Muloghonto Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, zen said: name and position please First supply reasoned arguments as asked rather than empty pronouncements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted March 22, 2020 Author Share Posted March 22, 2020 Just now, Muloghonto said: First supply reasoned arguments as asked rather than empty pronouncements. fraud alert Name and position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 1 minute ago, zen said: fraud alert Name and position Fraud alert: reasoned arguments first, as is the order of requests, please. You can keep dodging but you owe explanation first, as asked first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 22 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: D) people who are educated in history and see that in our own literature, coins, inscriptions as well as foreign ones, India/hindh/Hindustan is the most dominant usage, second most common usage is between aryadesha or jambhudwipa and bharat is historically a much less used term, therefore has less historic meaning to our culture and history. Hence we want to keep our prime name as the one that has most usage and weight of history. @zen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted March 22, 2020 Author Share Posted March 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: Fraud alert: reasoned arguments first, as is the order of requests, please. You can keep dodging but you owe explanation first, as asked first Name and position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 1 minute ago, zen said: Name and position Reasoning first. I asked first, you won’t get to jump the queue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted March 22, 2020 Author Share Posted March 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: Reasoning first. I asked first, you won’t get to jump the queue As expected, pretending that nothing has been provided to not provide name and position VHP eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Just now, zen said: As expected, pretending that nothing has been provided to not provide name and position VHP eh? Nothing has been provided because none of your pronouncements have supplied a reason. Saying ‘ they are different’ isn’t a reasoning, champ. Now go learn some history and learn that Hindustan and India are the BAAP of bharat in historical usage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted March 22, 2020 Author Share Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: Nothing has been provided because none of your pronouncements have supplied a reason. Saying ‘ they are different’ isn’t a reasoning, champ. Now go learn some history and learn that Hindustan and India are the BAAP of bharat in historical usage. Fraud exposed First, you came running to the thread to turn it into a historical usage of terms problem as if the term with the longest history (as recorded by foreigners) should be used is even a criteria .... Reality - a term can be significant even if it is new Second, after reading my post on Jews on another thread, you brought Jews in thinking that remembering suffering is some kind of a criteria Third, you suggested that because Jews, a religious group present the world over for centuries, are called Jews everywhere, Indians should be called Indians .... Jews are a ethno-religious group while Indian is a nationality. Jewish of Jewish nation Israel are called Israelis .... You even lack basic understanding of nuances Fourth, the assumption (unrelated parallel drawn) that because Jews are called Jews, Indians have to be called Indians .... Reality, people in the country do not have to do what Jews or anyone else for the matter do Fifth .... bring the term "Hindustan" into discussion .... when the term is not in official use .... and its importance (or lack of) has no relation with Bharat the official name when the discussion is b/w the two official terms and so on (can full of worms) FInally, you claim to represent VHP, again dragging an irrelevant to the discussion organization unnecessarily into this, and make claims on its behalf, while failing to provide your name and position .... how embarrassing this is for anyone with actual sense of dignity You have zero understanding of nuances, assume that your dumb criteria is what others too judge issues by (and expect others to discuss with you in your childish manner), drag irrelevant groups into the discussions, make claim to represent them, not provide name and position, and struggle day and night to put in the last word (a hallmark of childish tendencies) /discussion with you PS Name and position Edited March 22, 2020 by zen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, zen said: Fraud is exposed Yet another empty claim. 5 minutes ago, zen said: First, you came running to the thread as to turn it into the historical usage of terms as if the term with the longest history (as recorded by foreigners) should be used is a criteria. Reality - a term can be significant even if it is new It is a criteria because history is part of culture. Even our own sources use Hindustan, an alliteration of India, more than Bharat in the last 1000 years. a new term is not historically representative so it has less cultural value. 5 minutes ago, zen said: Second, after reading my post on Jews on another thread, you brought Jews in thinking that remembering suffering is some kind of a criteria Thats your speculation, I don’t even know where you mentioned Jews. Self congratulatory nonsense from a person who has no concept of history. 5 minutes ago, zen said: Third, you suggested that Jews, a religious group present the world over for centuries, are called Jews everywhere, Indians should be called Indians. Jews are a ethno-religious group while Indian is a nationality. Jewish of Jewish nation Israel are called Israelis .... you even lack basic understanding of nuances Indian is also an ethnic term. Jews still call themselves Jews, a term that they do not call each other by, just like with India. Hence comparative basis. 5 minutes ago, zen said: Fourth, the assumption that because Jews are called Jews, Indians have to be called Indians Analogy of how one marginalized group uses identity to another marginalized group that is less historically aware(indians). Analogy still not refuted. 5 minutes ago, zen said: Fifth .... and so on (can full of worms) FInally, you claim to represent VHP, again dragging an irrelevant to the discussion organization unnecessarily into this, and make claims on their behalf, while failing to provide your name and position .... how embarrassing this is for anyone with any sense of dignity Nobody doxxes themselves over the Internet. You can assume whatever you want but VHP is slowly waking up too on why India >>> Bharat. 