Hardik Pandya doesn't contribute with bat, lucky to be called all-rounder: Roger Binny

[zen]

1 minute ago, Khota said:

You look very comfortable making that statement.

Is that based on your eyeballs test? 

[Khota]

1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

i didnt lie .....u just took this series, why to ignore 2013 tour 

N even if compare this tour hardik highest was 94 n rohit 47.....pandya made double 

 

why wud not count 2013 horrible tour of SA of rohit , when u wanna criticise pandya on his 1st tour

waha hypocricy

 

and again i asked u show me what has rohit done in test ......waiting for the answer

Dont shout. It is called bad manners. You lied. You cheated . You apologize.

[zen]

Gadhe ke saath time pass .... 

Edited March 25, 2018 by zen

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 minutes ago, Khota said:

Dont shout. It is called bad manners. You lied. You cheated . You apologize.

no i didnt here is the prove, ja cricinfo se ladayi kar ab 

 

 

he has an avg of 15 in SA

 

u dnt even know how to watch stats

 

[Khota]

2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

no i didnt here is the prove, ja cricinfo se ladayi kar ab 

 

 

he has an avg of 15 in SA

 

u dnt even know how to watch stats

 

Here are my hand calculations: Prove me wrong.

 

Rohit: 11, 10, 10, 47  Ave = 19.5

 

 

[zen]

Anyone can see @Ankit_sharma03 has posted the overall stats in SA 

 

While this tool is probably talking about his last 4 innings. And because the average is still lower than Pandya’s, he wants to remove Pandya’s 93 (while including the 47) and act as if the ave of 19 or whatever makes sense for a specialist batsmen 

 

What a fool to think others are naive enough to not catch his dumb game  

Edited March 25, 2018 by zen

[Khota]

25 minutes ago, zen said:

Anyone can see @Ankit_sharma03 has posted the overall stats in SA 

 

While this tool is probably talking about his last 4 innings. And because the average is still lower than Pandya’s, he wants to remove Pandya’s 93 (while including the 47) and act as if the ave of 19 or whatever makes sense for a specialist batsmen 

 

What a fool to think others are naive enough to not catch his dumb game  

I am sure your parents taught you better.

We were talking this series. Sharma was not great but neither was Pandya. To claim pandya is better bat is a reach.

We can go on and on or bump this thread a year from now when Pandya would amount to nothng.

[zen]

1 minute ago, Khota said:

I am sure your parents taught you better.

We were talking this series. Sharma was not great but neither was Pandya. To claim pandya is better bat is a reach.

We can go on and on or bump this thread a year from now when Pandya would amount to nothng.

Were you not claiming Rohit did better than Pandya in this series, despite Rohit averaging less? 

 

If both were equally bad with the bat, Pandya contributed more by picking wkts and through his fielding, along with adding value through intangibles like never say die spirit which rubbed on to the team

 

/thread

[Khota]

1 hour ago, zen said:

Were you not claiming Rohit did better than Pandya in this series, despite Rohit averaging less? 

 

If both were equally bad with the bat, Pandya contributed more by picking wkts and through his fielding, along with adding value through intangibles like never say die spirit which rubbed on to the team

 

/thread

This was about Pandya and someone claimed he was better than Sharma as a bat. That is when it escalated.

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 hours ago, Khota said:

Here are my hand calculations: Prove me wrong.

 

Rohit: 11, 10, 10, 47  Ave = 19.5

 

 

awwww u knw rohit so bad that u have to hide his 1st tour 

 

so ull be unfairely comparing a youngster 1st tour to someone 2nd tour of same place, koi na pandya did better in his 1st tour then rohit did in his 2nd tour means he leanrned nothing 

 

if u wanna take this series only , well rohit sharma did nothing . Pandya atleast played a brilliant knock ...rohit didnt that to. Then pandya took wkts as well whereas after his failure in batting rohit is of no use. 

 

just to save ur face, u cnt hide rohit sharma 1st SA tour, it counts and the reality is in his 2nd tour he learned nothing whereas he shud have done better. 

1 hour ago, Khota said:

This was about Pandya and someone claimed he was better than Sharma as a bat. That is when it escalated.

ofcourse, what has rohit sharma done u still havent answer. I told u pandya has a 100 outside india and almost a 100 in SA 

Rohit sharma highest score overseas is 70 + and he has played around 20+ innings .

