Try Pant as an opener

[vvvslaxman]

 

 

On 3/5/2019 at 8:28 AM, zen said:

the incumbent has started to fail in bilaterals. With 3 ODIs to go, try KL and/or Pant as opener

You don't like them even when they do well in bilaterals. When they do you say "it is just biliateral". When they fail "They fail in bilaterals".

[vvvslaxman]

On 2/24/2019 at 9:57 AM, zen said:

Missed opportunity to not try Pant to open .... his game is to go all out rather than take singles here and there 

 

Need someone to play fearless cricket at the top to try to make an impact w/o worrying about getting out .... someone with full licence

Fearless cricket doesn't mean hacking. Gilchrist, Jayasuriya, Sehwag they could do because they had a method and range of shots. Pant is not even 10% of how good they were against brand new cherry. He doesn't open against Nathan Lyon. He will be facing Cottrell, Boult, Rabada, Mark wood et al. You want one of your "talent" to play brainlessly against them? Given the fact India's last 4 will make only like 10 runs. You want 1 out of your 7 potential scorers to lose his wicket recklessly in the name of "acceleration" so that India will be 200/6 in the first 20 overs.. and get bowled out for 210 in the end. You are not playing T20 to go after bowling from ball one. That era is 1990s where thought process was playing aggressively at the top for 10 overs and go extremely slow in the middle and attack at the end. Tell me in which era India got to 300 more times? 1990s or now? 

[zen]

10 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

 

You don't like them even when they do well in bilaterals. When they do you say "it is just biliateral". When they fail "They fail in bilaterals".

 

Do you usually type w/o thinking like on match threads?   .... Folks like Rohit who do well in bilaterals when they fail in them is a concern 

 

 

6 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Fearless cricket doesn't mean hacking. Gilchrist, Jayasuriya, Sehwag they could do because they had a method and range of shots. Pant is not even 10% of how good they were against brand new cherry. He doesn't open against Nathan Lyon. He will be facing Cottrell, Boult, Rabada, Mark wood et al. You want one of your "talent" to play brainlessly against them? Given the fact India's last 4 will make only like 10 runs. You want 1 out of your 7 potential scorers to lose his wicket recklessly in the name of "acceleration" so that India will be 200/6 in the first 20 overs.. and get bowled out for 210 in the end. You are not playing T20 to go after bowling from ball one. That era is 1990s where thought process was playing aggressively at the top for 10 overs and go extremely slow in the middle and attack at the end. Tell me in which era India got to 300 more times? 1990s or now? 

 

It is you who is implying all that ..... Pant actually has test 100s in Eng and Aus, something that Rohit doesn't .... who is the hack here?

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, zen said:

 

Do you usually type w/o thinking like on match threads?   .... Folks like Rohit who do well in bilaterals when they fail in them is a concern 

 

 

 

It is you who is implying all that ..... Pant actually has test 100s in Eng and Aus, something that Rohit doesn't .... who is the hack here?

Pant has test 100 in Australia. same game where Jadeja scored 96. lol So should we open with Jadeja? KL Rahul scored a 100 as well. 

Anyway Pant was replacement for Dhoni. You think Pant was going to be played as a specialist batsman? Was Pant opening in Tests? How can you correlate that performance with your idea?  Yes your idea of playing "fearlessly" is throwing the bat at every ball. You basically are willing to sacrifice one precious batting spot just for playing "fearlessly" that too ahead so many other talented proper batsmen like Prtithvi shaw, Shubman Gill, Agarwal, Shreyas Iyer. If you say Pant should repalce Dhoni nobody will question your suggestion. Even the great Adam Gilchrist never played purely as a batsman. He was a keeper. 

[vvvslaxman]

Apart from Sehwag no regular opener has better strike rate than either Dhawan or Rohit sharma 

 

Indian record playing as openers. Rohit sharma's average is unparalleled as opener. So stop  dreaming about Pant opening the innings in the world cup lol. Even if Rohit sharma and Dhawan announce retirement , they will still try to open with proper batsman not 1990 style pinch hitter.