5 minutes ago, zen said: You have zero understanding of nuances, assume that your criteria is what others judge issues by, drag irrelevant groups into the discussions, make claim to represent them, not provide name and position Nuances and such are excuses without justification from you and you are the one lacking nuance, because of the simple fact that even our own ancestors have used the term hindh/Hindustan, which is represented by the anglicized term India, more than Bharat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 @zen: India >>>> Bharat because India >>> Bharat in historical usage and history is part of culture. The end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted March 22, 2020 Author Share Posted March 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: Thats your speculation, I don’t even know where you mentioned Jews. Self congratulatory nonsense from a person who has no concept of history. Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted March 22, 2020 Author Share Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: @zen: India >>>> Bharat because India >>> Bharat in historical usage and history is part of culture. For you, yes (not for those who prefer Bharat based on their criteria) Quote The end. name and position please Edited March 22, 2020 by zen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 3 hours ago, zen said: Not interested in such dumb opinions and of course the inclination for foreigners Not interested in your dumb and historically ignorant position either. 3 hours ago, zen said: Thank you for again vindicating the childish use of logic and assumptions by you as I had already explained - " Your argument is self destructive as: a) It lacks the understanding as to why Jews are called Jews b) Assumes that Jews call themselves Jews to highlight suffering (an offensive statement for Jews as well) c) Ignores Israel d) Ignores communities that have suffered (or whatever) and changed their names e) Assumes that remembering "suffering" is the key goal to having a label" Repeating your proclamations won’t change the fact that you have not provided any justifying logic. 3 hours ago, zen said: Besides displaying a lack of understanding of the above, the basic point of that no one is obliged to follow others (including Jews) is foolishly ignored by you No one is obliged to take your anti-Indian history and therefore anti Indian culture stance seriously either. 3 hours ago, zen said: Did I not say why people like you would think that? Your dumb speculations are ignored due to being dumb slander with no substantiation. I presented option D, which you ignored. Coz you are ignorant of Indian history. 3 hours ago, zen said: Bunch of random comments and assumption while throwing VHP in as if it matters and that what you say is actually what VHP believes/agrees Bunch of random comments and no refutation from historically ignorant dumbos like you mean nothing. india >> Bharat because India is more representational of our cultural history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, zen said: For you, yes Yes and for many others too. 5 minutes ago, zen said: name and position please Refutation logic first please. Explain the nuances and explain the rationale on why the analogies are incorrect. Till then, ghanta for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted March 22, 2020 Author Share Posted March 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: Not interested in your dumb and historically ignorant position either. Repeating your proclamations won’t change the fact that you have not provided any justifying logic. No one is obliged to take your anti-Indian history and therefore anti Indian culture stance seriously either. Your dumb speculations are ignored due to being dumb slander with no substantiation. I presented option D, which you ignored. Coz you are ignorant of Indian history. Bunch of random comments and no refutation from historically ignorant dumbos like you mean nothing. india >> Bharat because India is more representational of our cultural history. Appears that you are psychologically impacted .... how many times will you quote that post 4 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: Yes and for many others too. Refutation logic first please. Explain the nuances and explain the rationale on why the analogies are incorrect. Till then, ghanta for you Name and position please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, zen said: Appears that you are psychologically impacted .... how many times will you quote that post As many times as it’s required to drive into your head that India >>>> Bharat in our cultural history 2 minutes ago, zen said: Name and position please Refutation first please. Saying it’s irrelevant isn’t a refutation logic, it’s a declaration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted March 22, 2020 Author Share Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: As many times as it’s required to drive into your head that India >>>> Bharat in our cultural history For people with a certain mentality like you Quote Refutation first please. Saying it’s irrelevant isn’t a refutation logic, it’s a declaration. Already provided unless you are dumb and childish enough to think that it has to be as per what you understand (spoon feeding) I do not care for your name and position .... just that you do not have it in you to back up the claim of being a part of an organization while making "unnecessary and irrelevant" claims on their behalf .... and as expected you will remain hidden behind some pretense As I said, this is too big for your boots Edited March 22, 2020 by zen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 India has a brand recognition associated with it, that we have to embrace. Bharat is nice, but is way secondary. This is a useless debate. Muloghonto 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 53 minutes ago, zen said: For people with a certain mentality like you Yes thats called the mentality of those educated in Indian history, unlike you. 53 minutes ago, zen said: Already provided unless you are dumb and childish enough to think that it has to be as per what you understand (spoon feeding) No reasoning has been provided , only blank assertions from you. 53 minutes ago, zen said: I do not care for your name and position .... just that you do not have it in you to back up the claim of being a part of an organization while making "unnecessary and irrelevant" claims on their behalf .... and as expected you will remain hidden behind some pretense Sorry but until you can presentreasoning behind your assertions, we can all see that toy have nothing significant to contribute. 53 minutes ago, zen said: As I said, this is too big for your boots India >>>> Bharat for all who care about our cultural history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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