Karnataka and Mumbai Lobby selections without performance

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

I disagree on this with utmost respect to your different view. Anything under 40 for opener is bad imo, especially for an Indian spot as specialist batsman. If this was Bangladesh,Pakistan, SL or Zimbabwe or West Indies, they would happily take these guys with these averages in their batting lineup.

39 is almost 40 , and vijay avg has been affected in last leg of his career which was also the case with sehwag. We knw where he stand.....we are not calling him an ATG....he was a good player who cud have done more. He was dropped for poor perfomances....went back made runs in county and came back....whats wrong in that 

 

Rahul career isnt over yet so u dnt knw at what point will he end

[Straight Drive]

14 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

39 is almost 40 , and vijay avg has been affected in last leg of his career which was also the case with sehwag. We knw where he stand.....we are not calling him an ATG....he was a good player who cud have done more. He was dropped for poor perfomances....went back made runs in county and came back....whats wrong in that 

 

Rahul career isnt over yet so u dnt knw at what point will he end

I mentioned anything under 40 is bad.  45 is what i expect from our specialist batsman as i agreed in response to the post made by Justarrived. Having watched Sunny, Lala Amarnath, Vishy etc i expect better show given my experience. An average of 40 in those days is worth more today with protective gear, the improvements in injury treatments / surgeries, supplements, better prepared wickets and ground drainage systems etc. Not just that, the temperament and quality of batting is not pleasing apart from Rahul Dravid, Sachin Tendulkar, VVS Laxman, Virat. Sehwag and Viv were rare. 

Edited December 10, 2018 by Straight Drive

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

I mentioned anything under 40 is bad.  45 is what i expect from our specialist batsman as i agreed in response to the post made by Justarrived. Having watched Sunny, Lala Amarnath, Vishy etc i expect better show given my experience. An average of 40 in those days is worth more today with protective gear, the improvements in injury treatments / surgeries, supplements, better prepared wickets and ground drainage systems etc. Not just that, the temperament and quality of batting is not pleasing apart from Rahul Dravid, Sachin Tendulkar, VVS Laxman, Virat. Sehwag and Viv were rare. 

under 40 is not bad....its above avg or avg and sometimes numbers dnt tell the story 

Stop taking those names, u dnt find them everyday neither u have waiting in domestic. U have to do with whats best avl.....aisi baaten hawa men achi lagti hai 

[Straight Drive]

Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said:

under 40 is not bad....its above avg or avg and sometimes numbers dnt tell the story 

Stop taking those names, u dnt find them everyday neither u have waiting in domestic. U have to do with whats best avl.....aisi baaten hawa men achi lagti hai 

Why should i stop taking those names? They were far superior players imo. What's wrong in that ? hawa mein baatein... those players existed. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, Straight Drive said:

Why should i stop taking those names? They were far superior players imo. What's wrong in that ? hawa mein baatein... those players existed. 

Do u have such player now???We have to use whats best avl to us 

Are u sure that rahul will end up with the avg he is on now ? if a bad patch can affect ur avg ....a good form is not far away

 

Rahul is one the best talent avl in country........if he is finding it tough it wont be rosy for others 

[Straight Drive]

Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Do u have such player now???We have to use whats best avl to us 

Are u sure that rahul will end up with the avg he is on now ? if a bad patch can affect ur avg ....a good form is not far away

 

Rahul is one the best talent avl in country........if he is finding it tough it wont be rosy for others 

I have mentioned before i like his spectacular batting in T20. In Tests he has to get temperament right and patience to wait for bad ball.  If he had shown it i would have said he is making efforts to improve his game. In a bad patch he is continuing doing the wrong things in bowler friendly conditions.  Yes, bad patch affects everyone but where is the effort to protect a wicket even during a bad patch ?  These are the symptoms i personally would look at. The attitude aspect of realizing whats wrong and how to rectify the issues. If he had shown that i would have said yes he would end up averaging much higher. 

 

A good form will soon be there.  Lot of home test series coming.  I already mentioned it an hour or two back.  

[Jimmy Cliff]

As horrific as Rahul's form has been this year, his record as an opener against non-minnows is still pretty good. Having said that if he fails in this series, he deserves to be dropped (as long as it's not Dhawan or Vijay who end up replacing him!).