 

[zen]

38 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Pant has test 100 in Australia. same game where Jadeja scored 96. lol So should we open with Jadeja? KL Rahul scored a 100 as well. 

Anyway Pant was replacement for Dhoni. You think Pant was going to be played as a specialist batsman? Was Pant opening in Tests? How can you correlate that performance with your idea?  Yes your idea of playing "fearlessly" is throwing the bat at every ball. You basically are willing to sacrifice one precious batting spot just for playing "fearlessly" that too ahead so many other talented proper batsmen like Prtithvi shaw, Shubman Gill, Agarwal, Shreyas Iyer. If you say Pant should repalce Dhoni nobody will question your suggestion. Even the great Adam Gilchrist never played purely as a batsman. He was a keeper. 

 

Buddy, please read your post again to see if it makes sense and if it is worth for others to respond to it 

 

Pant is played as a WK because he is also a good batsman. There are better WKs. Rohit does not open in tests. KL opens in both formats, and unlike some of the names you mentioned, Pant is actually being considered for the WC squad

 

PS READ THE OP  

 

Edited March 7, 2019 by zen

[vvvslaxman]

5 minutes ago, zen said:

 

Buddy, please read your post again to see if it makes sense and if it is worth for others to respond to it 

 

Pant is played as a WK because he is also a good batsman. There are better WKs. Rohit does not open in tests. KL opens in both formats, and unlike some of the names you mentioned, Pant is actually being considered for the WC squad

 

PS read the OP 

 

Pant is considered as a reserve keeper. It was between him and Karthik. Karthik with his attention issues was rightfully dropped from ODI squad. He is never going to replace a batsman unless the batsman is injured or dropped altogether from the squad. At this point Dhawan's spot is slightly at risk. But one 50 in the next 3 matches will clear all those doubts.  Dhawan/Rohit will open. Kohli at 3.  No untested moves like opening with Pant, Rahul will happen unless Indian openers fail non stop in world cup matches and they are forced to do something in a do or die situation. 

[vvvslaxman]

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports/cricket/article/sourav-ganguly-unsure-how-rishabh-pant-would-fit-into-icc-world-cup-2019-team-feels-india-not-taking-dinesh-karthik-as-option/375119

 

It is clear Pant is only considered as a second choice wicket keeper. Not a btasman. Some even question the logic of selecting him ahead of Dinesh karthik as second choice keeper given that KKD can field better (apart from dropping easy catches lol).

[zen]

7 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Pant is considered as a reserve keeper. It was between him and Karthik. Karthik with his attention issues was rightfully dropped from ODI squad. He is never going to replace a batsman unless the batsman is injured or dropped altogether from the squad. At this point Dhawan's spot is slightly at risk. But one 50 in the next 3 matches will clear all those doubts.  Dhawan/Rohit will open. Kohli at 3.  No untested moves like opening with Pant, Rahul will happen unless Indian openers fail non stop in world cup matches and they are forced to do something in a do or die situation. 

Read the OP .... 

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, zen said:

Read the OP .... 

Your OP is full of ifs and buts not what is likely to happen. Just try to understand last thing they will do is seperate the opening pair. You think Virat Kohli can't open? Why do you think Kohli can't open and go slam bang at bowlers like Sachin did? Why do you think Rohit will become a beast in the middle order? Why do you think creating utter chaos in the batting order at the last minute will make this team better? (Currently ranked no.2 if they sweep this series they will be ranked 1) In the last 2 years  between Dhawan/Rohit/Kohli we have 32 centuries. Between the others 2 centuries.  Every 4 innings Rohit scores a 100 in the last 2 years. Dhawan definitely on the decline. A concern. But they will only replace him with KL Rahul not this guy. Please stop bringing up "Bilateral talks". Teams will pick players based on current form not what they did 4 years back in the same tournament against certain group of teams.

