zen Posted September 9, 2016 Author Posted September 9, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, randomGuy said: Bro, Since you brought overpopulation, people told you that TFR is already nearing 2.1 and will go below it as well. Air pollution, traffic situation has nothing to do with the fact that India has almost the same population as China with 1/3rd land area. There needs to be more cities, better planning etc. But There is no lack of resources or land. You seem to be confused and Sarchasm has been quite correct on this topic...Also, its not like the world is not working on technological solutions like renewables, electric vehicles etc. Within a decade or two, use of coal and petrol may well be history you know. Theoretically, any problem can be solved. Let's look at facts (available on this thread) and practical aspects: By 2100, World population is expected to be 11B Ind's population is expected to be close to 1.6B Ideally, you would need infrastructure that is good for next 2 to 3 decades, so please answer the following: Based on what's available today, how many people can Ind support where the citizens have clean air and water, efficient waste management solutions, decent education and medical facilities, acceptable housing, efficient commute infrastructure, energy, etc. Currently, Ind's population is 1.2B. How is our current infrastructure, resources and capabilities to support this population? In 2050 (34 years from now), Ind's population is expected to be 1.6B (up by 33%). What infrastructure, resources and capabilities are available now or being built to support the 33% increase in the next 34 years? If Ind continues at the current pace, how will the 1.6B people be impacted in 2050? PS Based on your theoretical diagram, Ind population should be around 0.9B and not the projected 1.6B in 2050. So the projected increase is +78% from your estimate .... Based on your diagram, world population should be close to 5.4B. However, it is projected to be 9B at that time, +67% from your estimate Edited September 9, 2016 by zen
randomGuy Posted September 9, 2016 Posted September 9, 2016 (edited) ^^ 1. The issues you mentioned are about planning, resource allocation and honest execution. These issues are not about lack of land or lack of any other resource as you seem to be suggesting. Please get that point clearly. 2. Past population forecasts has also failed miserably and if current ones fail, that also will hardly be a surprise. Plus as it is, with a -0.5 baby per couple divergence from present forecast, we would end up with 6bn population by 2100 as per post#52 by you. As per the UN, TFR of sub-saharan africa should be 4.5 children per women atm and expected to be 3 children per women by year 2050 - http://e360.yale.edu/content/images/0911-haub-population-chart1.html Who can say with confidence that it won't reach 2 children per women by 2025 itself? The pace of change is drastic. And like I said, demographics is not science and take all these projections with a pinch of salt. Edited September 9, 2016 by randomGuy
zen Posted September 9, 2016 Author Posted September 9, 2016 (edited) 9 minutes ago, randomGuy said: ^^ 1. The issues you mentioned are about planning, resource allocation and honest execution. These issues are not about lack of land or lack of any other resource as you seem to be suggesting. Please get that point clearly. 2. Past population forecasts has also failed miserably and if current ones fail, that also will hardly be a surprise. Plus as it is, with a -0.5 baby per couple divergence from present forecast, we would end up with 6bn population by 2100 as per post#51 by you. As per the UN, TFR of sub-saharan africa should be 4.5 children per women atm and expected to be 3 children per women by year 2050 - http://e360.yale.edu/content/images/0911-haub-population-chart1.html Who can say with confidence that it won't reach 2 children per women by 2025 itself? The pace of change is drastic. And like I said, demographics is not science and take all these projections with a pinch of salt. Please answer the questions based on the UN numbers with the highest probability of happening. The projections are given so we know how many people would be there in this century Ind does lack resources. Say a family of 4 needs $4k ($1k per individual) annually to survive. However the family is only earning $2k. Theoretically, it can improve its conditions by earning $4k. Practically, they do not have the capability to earn the extra $2k. Ind has been independent since 70 years. So if all the problems could have been solved theoretically, it would have long time ago. What you are suggesting is something will happen in next 20 years and things will change. Based on that theory, somethings should have happened 20 years ago and things should have already changed by now! Edited September 9, 2016 by zen
zen Posted September 9, 2016 Author Posted September 9, 2016 Population Pyramid ^ For those who want to play around with projections
randomGuy Posted September 9, 2016 Posted September 9, 2016 4 minutes ago, zen said: Ind does lack resources. Say a family of 4 needs $4k ($1k per individual) annually to survive. However the family is only earning $2k. Theoretically, it can improve its conditions by earning $4k. Practically, they do not have the capability to earn the extra $2k. Ind has been independent since 70 years. So if all the problems could have been solved theoretically, it would have long time ago. What you are suggesting is something will happen in next 20 years and things will change. Based on that theory, somethings should have happened 20 years ago and things should have already changed by now! I told you its not about lack of resources but about lack of planning and about apathy, corruption etc . You won't agree to it so let's leave it. About practical, not theoretical, things (technological advancements) due to which coal and petrol use will be history (do watch, its informative) -
zen Posted September 9, 2016 Author Posted September 9, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, randomGuy said: I told you its not about lack of resources but about lack of planning and about apathy, corruption etc . You won't agree to it so let's leave it. About practical, not theoretical, things (technological advancements) due to which coal and petrol use will be history (do watch, its informative) - That is all included in resources. Money is a resource too, and so are ppl who can do proper planning, work ethically, etc. And you haven't yet answered the questions Btw, I will watch the video that you posted when I have spare time. Just to let you know that there have been various plans and projects such as turning Israel Oil Free (as it does not like to buy oil from its neighbors). But they haven't been successful so far Edited September 9, 2016 by zen
zen Posted September 11, 2016 Author Posted September 11, 2016 ^ Nice discussion on Ted Talks. Ind needs this kind of thinking for both overpopulation and environment protection. I don't rate Ind highly when it comes to having the vision to drive important changes. In many aspects, Ind is like 100 years behind some of developed countries
zen Posted September 11, 2016 Author Posted September 11, 2016 A few reasons why earth is special (and needs to be protected and kept first):
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