian Army. Indian Army has a cricket team in Ranji trophy, services. So are you saying Dhoni might get players recruited from services ranji team because of that?

Dhoni is planting sleeper cells in Indian army :yay:

[Crookbond]

India Cements did not have a team CSK then. Did they? Otherwise' date=' a lot of players have worked for corporate companies and played for their teams like Air India, ONGC, BPL, etc. and play for India that is not an issue. Issue is CSK is a franchise of IPL and Dhoni being captain of India and also captain of CSK along with VC of India cements, he holds such positions where he can influence things like team selection. It does not mean, he did, but that situation certainly arises questions marks.[/quote'] You are missing the forest for the trees! The issue with Dhon is Rhiti Sports and Team India - not CSK and Team India. That level of conflict of interest is wide spread with entire Indian cricket and practically can't be avoided.