 

Forget pandya many are better batsman then rohit in test , after all how difficult is to beat an avg of 22 in overseas.....ashwin n bhuvi has done that easily. Shami can beat that to 

 

Rohit sharma is garbage in test cricket who if not for kohli wud have not worn the test cap again

[Khota]

22 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

awwww u knw rohit so bad that u have to hide his 1st tour 

 

so ull be unfairely comparing a youngster 1st tour to someone 2nd tour of same place, koi na pandya did better in his 1st tour then rohit did in his 2nd tour means he leanrned nothing 

 

if u wanna take this series only , well rohit sharma did nothing . Pandya atleast played a brilliant knock ...rohit didnt that to. Then pandya took wkts as well whereas after his failure in batting rohit is of no use. 

 

just to save ur face, u cnt hide rohit sharma 1st SA tour, it counts and the reality is in his 2nd tour he learned nothing whereas he shud have done better. 

ofcourse, what has rohit sharma done u still havent answer. I told u pandya has a 100 outside india and almost a 100 in SA 

Rohit sharma highest score overseas is 70 + and he has played around 20+ innings .

 

Forget pandya many are better batsman then rohit in test , after all how difficult is to beat an avg of 22 in overseas.....ashwin n bhuvi has done that easily. Shami can beat that to 

 

Rohit sharma is garbage in test cricket who if not for kohli wud have not worn the test cap again

We were talking this tour. You got desoerate to prove you are right you started cooking and manipulating. Sharma never got the third match when he was in a groove after hitting almost 50.

 

We will go on and on but the proof of pudding is eating. You can go on and on but there is no substitute for runs.

You can cherry pick any stat but Rohit > Pandya, Ashwin and Bhuvi in batting.

[Ankit_sharma03]

6 minutes ago, Khota said:

We were talking this tour. You got desoerate to prove you are right you started cooking and manipulating. Sharma never got the third match when he was in a groove after hitting almost 50.

 

We will go on and on but the proof of pudding is eating. You can go on and on but there is no substitute for runs.

You can cherry pick any stat but Rohit > Pandya, Ashwin and Bhuvi in batting.

Ok lets take this tour, he still has done less then pandya ......happy 

 

Bhuvi avg - 33 + 10 wkts 

ashwin- 22 +7 wkts

Pandya - 19.83 + 3 wkts

rohit - 19.50 ( bhaisaab se to run bhi na bane fir kis kaam ke , specialist hahahhahah)

 

u see rest compare to rohit are bowlers or all rounder, thats the biggest failure of rohit sharma his avg are worst then them and those guys take wkts to 

 

so yea keep doing - Rohit > Pandya, Ashwin and Bhuvi( whereas contribution n end result shows something else)

 

sharma has played so much abhi tak kyun kuch nhin kiya

Failure everywhere, cant beg for one more chanvces when u cant do anything in so many 

 

N when he got dropped we won, take Lords win .....again no rohit sharma ( u see the pattern)

 

Pandya ashwin, n bhuvi have done better then rohit sharma overseas...every stat will prove that . Unfortunately u cnt even cherry pick 

Edited March 25, 2018 by Ankit_sharma03

[Ankit_sharma03]

4 hours ago, zen said:

Anyone can see @Ankit_sharma03 has posted the overall stats in SA 

 

While this tool is probably talking about his last 4 innings. And because the average is still lower than Pandya’s, he wants to remove Pandya’s 93 (while including the 47) and act as if the ave of 19 or whatever makes sense for a specialist batsmen 

 

What a fool to think others are naive enough to not catch his dumb game  

Go watch 3 wkt keeper thread- their is a gem when the gentleman doesnt even knw the diff between off side n leg side and gives gyaan how to keep wkts and blantely denis parthiv dropping so many catches. For him dropping 9 catches in 4 games is normal 

[zen]

2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Go watch 3 wkt keeper thread- their is a gem when the gentleman doesnt even knw the diff between off side n leg side and gives gyaan how to keep wkts and blantely denis parthiv dropping so many catches. For him dropping 9 catches in 4 games is normal 

 

 

Anyways, I do not follow cricket as much (apart from marque overseas test series and ICc events) as I used to. But looked at some batting stats overseas in the last two years:

 

#	Batsman	Overseas Innings	Overseas Avg	Home Avg	Overseas 50s or more	Overseas 50 /Inning
1	Rahane	8	75.57	31.95	4	50%
2	Rahul	9	45.33	46.70	4	44%
3	Pandya	9	33.00		3	33%
4	Dhawan	10	52.80	35.00	3	30%
5	Kolhi	14	53.69	80.95	4	29%
6	Ashwin	11	41.54	23.00	3	27%
7	Pujara	12	39.25	61.73	3	25%
8	Rohit	6	21.33	113.75	0	0%
9	Vijay	7	15.57	44.29	0	0%

 

 

