PaiN_KiLLeR Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Well fineleg, we should be praying for the pitch to crumble cos winning this match is extremely important given our track record of losing the deciding match of a series to Pakistan in Bangalore. Link to comment
fineleg Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 True PK. But we have two options: Option 1: Ensure we cannot lose - safety first. This will be a 90% Draw (we will still have 10% chance to win) Option 2: Give a 10-15% chance where Pak may pull off a miracle - more chances for us to win, but we may lose if RRR =4 or 4.5 (10% chances) I'd prefer to not give Pak a chance to win here AT ALL. zilch, nada chances. Link to comment
Guest Hiten. Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 True PK. But we have two options: Option 1: Ensure we cannot lose - safety first. This will be a 90% Draw (we will still have 10% chance to win) Option 2: Give a 10-15% chance where Pak may pull off a miracle - more chances for us to win, but we may lose if RRR =4 or 4.5 (10% chances) I'd prefer to not give Pak a chance to win here AT ALL. zilch, nada chances. That is what I was thinking too. We should add more 50-75 runs in quicktime and set pakistan to chase a target of 350-375.... this way only 2 results are possible - India win or draw Link to comment
Sachinism Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 india should go out in the morning with a target of 70-80 runs in 10 overs and then declare puts us in a pretty safe place and gives us plenty of overs to get 10 wickets Link to comment
fineleg Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 No WAY we will get 70-80 in 10 overs. Target 80 runs in 15-17 overs and be done with it. Link to comment
zubinpepsi Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 we will take 10 overs to get used to the pitch and we ll be careful tht we dont loose any wicket... and then we get a lead of about 340.. n give the paakis 70 overs... Link to comment
Sachinism Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 we need to keep as many overs as possible to bowl pakistan out coz its not gonna be easy on a flat track how comes loss time is not being made up for on the next morning? Link to comment
The Outsider Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 True PK. But we have two options: Option 1: Ensure we cannot lose - safety first. This will be a 90% Draw (we will still have 10% chance to win) Option 2: Give a 10-15% chance where Pak may pull off a miracle - more chances for us to win, but we may lose if RRR =4 or 4.5 (10% chances) I'd prefer to not give Pak a chance to win here AT ALL. zilch, nada chances. 10% chance a team chasing 300+ on the last day in India and winning? Care to point even 3 times it has happened in the past? Link to comment
fineleg Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 professor, this is ind bowling & fielding :P so adjusted for it 10% :D ps: Shwetabh - on a serious note, I have low confidence in indian bowling and fielding to be honest (this may change later if we consistently do well, for now this is the way it is). So, I worry more than just what hist. stats show us. So, yes I believe 10% chance is there. Link to comment
PaiN_KiLLeR Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 if im not mistaken the highest ever sucessful 4th innings chase in india is just 275. Link to comment
The Outsider Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 professor, this is ind bowling & fielding :P so adjusted for it 10% :D ps: Shwetabh - on a serious note, I have low confidence in indian bowling and fielding to be honest (this may change later if we consistently do well, for now this is the way it is). So, I worry more than just what hist. stats show us. So, yes I believe 10% chance is there. India has been the bowling and fielding side earlier also. A lot of you don't understand the enormity of chasing 300+ at 4 RPO on a last day Indian wicket. When we have a similar target like we did at Bangalore and Bombay, I again here the similar over optimistic noises, "Oh if we bat till blah blah blah and score at blah blah blah" we'll win. It will take someone to play the innings of a lifetime to achieve that in India and a lot of very good teams and batsmen have failed to do it. Survival is one thing. Scoring at 4 RPO on this track for one day is pretty much impossible. Link to comment
MundaPakistani Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 True PK. But we have two options: Option 1: Ensure we cannot lose - safety first. This will be a 90% Draw (we will still have 10% chance to win) Option 2: Give a 10-15% chance where Pak may pull off a miracle - more chances for us to win, but we may lose if RRR =4 or 4.5 (10% chances) I'd prefer to not give Pak a chance to win here AT ALL. zilch, nada chances. That will be great for PAK. Link to comment
Sachinism Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 the problem for india is that if we do not score enough runs and then are looking for 10 wickets, all the fielders will be close in, therefore big gaps in the outfield which is still rapid Link to comment
fineleg Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Professor, pjilka has a valid point. If we dont score a Huge total, and fielders close in to attack, that will *force* the Pak to bat in an attacking manner. If they defend, chances are a close in fielder will catch an edge. So, if we force them to attack, then with a smaller total, it can go either way. Link to comment
The Outsider Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Professor, pjilka has a valid point. If we dont score a Huge total, and fielders close in to attack, that will *force* the Pak to bat in an attacking manner. If they defend, chances are a close in fielder will catch an edge. So, if we force them to attack, then with a smaller total, it can go either way. The "smaller total" you are talking about ie. 320+ runs in 80 odd overs is a huge mountain to climb in these conditions. Link to comment
dial_100 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Shwetabh.... you cant just help them with their inherent fear that they hold all the time about Indian team's failure... These guys conveniently forget that it is a test cricket and not 20-20...besides none of the 4 days we played all 90 overs yet... So it wont be more than 85 overs in a day no matter what... Its huge total plus Kumble is the most successfull bowler of the series so far plus Bhajji took 5 in the last innings... they are going to be tuff to score against.. Link to comment
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