Texan Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Janata Parivar II: Lalu, Nitish, MSY, Gowda form anti-BJP front National politics on Thursday signalled a move from anti-Congressism to anti-BJPism with offshoots of erstwhile Janata Parivar saying that there may be a merger of multiple regional parties to forge a common platform. JD(U) boss Nitish Kumar told reporters that the splinter groups of Janata Parivar of the 1970s have now decided on unity. "This meeting decided on our unity. In future, we can move from unity to merger into one party," he told reporters. The parties have decided on a common stance and agenda to take on the government in Parliament, identifying BJP's alleged U-turn on black money, employment for youths and farm prices as matters of concern. The statement came after a meeting at the residence of Samajwadi Party chief Mulayam Singh Yadav. Besides Yadav, the luncheon brainstorming was attended by RJD chief Lalu Prasad, H D Deve Gowda of JD(S), Dushyant Chautala of INLD, Kamal Morarka of SJP besides Nitish and his colleague Sharad Yadav. New front may give BJP hard time in RS The development is significant for being another instance of regional outfits closing ranks to ward off the threat of Narendra Modi-propelled BJP. These mechanics, till now, used to be dictated by the shared paranoia over Congress which has been reduced to a sideshow since the 2014 elections. What adds to the 'third front' urgency is that BJP has set its sights on the big prize of Bihar that goes to polls in November 2015 while Uttar Pradesh will follow in March 2017. The first instance of such collaboration came from Bihar after the Lok Sabha polls when sworn enemies Lalu and Nitish came together to keep the buoyant BJP at bay when the state government appeared tottering following defections. Congress is part of that combination. Nitish said the attempt at forging a larger unity would include the Left bloc and other political parties though he added there was no discussion about Congress. The meeting decided to hold the Centre accountable on black money, unemployment and support price for crops, alleging that PM Modi has gone back on his poll promises. This raises the prospect of protests in the winter session of Parliament. Though the Janata outfits together lack the numbers to seriously challenge the ruling alliance that has over 320 MPs in Lok Sabha, they have the potential to jam the Rajya Sabha where the government lacks a majority and where Congress has a good strength. According to Nitish, the PM had mentioned a specific amount of black money and promised to bring it back in the election campaign but had now made a U-turn that there was no information on the quantum of illegal wealth stashed outside. She said the PM sold the youth the dream of "crores of jobs" annually while government appointments have been frozen for one year. He said BJP had also promised to provide minimum support price to farmers equal to "investment on crop plus 50%" but there was complete silence on it after the formation of the government. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Janata-Parivar-II-Lalu-Nitish-MSY-Gowda-form-anti-BJP-front/articleshow/45064079.cms It makes sense for these dis-jointed dis-functional units to unite now to save their political careers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FischerTal Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Congress may as well join. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haarkarjeetgaye Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 AAP should join this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Lol at this unity thing.I will see how long these petty egostics stick together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vayuu1 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Ghantaa parivar 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sachin=GOD Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Lol..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raghav_12 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 They need to bring Congress along if they want to stop BJP Modi. But with prevailing level of pappu-ism in congress leadership, I doubt if they would agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 This formation will have some teeth to it if the likes of JD(s) and BJD join Ie give it a pan national outlook. otherwise this remains a UP Bihar outfit. Things have changed in UP as well. You have the BSP now. Its not as if Samajwadi party is the only major local party in UP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 They need to bring Congress along if they want to stop BJP Modi. But with prevailing level of pappu-ism in congress leadership' date= I doubt if they would agree. agree I do believe the VP singh government under the Janata banner was supported on the outside by the BJP. Ironically also by the communists. They will need the congress thats for sure. In Bihar it does appear the Janata factions are taking Congress along. Remains to be seen if in 2017 SP will tie up with Ajit singh and the congress.I notice the samajwadi party has helped the congress get rajya sabha seat in UP (punia). It depends how many seats the SP gives the congress (100 out of 400?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 and btw i would love to hear our local UP expert S=G's comment on the rajya sabha nominations in UP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raghav_12 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 This formation will have some teeth to it if the likes of JD(s) and BJD join Ie give it a pan national outlook. otherwise this remains a UP Bihar outfit. Things have changed in UP as well. You have the BSP now. Its not as if Samajwadi party is the only major local party in UP Actually this kind of combinations work as double-edged sword. On one hand it helps defeat BJP on the places where BJP is dominant force while in other areas it makes BJP second large group by default which may add vote percentage of BJP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Actually this kind of combinations work as double-edged sword. On one hand it helps defeat BJP on the places where BJP is dominant force while in other areas it makes BJP second large group by default which may add vote percentage of BJP. well look at the states in question. Haryana--- BJP is number 1 already. This one is there they might become permanently number 1/2 depending on how the INLD view ties with Congress. Karnataka-- been number 1/2 interchangeably for the last decade UP--- BJP is number 3 if you ignore the lok sabha but has been number 1 a decade ago. If the BJP do win in UP they dont cover new ground. Bihar-- Again on their own strength at the moment BJP are number 1/2 anyways. So your talking about states where the BJP do have good enough presence. The length of the Janata parivar also depends, if the Modi wave recedes from say currently 10-15% to 5% then there