Are Indian pitches really roads?

[Precambrian]

I find it amusing and hypocritical when Cook dismisses efforts of Indian batsmen, and Rohit Sharma in particular, as "Those scores are made in sub-continental conditions". I checked statsguru and noted that since the WC 2011 (i.e just above 3 years), England's average ODI score in India is around 223, well below average International score in ODIs, with an ER well below 5. And we are talking about 10 matches which is a sufficiently big sample, and Eng unsurprisingly have lost 8 of them. In fact, if you take all matches in India since WC 11, barring Australia, no team has a average run rate of above 5.32, and the average completed score by a team against India (barring Aus) is 238 runs. Eng, WI, SL, Pak all combined have crossed 300 only twice in 28 matches, while India themselves have crossed this barrier 7 times (and twice going on to make 400+) Yes, I am aware there has been one series last year against Aus where Aus managed to lose the series 3-2 despite not once scoring below 300 but I think in the overall context, it's just one freak series. Comments?

[Crookbond]

How can you answer your question about pitches by looking at Statsguru?

[Precambrian]

How can you answer your question about pitches by looking at Statsguru?

proof of pudding is in eating etc.

[kirisatha96]

Indians will be use to scoring 300+ at home because it's their OWN conditions. Ranji Trophy and IPL are prime examples. Weak Bowling Attack + Flat pitch + Power hitting batsman = 400

[Crookbond]

proof of pudding is in eating etc.

Correlation =/= Causation

[jusarrived]

They as falt as anywhere else in the world . I think pitches in NZ are the easiest to score on and the grounds are tiny .

[aceofbase]

perhaps Cook is still burning over India's Champions trophy win and the latest drubbing in ODIS..

[Precambrian]

Correlation =/= Causation

Mistaking causation for correlation is funny.

[express bowling]

I find it amusing and hypocritical when Cook dismisses efforts of Indian batsmen, and Rohit Sharma in particular, as "Those scores are made in sub-continental conditions". I checked statsguru and noted that since the WC 2011 (i.e just above 3 years), England's average ODI score in India is around 223, well below average International score in ODIs, with an ER well below 5. And we are talking about 10 matches which is a sufficiently big sample, and Eng unsurprisingly have lost 8 of them. In fact, if you take all matches in India since WC 11, barring Australia, no team has a average run rate of above 5.32, and the average completed score by a team against India (barring Aus) is 238 runs. Eng, WI, SL, Pak all combined have crossed 300 only twice in 28 matches, while India themselves have crossed this barrier 7 times (and twice going on to make 400+) Yes, I am aware there has been one series last year against Aus where Aus managed to lose the series 3-2 despite not once scoring below 300 but I think in the overall context, it's just one freak series. Comments?

Just as we criticize our batsmen for failing in foreign conditions ( when they fail ) .... foreign batsmen should be equally blamed when they fail in their unfamiliar conditions. Your stats prove that most outside subcontinent batsmen are not that good. They succeed only in their known conditions. It is foolish to critize subcontinent batting performances. Only those batsmen deserve criticism who succeed in familiar situations only and fail elsewhere .... whatever their nationality is. Cook's statement is foolish and hypocritical.

[Precambrian]

Those are numbers of all visiting teams in ODIs in respective countries since WC 2011. Numbers in India are very much comparable to numbers in England or elsewhere. Scarcely suggestive of "complete roads" that apparently media, particularly english ones and self-hating Indian "Fans" who do not hesitate to put down the achievements of our batsmen, resort to.

[aceofbase]

Those are numbers of all visiting teams in ODIs in respective countries since WC 2011. Numbers in India are very much comparable to numbers in England or elsewhere. Scarcely suggestive of "complete roads" that apparently media, particularly english ones and self-hating Indian "Fans" who do not hesitate to put down the achievements of our batsmen, resort to.

perfect response...

[Precambrian]

Just as we criticize our batsmen for failing in foreign conditions ( when they fail ) .... foreign batsmen should be equally blamed when they fail in their unfamiliar conditions. Your stats prove that most outside subcontinent batsmen are not that good. They succeed only in their known conditions. It is foolish to critize subcontinent batting performances. Only those batsmen deserve criticism who succeed in familiar situations only and fail elsewhere .... whatever their nationality is. Cook's statement is foolish and hypocritical.

Exactly! Just did a comparison of batting averages, RPOs and Win/Loss ratios of home teams vs opposition since WC 2011, sorted by W/L ratio. I sorted them by W/L rations. India has an astounding W/L ratio, easily the best, but what surprised me more was the difference in batting averages against opposition and also the difference in RPO. The extraordinary domination by Indian batsmen is often cruelly attributed to be the result of flat pitches without even considering the performance of opposing teams overall on the same pitches.

[Shivaji bhonsle]

Yadav was making the Sri Lankan batsmen jump....If you have pace, you can always get something from Indian pitches..

[Old guy]

Yadav was making the Sri Lankan batsmen jump....If you have pace' date=' you can always get something from Indian pitches..[/quote'] Welcome back :giggle: And on topic even shami has done well in India i guess our bowlers know how to bowl here better than touring bowlers and opposite happen when we tour :((

[JaFanatic]

Welcome back :giggle: And on topic even shami has done well in India i guess our bowlers know how to bowl here better than touring bowlers and opposite happen when we tour :((

I got it :acute: but how ? how in the world ? :cantstop:

[Old guy]

I got it :acute: but how ? how in the world ? :cantstop:

What ? :dontknow:

[Precambrian]

Yadav was making the Sri Lankan batsmen jump....If you have pace' date=' you can always get something from Indian pitches..[/quote'] Test cricket is gash man. An abomination.

[JaFanatic]

What ? :dontknow:

That welcome back!

[Old guy]

That welcome back!

Put back by mistake :--D

[JaFanatic]

Put back by mistake :--D

Ohh it happens :P