 

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

I have mentioned before i like his spectacular batting in T20. In Tests he has to get temperament right and patience to wait for bad ball.  If he had shown it i would have said he is making efforts to improve his game. In a bad patch he is continuing doing the wrong things in bowler friendly conditions.  Yes, bad patch affects everyone but where is the effort to protect a wicket even during a bad patch ?  These are the symptoms i personally would look at. The attitude aspect of realizing whats wrong and how to rectify the issues. If he had shown that i would have said yes he would end up averaging much higher. 

what i see good is he is still able to produce a 100 like in eng n 44 in last innings in such bad patch 

I already posted a pic where he was in net after 1 hour of the match , shows he is dedicated 

 

Thats all we need to see....bad patch only makes a player better. 

Protect wkt ??how his defense is under scanner so he choose to go for attack which worked here n even in england

play 100 dot doesnt matter but its how much u score that does 

2 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

 

A good form will soon be there.  Lot of home test series coming.  I already mentioned it an hour or two back.  

that line is good for guys like rohit n dhawan 

Not rahul who has 100 in Aus, ENG, WI.....about inconsistency so was pujara and he still has to do lot more to be in consistent category overseas

[Straight Drive]

Regarding whats best available.  Prithvi Shaw has potential.  He's already there. Shubman Gill. Give them fair chance like some others have been given. Maybe they will average higher.  Few more A series might throw us more names in an year or two. Just saying others will also not score better because Rahul is struggling is something which i would not agree with.

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

Regarding whats best available.  Prithvi Shaw has potential.  He's already there. Shubman Gill. Give them fair chance like some others have been given. Maybe they will average higher.  Few more A series might throw us more names in an year or two. Just saying others will also not score better because Rahul is struggling is something which i would not agree with.

Shubhman gill is the best talent but right now he needs to convert his starts on Ind-A level to earn the cap

Shaw is one name who is their and already earned it

 

Need 2 openers , infact 3 in squad

If rahul keeps struggling he will be dropped soon

Edited December 10, 2018 by Ankit_sharma03

[Straight Drive]

1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Shubhman gill is the best talent but right now he needs to convert his starts on Ind-A level to earn the cap

Shaw is one name who is their and already earned it

 

Need 2 openers , infact 3 in squad

If rahul keeps struggling he will be dropped soon

Try Mayank Agarwal.  He's in great form and might do better than Rahul and Vijay. Surely he cannot average worse than 7 runs like Rahuldid in Sa or 27 around in England and 23 around like in this series. Temporary attempt to fix.  Why is he not getting even 4 tests when there is crisis in opening situation since months ? 

[Ankit_sharma03]

10 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

Try Mayank Agarwal.  He's in great form and might do better than Rahul and Vijay. Surely he cannot average worse than 7 runs like Rahuldid in Sa or 27 around in England and 23 around like in this series. Temporary attempt to fix.  Why is he not getting even 4 tests when there is crisis in opening situation since months ? 

Might do better or might not.....

neways if vijay fails now mayank will get a permanent chance...he is not far away from his chances now 

 

I dnt rate mayank- but thats a perosnal opinion

 

Also Mayank himself is not converting his start to big scores ....in overseas A-Tours of test \

 

Their is no guarantee  anyone can do worse....here mayank is struggling to convert his 40-50 to 100 against A-sides but when he comes against gr8 bowlers like of SA, ENG, AUS....it wud be extremely harder. Remeber murali vijay case....was struggling against SA n ENG and then went to county made score after score.....

 

Mayank has issues with his game  , so anyone can do worse . Those are oustanding bowling attacks of SA, ENG, AUS in their own backyard . Even pujara n rahane havent been consistent and they are far better players then mayank 

Edited December 10, 2018 by Ankit_sharma03

[Straight Drive]

4 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Might do better ??? 

or might no.....but if vijay fails now mayank will get a permanent chance

 

I dnt rate mayank- but thats a perosnal opinion

 

But Mayank himself is not converting his start to big scores ....

Their is no guarntee anyone can do worse....here mayank is struggling to convert his 40-50 to 100 against A-sides but when he comes against gr8 bowlers like of SA, ENG, AUS....it wud be extremely harder. Remeber murali vijay case....was struggling against SA n ENG and then went to county made score after score.....