may not be a need for the alliances to remain intact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalpat Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 They need to bring Congress along if they want to stop BJP Modi. But with prevailing level of pappu-ism in congress leadership' date= I doubt if they would agree. Suppose if this becomes true and Congress also joins them, what exactly as an Indian we will gain by stopping Modi and giving governance to Nitish+ Lalu+Rahul+Maya+Mulayam+Mamta combo. I mean at what all points do you think Modi has not performed well after becoming PM which these guys would have handelled better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Thats what happened in the late 80s early 90s no? the Janata pariwars **** government took us to the IMF I would rather take a congress government than the janata pariwar. In 1977 is guess it was fair enough they formed. Indira Gandhi basically would have morphed into a dictator if she had managed to win that election after faking emergency Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FischerTal Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Suppose if this becomes true and Congress also joins them' date=' what exactly as an Indian we will gain by stopping Modi and giving governance to Nitish+ Lalu+Rahul+Maya+Mulayam+Mamta combo. I mean at what all points do you think Modi has not performed well after becoming PM which these guys would have handelled better.[/quote'] Psecs join to ruin India for another 60 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalpat Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Thats what happened in the late 80s early 90s no? the Janata pariwars **** government took us to the IMF I would rather take a congress government than the janata pariwar. In 1977 is guess it was fair enough they formed. Indira Gandhi basically would have morphed into a dictator if she had managed to win that election after faking emergency Yes it would be much better if Congress finds a Modi in their team rather than joining bunch of self centred, opportunist and highly egoistic pariwar. Congress would be finished with whatever it is left with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 The thing is Congress had their chance and blew it They had 2010-2011 to pass major economic reforms. But the socialist mindset of the Gandhis really did cause problems. Another issue was making Mukherjee as Finance min. So its not just about psecular-communal. Its also about making the right calls for the economy. ITs about maintaining the right balance between capitalist and socialist policies. People forget that food inflation was running pretty high and the rupee collapsed under the last 2 years of the UPA governance. 2004-2011 was fine as a result of global cues and India have built enough reserves to absorb the economic downturn globally. If the economy was growing by 8-9% instead of 4.8% I am sure the congress would still be in power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 and the same goes for Modi India is growing in-between 5-6% atm he bumps that to 8-9% come 2019 (i am talking about the financial year Jan 2018 onwards) and keeps inflation at about 5-6% then I am pretty sure he will be PM for a second term. If not outright then atleast part of a coalition with the BJP being the biggest party. For India to reach growth >8% 2018 onwards it needs major structural reforms in the years 2014-2016. Now obviously global growth will also matter. The truth is the congress did a good job 2008-2010 in terms of navigating the ship through troubled waters. Problem is the reforms which should have been made never arrived..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sachin=GOD Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 and btw i would love to hear our local UP expert S=G's comment on the rajya sabha nominations in UP SP had 6 tickets (5 in reality bcoz Prof. Ram Gopal Yadav's name was certain) so many people from outside (Amar Singh, Ajit Singh, Kapil Sibal, certain big media persons) wanted a ticket but Amar Singh lost bcoz Akhilesh Yadav and Azam Khan are against him (a good development in UP since the by-elections has been that Akhilesh Yadav has now got some control over his Govt. - recently he sacked more than 70 people who had been given the status of a minister bcoz they were chairmen of some Govt bodies etc). MSY had to keep Azam Khan happy so his wife was given a ticket (and as expected, both did some drama and the ticket was returned and then accepted). Congress has given it to PL Punia - it looks like its primarily because of his caste. Mayawati is going back to her core voters (ditching Brahmins for now bcoz BJP currently is too strong so she won't get much upper caste vote anyway) thus tickets to 2 dalit candidates. As for BJP - there was, as expected, massive demand for the one seat but in reality nobody except Modi and Shah had any influence over the decision and once Parikkar's name was finalized for defense minister, nobody else stood a chance. Best thing that happened was that Ajit Singh didn't get a ticket - Indian politics' biggest opportunist is all but finished :nice: BTW interesting development in UP BJP - Lucknow Mayor Dinesh Sharma has suddenly (within the last 2 months) been given many important responsibilities - first he was made National Vice prez, then one of the observers in selecting Haryana CM, then state in-charge of Gujarat and now the National in-charge of the BJP's membership drive. Modi-Shah are either trying to develop him as a counter for Rajnath Singh in UP or they have him in mind as one of the top contenders for the CM's post/CM candidate in 2017. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sachin=GOD Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 agree I do believe the VP singh government under the Janata banner was supported on the outside by the BJP. Ironically also by the communists. They will need the congress thats for sure. In Bihar it does appear the Janata factions are taking Congress along. Remains to be seen if in 2017 SP will tie up with Ajit singh and the congress.I notice the samajwadi party has helped the congress get rajya sabha seat in UP (punia). It depends how many seats the SP gives the congress (100 out of 400?) Ajit Singh is pretty much at the end of his career - he may yet go to the Rajya Sabha next year by some maneuvering but he has lost a lot of his support by constantly changing sides and by not doing anything at all for the Jats (his biggest supporters) - he's more of a liability for anyone that goes with him. SP may go with Cong but it would not be of much use bcoz Cong is very, very weak in UP - they have no grass root organization or leader and Rahul Gandhi results in losing votes rather than in getting more votes......so giving anything more than 50 seats to them would be wasted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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