[vvvslaxman]

If you were SA fan , you would want De kock replaced by another opener as he averaged only 20 in the world cup as opener and strike rate of 82. Teams will back their key players no matter how the slump is. NZ recently backed Munro and Guptill despite woeful form. Australia backs Aaron Finch. India will back Dhawan.

[zen]

41 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Your OP is full of ifs and buts not what is likely to happen. Just try to understand last thing they will do is seperate the opening pair. You think Virat Kohli can't open? Why do you think Kohli can't open and go slam bang at bowlers like Sachin did? Why do you think Rohit will become a beast in the middle order? Why do you think creating utter chaos in the batting order at the last minute will make this team better? (Currently ranked no.2 if they sweep this series they will be ranked 1) In the last 2 years  between Dhawan/Rohit/Kohli we have 32 centuries. Between the others 2 centuries.  Every 4 innings Rohit scores a 100 in the last 2 years. Dhawan definitely on the decline. A concern. But they will only replace him with KL Rahul not this guy. Please stop bringing up "Bilateral talks". Teams will pick players based on current form not what they did 4 years back in the same tournament against certain group of teams.

Is that a serious post? 

[vvvslaxman]

21 minutes ago, zen said:

Is that a serious post? 

This translates into "I have no answer. But I am going to continue living in denial" 

[zen]

6 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

This translates into "I have no answer. But I am going to continue living in denial" 

It translates into when a potential solution to a problem is given, the fanboys tries to proclaim that the problem will persist citing laughable points .... In this thread you tried to attack a talented youngster like Pant because of his potential to open. Now if this was “try Shankar as an opener”, you would have tried to attack Shankar .... it is clear you care about Tuktuk more than fortunes of Ind 

 

Thank you for exposing yourself! 

[vvvslaxman]

37 minutes ago, zen said:

It translates into when a potential solution to a problem is given, the fanboys tries to proclaim that the problem will persist citing laughable points .... In this thread you tried to attack a talented youngster like Pant because of his potential to open. Now if this was “try Shankar as an opener”, you would have tried to attack Shankar .... it is clear you care about Tuktuk more than fortunes of Ind 

 

Thank you for exposing yourself! 

Because there is no problem? duh? Despite all their odd recent failures they are far and away the best 3 batsmen in the side over the last few years. 

[zen]

21 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Because there is no problem?

 

Edited March 7, 2019 by zen

[vvvslaxman]

5 minutes ago, zen said:

Oh yeah! Very believable

Back up your theories without filter, without discarding bilaterals. 

[zen]

3 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Back up your theories without filter, without discarding bilaterals. 

So the fanboy’s pain point is revealed .... can’t accept the facts .... it is not my fault, he does not measure up 

Edited March 7, 2019 by zen

[vvvslaxman]

7 minutes ago, zen said:

So the fanboy’s pain point is revealed .... can’t accept the facts .... it is not my fault, he does not measure up 

It is not facts.  I have ridiculed Rohit as much as anyone else in this forum. Having watched him over the years, i can say he is probably at the best phase of his career.  His ODI ranking confirms that.  In the last 2 yearsa Apart from Honkong and South Africa he has pretty good average in one dayers against all countries in the last couple of years. 51 against Australia, 77 against England, 42 against NZ, 84 against Pakistan, 85 against SL, 129 against WI,  254 against BD.  (please don't come up with filters, he didn't score on a full moon day)

Edited March 7, 2019 by vvvslaxman

[zen]

12 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

It is not facts.  I have ridiculed Rohit as much as anyone else in this forum. Having watched him over the years, i can say he is probably at the best phase of his career.  His ODI ranking confirms that.  In the last 2 yearsa Apart from Honkong and South Africa he has pretty good average in one dayers against all countries in the last couple of years. 51 against Australia, 77 against England, 42 against NZ, 84 against Pakistan, 85 against SL, 129 against WI,  254 against BD.  (please don't come up with filters, he didn't score on a full moon day)

The FACT is that Ind would not miss Rohit in key events if we go by recent records .... Guys like Pant have more potential 

Edited March 7, 2019 by zen