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Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, SUMO said:

I always thought smith's technique is ugly and will be found out, he's just having a purple patch
but no he is turning out to be legend in the making
kane williamson seems to falling behind now may end up at rahane level at the end of career

He is mighty good at getting the job done. Looking at his stance you get a feeling that bowler has a good chance of rattling his stumps, but his tremendous hand-eye coordination and superb footwork ensures he is always on top of the ball. Some of the shots he played yesterday, especially the inside-out shots were jaw-dropping.

I also feel Williamson has fallen behind a bit. But the other 3 (Root, Kohli and Smith) are going strong. 

Edited by CricketBuffOne
Posted (edited)
5 hours ago, CricketBuffOne said:

Not only Aus & WI, have read/heard even Pak & NZ experts singing Virat's praises. Experts in Eng feel he has to prove himself in Eng before they can accept  him as the best, but otherwise they have great regard & admiration for his talent. 

True.  What I  like about him is that Kohli works very hard to remove any weaknesses he has. Laxman was telling a story that, in his first test series, on a tour to the WI, he had major problems against bounce. After that, he worked very hard for days mostly against the bouncing ball and became the best player of pace and bounce in this team....with one South Africa and two Australia tour super-successes to prove this. Similarly, he was not comfortable on slow and low tracks but, in this series, he has played two clutch 2nd innings knocks of 81 and 49* with his team in trouble . He is playing with softer hands while defending to spinners now and leaving the good length deliveries that are spinning away. His another 2nd innings knock of 45  in the Eden gardens, on a green top with variable bounce,  was again superb. 

 

Ultimately, it is attitude, temperament and will to improve, that separate the champion players from the good ones....and it is here that Kohli scores very high...and is widely respected all over the cricket fraternity.  He has a new batting technique for quite some time now, where he moves back and across to seamers and goes to the pitch of the ball. This will help him counter swing bowling too. We saw him do that in the Asia Cup against Pakistan when most batters were at sea against the moving ball on  a green top. He seems to have learned from the England tour disaster and that is the way to go.

 

CBO...if you remember, we were discussing in another thread that Kohli had the highest run per innings in the last 3 years in test matches for us. Now, Kohli actually has the highest average too in tests in the last 3 years with 10 centuries in 31 tests.  Only 2 batsmen are averaging above 45 and only 3 are averaging above 40...and that is a cause for worry for our team.

 

Overall figures
Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS AveDescending BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s  
V Kohli 2013-2016 31 55 3 2724 211 52.38 4713 57.79 10 7 2 316 4 investigate this query
AM Rahane 2013-2016 31 53 7 2264 188 49.21 4262 53.12 8 9 4 263 19 investigate this query
CA Pujara 2013-2016 26 46 2 1883 153 42.79 4071 46.25 5 8 2 235 5 investigate this query
M Vijay 2013-2016 27 49 1 1907 150 39.72 4273 44.62 4 11 4 230 17 investigate this query
S Dhawan 2013-2016 20 36 1 1221 173 34.88 2206 55.34 3 3 4 148 3 investigate this query
KL Rahul 2014-2016 10 17 0 572 158 33.64 1056 54.16 3 1 1 67 6 investigate this query
R Ashwin 2013-2016 24 36 5 979 118 31.58 1922 50.93 2 6 1 105 5 investigate this query
MS Dhoni 2013-2014 11 21 1 621 82 31.05 1166 53.25 0 5 2 87 3 investigate this query
WP Saha 2014-2016 18 26 4 659 104 29.95 1470 44.82 1 4 3 67 6 investigate this query
RG Sharma 2013-2016 19 34 3 896 82 28.90 1753 51.11 0 7 4 81 21 investigate this query
RA Jadeja 2013-2016 18 30 5 675 90 27.00 1070 63.08 0 3 3 79

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=batting_average;qualmin1=5;qualval1=matches;spanmax1=05+Dec+2016;spanmin1=05+Dec+2013;spanval1=span;team=6;template=results;type=batting

 

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1 hour ago, express bowling said:

True.  What I  like about him is that Kohli works very hard to remove any weaknesses he has. Laxman was telling a story that, in his first test series, on a tour to the WI, he had major problems against bounce. After that, he worked very hard for days mostly against the bouncing ball and became the best player of pace and bounce in this team....with one South Africa and two Australia tour super-successes to prove this. Similarly, he was not comfortable on slow and low tracks but, in this series, he has played two clutch 2nd innings knocks of 81 and 49* with his team in trouble . He is playing with softer hands while defending to spinners now and leaving the good length deliveries that are spinning away. His another 2nd innings knock of 45  in the Eden gardens, on a green top with variable bounce,  was again superb. 