Sorted based on 1) Overseas 50s / inning ratio, 2) Average. More than AR vs Specialist Batsmen, Ind has faltered by not picking the optimal specialists (5 batsmen and 4 bowlers) 

[zen]

44 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Ok lets take this tour, he still has done less then pandya ......happy 

 

Bhuvi avg - 33 + 10 wkts 

ashwin- 22 +7 wkts

Pandya - 19.83 + 3 wkts

rohit - 19.50 ( bhaisaab se to run bhi na bane fir kis kaam ke , specialist hahahhahah)

To "quantify" the benefit, when you have time, may be you should post a table of runs scored, wkts taken, direct run outs impacted, and number of innings played. Assign 1 point for each run, 20 points of each wkt and 20 points of each direct run out. Divided the total by # of innings to give the value per inning score

 

PS based on above:

Pandya (19.83*6) + (3*20) = 119+60 = 179. 179/6 = 29.83 Value 

Rohit 19.50 Value 

 

So Pandya provided more (53%) value than Rohit in the series. Direct hits have not been considered in this quick analysis. Intangibles such as "never say die" spirit, along with ability to take blinders, are not even considered 

Edited March 25, 2018 by zen

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, zen said:

For everyone's benefit, when you have time, may be you should post a table of runs scored, wkts taken, direct run outs impacted, and number of innings played. Assign 1 point for each run, 20 points of each wkt and 20 points of each direct run out. Divided the total by # of innings to give the value per inning score. That would be an eye opener for many, who make blanket statements 

have done that , but the gentleman doesnt wanna see simple thread.....itna complicate krunga wo samjhega nhin 

 

Actually for me a wkt counts 25-30 runs 

 

during the series i did that so pandya 1st match contribution was actually around 150+

[zen]

12 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

have done that , but the gentleman doesnt wanna see simple thread.....itna complicate krunga wo samjhega nhin 

 

Actually for me a wkt counts 25-30 runs 

 

during the series i did that so pandya 1st match contribution was actually around 150+

Edited my last post to add the "value" data 

Edited March 25, 2018 by zen

[Khota]

4 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Ok lets take this tour, he still has done less then pandya ......happy 

 

Bhuvi avg - 33 + 10 wkts 

ashwin- 22 +7 wkts

Pandya - 19.83 + 3 wkts

rohit - 19.50 ( bhaisaab se to run bhi na bane fir kis kaam ke , specialist hahahhahah)

 

u see rest compare to rohit are bowlers or all rounder, thats the biggest failure of rohit sharma his avg are worst then them and those guys take wkts to 

 

so yea keep doing - Rohit > Pandya, Ashwin and Bhuvi( whereas contribution n end result shows something else)

 

sharma has played so much abhi tak kyun kuch nhin kiya

Failure everywhere, cant beg for one more chanvces when u cant do anything in so many 

 

N when he got dropped we won, take Lords win .....again no rohit sharma ( u see the pattern)

 

Pandya ashwin, n bhuvi have done better then rohit sharma overseas...every stat will prove that . Unfortunately u cnt even cherry pick 

These are the two numbers you were supposed to mention and you put the wrong ones. Thanks for being honest finally.

For a differential of .33 you declare that Pandya is a better bat than Rohit.

And based on this you claim that Bhuvi, Ashwin and Pnadya re better bat than Rohit.

There is only one thing left to say. You are dumber than a door knob.

[Khota]

3 hours ago, zen said:

To "quantify" the benefit, when you have time, may be you should post a table of runs scored, wkts taken, direct run outs impacted, and number of innings played. Assign 1 point for each run, 20 points of each wkt and 20 points of each direct run out. Divided the total by # of innings to give the value per inning score

 

PS based on above:

Pandya (19.83*6) + (3*20) = 119+60 = 179. 179/6 = 29.83 Value 

Rohit 19.50 Value 

 

So Pandya provided more (53%) value than Rohit in the series. Direct hits have not been considered in this quick analysis. Intangibles such as "never say die" spirit, along with ability to take blinders, are not even considered 

This discussion was a simple bnary one where he claimed that Pandya is better than Rohit in batting. For a 0.33 differential if that is what you claim is true then you are a gem.

[zen]

8 minutes ago, Khota said:

This discussion was a simple bnary one where he claimed that Pandya is better than Rohit in batting. For a 0.33 differential if that is what you claim is true then you are a gem.

What claim? Based on the current set up, I feel that an all rounder like Pandya is a better option for #6-7 position because of the flexibility that he provides, along with never say die attitude 

 

The value info shows that. 0.33 batting difference this series reflects badly on Rohit not Pandya. And as already mentioned, Rohit averages 15 or so overall in SA. So what are you going on and on about? Trying to clutch on to something to feel good about yourself?