New Solution: Play The 7-4 Combo & Make Gurukeerat, Raina & Kohli Finish 10 Overs? Thoughts?

[sensible-indian]

The whole 6-5 combo was used in ODIs due to the 4 fielder rules change.

In that sense, Jaddu fitted in perfectly. He was good at that time. Dare I say better than Ashwin (a weaker Ashwin but still) in most ODI games during those time.

Now this whole 6-5 combo makes no sense.

Binny is no match for "in the zone" Jaddu's bowling. And his batting is as dodgy as Jaddu. Maybe even worse when it comes reliability.

Now there is no point in that extra bowler. He gives us NO ADVANTAGE WHATSOEVER in bowling or batting.

We may have to switch back to 7-4 combo.

The goal is to have 2 pacers....2 spinners and have someone like Gurukeerat, Raina and Kohli finish 10 overs.

Depending on 3 bowlers to finish the 5th bowlers quota of 10 overs distributes the risk. We have to go for this.

If Gurukeerat doesn't work, then someone like Pandya in the future.

I won't bring in Hooda into the mix as a bowler cos he is a hopeless chucker who will get banned if he bowls properly. He has to try the pure bat slot but won't fit in as batsmen/part timer bowler.

I am not really bothered about the losses to SA cos I know this XI has passed its shelf life and needs changes and losses are the BEST way to bring about change.

SA hardly looked impressive and almost lost 2 out of 3 games in the tour. Time to find our best playing XI based on our options. We have a huge factory line of aggressive batsmen to test (some of them will be duds while some will go on to be extremely reliable - we have to TEST).

Just need someone who fits in with the team strategy.

Edited October 12, 2015 by sensible-indian

[Bleed-Blue]

I agree with this too, esp on flat pitches i dont think it will make much difference between 4 and 5 bowlers. Plus the options are not really that great.

[Ankit_sharma03]

I have slightly a diff take on it

ill play kohli at 3 n rahane has to sit out , coz he can only bat at top 3

Reasons i would drop Rahane even though he is quality player.

1. His strike rotation isnt as gud as virat nor can attack like him, If virat wud have 82 balls he wud been around 100 an once he gets set he finishes the match. With rahane U dnt expect that . Even if he gets a 100 it wudnt be that impactful 

N also Kohli rotation of strike would have helped rohit to even get 8-10 runs more.

2. Get dhoni to bat at 4. After not playing for long it takes time to get goin wid big shots specially with over the years him being resistant to do it . but u cnt deny he still rotates the strike brilliantly .

3. Get gurkeerat in at 5. Try him . If He has done enough to earn a place in squad he should be selected . Dont agree Wid dhoni saying he Has to wait. Also he cud give u a few over. Dnt expect more than 5 over he is quite new that can allow u play axar who indian conditons can bowl atleast 10 over(even though i wud prefer jadeja over him anyday ) n also would love to have hardik pandya in overseas. 

4. Can some tell bhuvneshwar to swing to ball in the beginning overs. he can try to ball fast when ball is old thats wat zaheer steyn n most big bowlers do . 

Edited October 12, 2015 by Ankit_sharma03

[Kalia_Test]

7-4 was proposed by a few posters ( including me ) in quite a few threads. Reproducing my post in 'Team for 2nd ODI' thread below :-

 

On topic :-

We dont have any great bowlers that run through sides so go back to the old formula - 4 bowlers and 10 overs by part-timers. Atleast strengthen batting. Given Ashwin is not available, we have to go with Axar.

My X1.

Rohit

Dhawan

Kohli

Rahane

Rayudu/Raina ( If > 15~20 overs are remaining, Rayudu comes. Else Raina )

Raina/Rayudu

Dhoni

Axar

Bhuvi

Mishra

Umesh

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Raina + Rohit to bowl 10 overs.

[sensible-indian]

7-4 was proposed by a few posters ( including me ) in quite a few threads. Reproducing my post in 'Team for 2nd ODI' thread below :-

 

Need to go with Gurukeerat if we are doing 10 overs from a non regular.

Rohit + Raina for 10 is way too much gamble.

[Kalia_Test]

Need to go with Gurukeerat if we are doing 10 overs from a non regular.

Rohit + Raina for 10 is way too much gamble.