 

Ultimately, it is attitude, temperament and will to improve, that separate the champion players from the good ones....and it is here that Kohli scores very high...and is widely respected all over the cricket fraternity.  He has a new batting technique for quite some time now, where he moves back and across to seamers and goes to the pitch of the ball. This will help him counter swing bowling too. We saw him do that in the Asia Cup against Pakistan when most batters were at sea against the moving ball on  a green top. He seems to have learned from the England tour disaster and that is the way to go.

 

CBO...if you remember, we were discussing in another thread that Kohli had the highest run per innings in the last 3 years in test matches for us. Now, Kohli actually has the highest average too in tests in the last 3 years with 10 centuries in 31 tests.  Only 2 batsmen are averaging above 45 and only 3 are averaging above 40...and that is a cause for worry for our team.

 

Overall figures
Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS AveDescending BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s  
V Kohli 2013-2016 31 55 3 2724 211 52.38 4713 57.79 10 7 2 316 4 investigate this query
AM Rahane 2013-2016 31 53 7 2264 188 49.21 4262 53.12 8 9 4 263 19 investigate this query
CA Pujara 2013-2016 26 46 2 1883 153 42.79 4071 46.25 5 8 2 235 5 investigate this query
M Vijay 2013-2016 27 49 1 1907 150 39.72 4273 44.62 4 11 4 230 17 investigate this query
S Dhawan 2013-2016 20 36 1 1221 173 34.88 2206 55.34 3 3 4 148 3 investigate this query
KL Rahul 2014-2016 10 17 0 572 158 33.64 1056 54.16 3 1 1 67 6 investigate this query
R Ashwin 2013-2016 24 36 5 979 118 31.58 1922 50.93 2 6 1 105 5 investigate this query
MS Dhoni 2013-2014 11 21 1 621 82 31.05 1166 53.25 0 5 2 87 3 investigate this query
WP Saha 2014-2016 18 26 4 659 104 29.95 1470 44.82 1 4 3 67 6 investigate this query
RG Sharma 2013-2016 19 34 3 896 82 28.90 1753 51.11 0 7 4 81 21 investigate this query
RA Jadeja 2013-2016 18 30 5 675 90 27.00 1070 63.08 0 3 3 79

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=batting_average;qualmin1=5;qualval1=matches;spanmax1=05+Dec+2016;spanmin1=05+Dec+2013;spanval1=span;team=6;template=results;type=batting

 

No doubt he is a champion player and a fighter...he works hard on his game and is always looking to improve, has tremendous self-belief...but I am not yet fully convinced about his technique when playing short of a length and wide deliveries bowled from wide of the crease with an angle. He plays, pushing away from the body, and his bat nudges it through for a catch to the slip cordon. I am sure he wants to erase memories of the last Eng tour...eager to see how he handles this kind of line on the next tour to that country.

In this series there hasn't been any game in Eden so far...which 45* are you referring to?

Ya, I remember we were discussing why Kohli was India's best Test batsmen and why his wicket would be the most prized for Eng.

Thanks for sharing these stats...I agree this table doesn't paint a very rosy picture.
Though I believe Dhawan doesn't have the technique to survive on good wickets against quality bowling attacks, still he could have managed better numbers. Murali is a much better player, so really disappointed to see such low numbers for him. Will give some more time to Rahul, have high hopes from him. I am sure he will improve his numbers in due course of time. Ashwin has provided the much needed extra depth in batting...hope he continues the good work and also performs in ENG/SA/Aus/NZ. Jadeja can make himself more useful by working on his batting. It's a must if he wants to be a part of the Test team on foreign tours as well. Rahane is good; hopeful about Pujara, though he will have to be more consistent. Considering he bats at No. 3, those numbers certainly need to go up. Excited to see how young Jayant goes about his Test career...still early days for him, but he has shown plenty of promise. 

