Magneto Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 (edited) 28 minutes ago, express bowling said: Which is why IPL performance is just one of the many factors which should be used to determine which bowlers are picked for our LOL teams. Performing in the IPL does not result in a high probability of LOI success. Different factors like ability to bowl yorkers, slower balls, surprise bouncers, pace, accuracy, ability to keep calm under pressure etc. should be used along with performances in A Team games, IPL, VH, SMA etc. to determine the suitability of a pacer for LOIs. There is also the issue of bowling combination and what kind of bowler the Indian team needs to form a good combination. Sandeep Sharma is not adept at bowling yorkers and slower balls , which is why he often finished his quota in the first 10 overs. It will be difficult for him to be in our playing 11 of he cannot be trusted to bowl at the death. Regarding bowling combination, I doubt our management is going to choose 2 medium paced swing bowlers as our 2 specialist pacers, as Bhuvi will anyway play ahead of Sandeep and we usually play only 2 specialist pacers. But isn’t that a given? Performing well in the most demanding domestic tournament shows that you have potential, but international cricket is a completely different league - and you can barely say who will have consistent success there. Also, bowling a crucial yorker to a random player from a random zone in SMAT is far less valuable than bowling the same yorker to ABD in a pressure match. It shows if you can handle the pressure. Also, players successful in IPL are always discussed all across the media for the same reason - everyone’s discussing whether Tripathi or Rana can play India, but no one is really bothered whether Harpreet Singh has a chance. Doing it in the biggest, most widely seen platform makes an obviously difference. Yes, Sandeep will not be played ahead of Bhuvi or Shami or Bumrah or Yadav. He is far behind the Top 4 anyway, but can be in the mix for sure. Edited May 7, 2017 by Magneto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 1 minute ago, speedheat said: Good points, that's exactly what I wanted to hear sandip won't be a world beater, and nobody is denying his mix I was just arguing that he can't be a world beater which you agree And who among the speed demons are World beaters? Sidhoni 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedheat Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Ishant has most of those,you must love him Sandeep has swing,control and brains.And actual performances against big batsmen That's not the answer my friend, Lol sorry don't bring ishant in it now, so you some what accepts that he is limited ????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedheat Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 See height, chest size, forearm size are all good, but they don’t make you win matches. I agree some of these are very essential ingredients, but the consistent application of these make the difference. Sandeep can probably run through a few teams in favourable conditions; but I doubt the speed monsters can even do that. However, I do agree that if Sandeep can add a yard of pace and be around 136-137 constantly, he will be much better off. Favorable conditions is the key word, I don't want a bowler who depends on conditions then a skill sets those can be headaches for captains express bowling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedheat Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 And who among the speed demons are World beaters? Wi pace brigade, wasim waquar hadlee imran, Lee,akhtar , starch bolt amir list is endless even McGrath wasn't a mug in terms of pace Zak, srinath etc express bowling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, speedheat said: Wi pace brigade, wasim waquar hadlee imran, Lee,akhtar , starch bolt amir list is endless even McGrath wasn't a mug in terms of pace Zak, srinath etc None of these are current Indian cricketers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedheat Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 None of these are current Indian cricketers. so?? Are they trundlers???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magneto Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 6 minutes ago, speedheat said: Wi pace brigade, wasim waquar hadlee imran, Lee,akhtar , starch bolt amir list is endless even McGrath wasn't a mug in terms of pace Zak, srinath etc When was Zak a speed demon? Sidhoni 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 8 minutes ago, Magneto said: But isn’t that a given? Performing well in the most demanding domestic tournament shows that you have potential, but international cricket is a completely different league - and you can barely say who will have consistent success there. Also, bowling a crucial yorker to a random player from a random zone in SMAT is far less valuable than bowling the same yorker to ABD in a pressure match. It shows if you can handle the pressure. Also, players successful in IPL are always discussed all across the media for the same reason - everyone’s discussing whether Tripathi or Rana can play India, but no one is really bothered whether Harpreet Singh has a chance. Doing it in the biggest, most widely seen platform makes an obviously difference. Yes, Sandeep will not be played ahead of Bhuvi or Shami or Bumrah or Yadav. He is far behind the Top 4 anyway, but can be in the mix for sure. My point is that, for Sandeep to be in the mix for LOIs, he will have to master the yorker, slower ball and bowling at the death and showcase it in the IPL and A Team games. India generally plays only 2 specialist seamers in LOIs and we cannot afford a PP specialist. Sandeep was not in the India A teams in recent times, which proves that he was not being considered as an LOI prospect in recent times by the selectors. speedheat and Mosher 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedheat Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 You're advocating sandip then please answer Where is Pace? Bounce?? Height? Good pacy yorker?? Slower one Or natural seam moment??? He is lacking or not good in all those ingredients Will you answer please???? Hey@lord answer please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasgulla Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Head took apart phasttt yadav Sandeep took apart other team yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedheat Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 When was Zak a speed demon? Not a demon but was quite fast when debut, 2003 WC??,he was as fast as any, certainly not a trundler express bowling and Mosher 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magneto Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 1 minute ago, express bowling said: My point is that, for Sandeep to be in the mix for LOIs, he will have to master the yorker, slower ball and bowling at the death and showcase it in the IPL and A Team games. India generally plays only 2 specialist seamers in LOIs and we cannot afford a PP specialist. Sandeep was not in the India A teams in recent times, which proves that he was not being considered as an LOI prospect in recent times by the selectors. I thought Sandeep has mostly bowled decently at the death. I am not sure whether his slower would be of any use, but he can work on the yorker probably. He has not been in the radar of the selectors off late, but can come back after this IPL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 17 minutes ago, Texan said: And who among the speed demons are World beaters? Shami in ODIs and Test matches ( played in Asia ). Bumrah in ODIs and T20Is. Mosher and speedheat 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 6 minutes ago, speedheat said: so?? Are they trundlers???? LOL. You said Sandeep Sharma is not a World beater. Now, tell me which of our phassssshhhttt bowlers are World beaters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magneto Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, speedheat said: Not a demon but was quite fast when debut, 2003 WC??,he was as fast as any, certainly not a trundler Zak’s highest ever has been 145, Agarkar and Nehra has done better. I only remember Srinath, Ishant (in some matches) and VRV to be 145+ in the 90s and the 2000s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Magneto said: I thought Sandeep has mostly bowled decently at the death. I am not sure whether his slower would be of any use, but he can work on the yorker probably. He has not been in the radar of the selectors off late, but can come back after this IPL. No. He has been a first 8 over specialist in the IPL, when the ball is swinging a bit. His yorkers are average and not dependable yet. His slower balls are not much different from his faster ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 1 minute ago, express bowling said: Shami in ODIs and Test matches ( played in Asia ). Bumrah in ODIs and T20Is. That's it. Nobody from the superfast brigade of Yadav, Aaron, etc.? How come they are not World beaters with all that pace? Lord 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magneto Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, express bowling said: Shami in ODIs and Test matches ( played in Asia ). Bumrah in ODIs and T20Is. What would be Bumrah’s average speed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 10 minutes ago, Magneto said: When was Zak a speed demon? Zak was a fast-medium bowler who hit the deck hard when needed. Had a sharp bouncer and could push the batsman on the back foot. He was not a trundler and lack of pace/bounce was never a problem with him. speedheat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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