Well..then what you are proposing is not 7-4 isn't it? Instead of Binny or Jaddu, you want Gurkeerat. That does not change combination. 7-4 means the 5th bowlers are in for batting and are specialist bats that bowl part-time.

In Indian pitches, better that the 5th bowler is predominantly spin.

[sensible-indian]

Well..then what you are proposing is not 7-4 isn't it? Instead of Binny or Jaddu, you want Gurkeerat. That does not change combination. 7-4 means the 5th bowlers are in for batting and are specialist bats that bowl part-time.

In Indian pitches, better that the 5th bowler is predominantly spin.

Yes...its not perfect 7-4 but one where the focus is on batting and throwing down a few overs reliably.

Gurukeerat ain't Jaddu of bowling nor is he Binny when it comes to completing overs.

But he can be used in a combo. He is a batsman who can throw down a few overs.

[BlueBee]

Agarwal for Dhawan

Gurkeerat for Binny

Iyer for Rayudu

[sensible-indian]

Agarwal for Dhawan

Gurkeerat for Binny

 

Iyer for Rayudu

Dhawan is our clutch ODI bat who won us Champion's Trophy and performed in all 3 high octane encounter in WC (Pak, SA and Aus).

You want him dropped?

Rest 2 I agree.

[BlueBee]

Dhawan is our clutch ODI bat who won us Champion's Trophy and performed in all 3 high octane encounter in WC (Pak, SA and Aus).

You want him dropped?

Rest 2 I agree.

We need to be tough on every player. No one should feel like he is fixed in the XI. If he doesn't perform, we got inform young players like Agarwal to come in.

I'll give Dhawan 2 more chances though. If he fails then Agarwal in for the last couple of matches.

[Ankit_sharma03]

 

We need to be tough on every player. No one should feel like he is fixed in the XI. If he doesn't perform, we got inform young players like Agarwal to come in.

 

I'll give Dhawan 2 more chances though. If he fails then Agarwal in for the last couple of matches.

dhawan was highest scorer in wc n i think even in bang series

i dnt get this being harsh on him coz he doesnt look technically correct

the guys got 8 centuries in 68 odis, 

Rohit got 8 in around 140 odi

rahane has got 2 in 60 Odis

 

dhawan record is phenomenal n he being left hander is an advantage

 

let aggarwal, iyer , samson all of them perform on a tour overseas. 

we all knw wat happ to uthappa last time he wnet to aus a tour after a terrific season he was a complete flop

 

advocating pandya hooda n national team makes sense for diff reason as team needs an all rounder or even few up coming fast bowlers. 

its not about individuals its also what team needs

[sensible-indian]

 

We need to be tough on every player. No one should feel like he is fixed in the XI. If he doesn't perform, we got inform young players like Agarwal to come in.

 

I'll give Dhawan 2 more chances though. If he fails then Agarwal in for the last couple of matches.

I don't understand your reasoning bro. Dhawan has been amazing for us.

Even against Bangladesh, he looked very comfortable even if he didn't score much. He ain't going anywhere bro.

If you chop and change like this, you won't have any team whatsoever.

Edited October 13, 2015 by sensible-indian

[Silva]

Lol. the only change will probably be Bhajji playing in place of injured Ashwin. 

[Wasim9211]

well indias problem same as Pakistan, biggining of inning and tail at number 7, plus our seamer

Arvind, Mohit,Kumar took 1 wkts in entire T20Iseries, without shami india not able to take wicket now RA out for 2 match.Rahul sharma  and jadoo give us victory at indore in the past, presently indian spinner not as much as impressive just like in the past.

our captain first blame patel now he is behind veenit  kulkarni., the umpire.Lets make change bowling and batting pattern

indore is good for spin so tricky choice between patel and Mishra, but Gurkeerat should debut today and bat at # 7 because WC 2016 near corner so we need to solve problem as dhoni and raina toothless now.

No way raina should bat after dhoni,srilanka doing good in ODI in death over because you need player who hits 4 in death over.

india could easily reach 215/218 in the first t20 from 160 for 1.kanpur india batted very bad after Rahanes exit.

 

 

 

 

[Wasim9211]

SR could be handy at indore as bowler but not kohli  should share 10 overs with other bowling allrounder in india.one bad over [ patel] cost game for india.