Posted
17 minutes ago, CricketBuffOne said:


In this series there hasn't been any game in Eden so far...which 45* are you referring to?

 

He scored 45 against New Zealand at the Eden Gardens in October 2016.  It was a green track of variable bounce with deliveries either keeping low or bouncing high.  The match was a low scoring one with batting becoming more difficult in the last 3 innings. Before he got out to a ball which crept along the ground....it was a very confident innings in such a  situation, with him middling almost every ball.

Posted
26 minutes ago, express bowling said:

He scored 45 against New Zealand at the Eden Gardens in October 2016.  It was a green track of variable bounce with deliveries either keeping low or bouncing high.  The match was a low scoring one with batting becoming more difficult in the last 3 innings. Before he got out to a ball which crept along the ground....it was a very confident innings in such a  situation, with him middling almost every ball.

I see...will have to look for highlights. 

Posted
On 12/5/2016 at 9:17 AM, express bowling said:

True.  What I  like about him is that Kohli works very hard to remove any weaknesses he has. Laxman was telling a story that, in his first test series, on a tour to the WI, he had major problems against bounce. After that, he worked very hard for days mostly against the bouncing ball and became the best player of pace and bounce in this team....with one South Africa and two Australia tour super-successes to prove this. Similarly, he was not comfortable on slow and low tracks but, in this series, he has played two clutch 2nd innings knocks of 81 and 49* with his team in trouble . He is playing with softer hands while defending to spinners now and leaving the good length deliveries that are spinning away. His another 2nd innings knock of 45  in the Eden gardens, on a green top with variable bounce,  was again superb. 

 

Ultimately, it is attitude, temperament and will to improve, that separate the champion players from the good ones....and it is here that Kohli scores very high...and is widely respected all over the cricket fraternity.  He has a new batting technique for quite some time now, where he moves back and across to seamers and goes to the pitch of the ball. This will help him counter swing bowling too. We saw him do that in the Asia Cup against Pakistan when most batters were at sea against the moving ball on  a green top. He seems to have learned from the England tour disaster and that is the way to go.

 

CBO...if you remember, we were discussing in another thread that Kohli had the highest run per innings in the last 3 years in test matches for us. Now, Kohli actually has the highest average too in tests in the last 3 years with 10 centuries in 31 tests.  Only 2 batsmen are averaging above 45 and only 3 are averaging above 40...and that is a cause for worry for our team.

 

Overall figures
Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS AveDescending BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s  
V Kohli 2013-2016 31 55 3 2724 211 52.38 4713 57.79 10 7 2 316 4 investigate this query
AM Rahane 2013-2016 31 53 7 2264 188 49.21 4262 53.12 8 9 4 263 19 investigate this query
CA Pujara 2013-2016 26 46 2 1883 153 42.79 4071 46.25 5 8 2 235 5 investigate this query
M Vijay 2013-2016 27 49 1 1907 150 39.72 4273 44.62 4 11 4 230 17 investigate this query
S Dhawan 2013-2016 20 36 1 1221 173 34.88 2206 55.34 3 3 4 148 3 investigate this query
KL Rahul 2014-2016 10 17 0 572 158 33.64 1056 54.16 3 1 1 67 6 investigate this query
R Ashwin 2013-2016 24 36 5 979 118 31.58 1922 50.93 2 6 1 105 5 investigate this query
MS Dhoni 2013-2014 11 21 1 621 82 31.05 1166 53.25 0 5 2 87 3 investigate this query
WP Saha 2014-2016 18 26 4 659 104 29.95 1470 44.82 1 4 3 67 6 investigate this query
RG Sharma 2013-2016 19 34 3 896 82 28.90 1753 51.11 0 7 4 81 21 investigate this query
RA Jadeja 2013-2016 18 30 5 675 90 27.00 1070 63.08 0 3 3 79

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=batting_average;qualmin1=5;qualval1=matches;spanmax1=05+Dec+2016;spanmin1=05+Dec+2013;spanval1=span;team=6;template=results;type=batting

 

Well, Vijay is around 40 avg. But yes, the rest are not pretty at all. Good to see Saha outscoring Rohit in terms of avgs.

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