Time for a new bowling coach?

[kosingh]

Well said ' date='but I would surely like to see a past bowler of some repute guiding these bowlers.[/quote'] Like Wasim? He's worked with several of our bowlers already.

[VRV Singh]

Well said ' date='but I would surely like to see a past bowler of some repute guiding these bowlers.[/quote'] That's a fair enough opinion. I am just saying the success of a coach in his playing days is not the crucial factor. Joe Dawes only played FC cricket but worked closely with Ryan Harris who is now top 5 in the world. David Saker, Troy Cooley just some recent examples who worked with successful bowling attacks but did not play international cricket. I think it is too easy to change bowling coaches and dismiss the credentials of those before. Coach can only do so much with what he has I believe.

[The Realist]

A coach can only do much, improve a bit here and there and offer some techincal tips. He cannot turn a turd into a diamond. The basic fact is that the bowling talent is lazy and stupid. Not prepard to work hard or learn from their endless mistakes. Nearly all of them get worse a year or two after their debut as batsmen have seen their bowling and worked them out. The bowling on this tour has been shocking, unable to take 20 wickets and bleeding runs - probably the worst since the 90s

[rkt.india]

That's a fair enough opinion. I am just saying the success of a coach in his playing days is not the crucial factor. Joe Dawes only played FC cricket but worked closely with Ryan Harris who is now top 5 in the world. David Saker' date=' Troy Cooley just some recent examples who worked with successful bowling attacks but did not play international cricket. I think it is too easy to change bowling coaches and dismiss the credentials of those before. Coach can only do so much with what he has I believe.[/quote'] Problem is not that these coaches dont have ingredients to work with. We certainly have raw ingredients in Umesh, Shami, Aaron and a few others, but ensuring that they take that next step to become international level bowler is what coach's role.

[kosingh]

A coach can only do much, improve a bit here and there and offer some techincal tips. He cannot turn a turd into a diamond. The basic fact is that the bowling talent is lazy and stupid. Not prepard to work hard or learn from their endless mistakes. Nearly all of them get worse a year or two after their debut as batsmen have seen their bowling and worked them out. The bowling on this tour has been shocking, unable to take 20 wickets and bleeding runs - probably the worst since the 90s

Worst since the 90s? The worst in 40+ years, I'd say. We've always had at least one striker bowler. In the 90s it was Kumble/Srinath. 80s Kapil Dev. Before that we had the likes of Bedi, Prasanna etc. I can't think of an era when our bowling was worse.

[kosingh]

Rather than getting a coach who was just a great bowler, what I'd rather see is someone who transformed from a wild erratic bowler to a good pace bowler. Someone like Srinath, perhaps.

[VRV Singh]

Problem is not that these coaches dont have ingredients to work with. We certainly have raw ingredients in Umesh' date=' Shami, Aaron and a few others, but ensuring that they take that next step to become international level bowler is what coach's role.[/quote'] I agree they all have skills. Umesh, Shami are more than capable of bowling outswing and reversing it at a good pace. But the fact they are not doing this consistently speaks of lack of commitment to their craft, not enough focus in practice and bad habits. In these circumstances a coach's hands are tied. I just see a revolving door of coaches who work with these guys but very little changes. I know we can't see what happens in net practice but I would be very surprised if these guys are bowling over after over and toiling to improve their skills, which is the only way to get better.

[rkt.india]

I agree they all have skills. Umesh' date=' Shami are more than capable of bowling outswing and reversing it at a good pace. But the fact they are not doing this consistently speaks of lack of commitment to their craft, not enough focus in practice and bad habits. In these circumstances a coach's hands are tied. I just see a revolving door of coaches who work with these guys but very little changes. I know we can't see what happens in net practice but I would be very surprised if these guys are bowling over after over and toiling to improve their skills, which is the only way to get better.[/quote'] That is the job of team management and captain to push these guys hard. If they dont then drop them. There is no place for laziness. Shami is lazy everyone knows that. I dont see he has ever seen the gym. Yadav isnt. He is very fit and spends a lot of time working hard in the gym to stay fit. Same for Aaron. But they also need to understand that hours of bowling in the nets is as important as training to maintain fitness.

[Malcolm Merlyn]

How do you determine credentials? By how good a bowler they were in their playing days?

Well that seems to be the cricteria for most test teams.

[Malcolm Merlyn]

Like Wasim? He's worked with several of our bowlers already.

Umesh Yadav did decently for KKR didnt he?

[Malcolm Merlyn]

In other news Mumbai Indians have Hired Shane Bond as bowling coach.

[Sid]

I agree they all have skills. Umesh' date=' Shami are more than capable of bowling outswing and reversing it at a good pace. But the fact they are not doing this consistently speaks of lack of commitment to their craft, not enough focus in practice and bad habits. In these circumstances a coach's hands are tied. I just see a revolving door of coaches who work with these guys but very little changes. I know we can't see what happens in net practice but I would be very surprised if these guys are bowling over after over and toiling to improve their skills, which is the only way to get better.[/quote'] Exactly why I think they need a task master who can not only guide them but make them bowl hours in net.Wasim in between his gibberish as a commentator always says his bowling muscles developed and his bowling improved by bowling long hours in nets not by going to gym.I dont think the coaches we had like Dawes etc are making them toil in nets

[VRV Singh]

That is the job of team management and captain to push these guys hard. If they dont then drop them. There is no place for laziness. Shami is lazy everyone knows that. I dont see he has ever seen the gym. Yadav isnt. He is very fit and spends a lot of time working hard in the gym to stay fit. Same for Aaron. But they also need to understand that hours of bowling in the nets is as important as training to maintain fitness.

Yeah, like I said I just think it is a far bigger problem than the bowling coach, there is a culture problem there which has been allowed to develop for years from the top.

[Sid]

Like Wasim? He's worked with several of our bowlers already.

Wasim,100aib actor anyone who can impart some knowledge to them and also push them hard in nets.Need a mixture of skill,athleticism and intelligence to transmute our bowlers's continous mediocrity.But yeah thats utopian thinking on my part.

[CG]

These guys have pace also ability move the ball,Accuracy can be improved with practice and hard work.Indian bowling line performed best under venky who made it a point to bowl like match situations in nets and plans in his time were brilliant. We know the plans in this series were ridicolous like bowling around to warner .This is a young group of bowlers persist with them and get a good coach they will get better. Without any experienced bowler or leader in the attack the job of bowling coach becomes greater only if zak could accept the role of coach.