 

Mayank has issues with his game  , so anyone can do worse . Those are oustanding bowling attacks of SA, ENG, AUS in their own backyard . Even pujara n rahane havent been consistent and they are far better players then mayank 

So failed to average over 23 without playing matches ???

Edited December 10, 2018 by Straight Drive

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

So failed to average over 23 without playing matches ???

what ???

[Straight Drive]

1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

what ???

You have apprehensions about him not doing better than crossing Rahuls averages in SA,Eng and Aus without giving him a chance. Anyways had enough debate on this and i am out of it. You seem hell bent for others to agree with you.

[Ankit_sharma03]

4 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

You have apprehensions about him not doing better than crossing Rahuls averages in SA,Eng and Aus without giving him a chance. Anyways had enough debate on this and i am out of it. You seem hell bent for others to agree with you.

yes coz i have seen him a lot and specially recent A-games , i have noticed few chinks in his game

Rahul is a far superior batsman

 

Now here is what makes me feel he wont have done gr8 either. Look at his scores in A-games overseas.....hasnt converted starts against lesser bowler now imagine what wud happen when u face rabadda, steyn philander, anderson, broad, curran, woakes, starc , hazelwood, lyon, cummins in their own backyard....

yea it will be extremely harder then those A-bowlers....these guys wnt even let u breathe. Thats why i gave u vijay xample....how he started scoring in county when he faced less quality bowler. N if as layman i can see chinks in his game those guys will see it before me 

 

Arent u hell bent on proving others will do better then them, whats the proof that others will. Said this before...we have the syndrome that grass is greener on other side that makes us think erre xyz wud have done better ...These ones that are playing are top batsman in the country very low chances others will do better, Max 1-2 wud . Shaw is a damn talented kid he might have m not denying but saying everyone wud ....to much 

[Straight Drive]

19 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

yes coz i have seen him a lot and specially recent A-games , i have noticed few chinks in his game

Rahul is a far superior batsman

 

Now here is what makes me feel he wont have done gr8 either. Look at his scores in A-games overseas.....hasnt converted starts against lesser bowler now imagine what wud happen when u face rabadda, steyn philander, anderson, broad, curran, woakes, starc , hazelwood, lyon, cummins in their own backyard....

yea it will be extremely harder then those A-bowlers....these guys wnt even let u breathe. Thats why i gave u vijay xample....how he started scoring in county when he faced less quality bowler. N if as layman i can see chinks in his game those guys will see it before me 

 

Arent u hell bent on proving others will do better then them, whats the proof that others will. Said this before...we have the syndrome that grass is greener on other side that makes us think erre xyz wud have done better ...These ones that are playing are top batsman in the country very low chances others will do better, Max 1-2 wud . Shaw is a damn talented kid he might have m not denying but saying everyone wud ....to much 

The batting averages / recent form is pathetic  in challenging conditions:

 

SA - 7.50
England - 29.90
Australia - 23

 

If there is no specialist batsman in Indian cricket who can beat that then i have no words to say about the state of Indian cricket.

[Ankit_sharma03]

18 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

The batting averages / recent form is pathetic  in challenging conditions:

 

SA - 7.50
England - 29.90
Australia - 23

 

If there is no specialist batsman in Indian cricket who can beat that then i have no words to say about the state of Indian cricket.

Against those bowlers in those backyard at opening position and those pitches were very bowler friendly 

i doubt anyone in the country wud have done better 

shaw might have since he has an attacking game, it wud have come of some days

 

Also lets not use Aus tour figures right now, just been one test 

Edited December 10, 2018 by Ankit_sharma03

[Straight Drive]

38 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Against those bowlers in those backyard at opening position and those pitches were very bowler friendly 

i doubt anyone in the country wud have done better 

shaw might have since he has an attacking game, it wud have come of some days

 

Also lets not use Aus tour figures right now, just been one test 

Sorry but to me  7.50 is a disgrace.  

29.50 is pathetic as well.

[Ankit_sharma03]

14 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

Sorry but to me  7.50 is a disgrace.  

29.50 is pathetic as well.

koi acha opener mille to bta dena .....

 

29.50 vs england hmmmm

mayank avg 17 on A tour in england which also had WI-A, imagine had he faced broad, anderson, curran, woakes