someone Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 19 minutes ago, Alam_dar said: Yes, at their own, they are RW. But in the Indian political context, they represent the LW. As compared to main religious based RW, ALL the other MINORITIES automatically become the LW. The religious based RW does not have the capability to unite the minorities with itself. I believe BJP should stop promoting Yogi type people and stop supporting any other kind of extremist policies. The beef ban was totally unnecessary. It hurt BJP. Not only Muslims, but all minorities were against this, including large number of Secular Hindus too. This thing could never be called "open cultural/business policies". This is exactly the opposite to it. The problem with RW is also this that the RW of one country/religion does not like the RW of other country/religion. This same thing is true for India. Internationally, the RW Indian government is not liked by the people. They get very negative image of India That idiotic and summarizes the issue. By default, BJP is given this western tag of RW, and their supporters foolishly accept and call themselves as one of them. And next, just because one oppose BJP doesnt make one LW. Muslims still represent the extreme right of the country. Under BJP government, FDI in 5 years is as much as last 50 years, and have strong relations with foreign nations including Israel. Hindus being good travelers abroad and settling well in foreign countries is testament to the liberal values often associated with LWs. Secularism doesn't mean atheism, and that's foolishly expected of Hindus. Just like Muslims, they have their right to show their culture and be proud of it. The onus is on Muslim to understand that there are also Hindus and other religions in the country, not just them and thus they ought to be more tolerant. And it's cow cattle that is banned as in Indian constitution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 On 2/25/2019 at 3:27 AM, Stradlater said: What is even more funny is seeing these leftists with humanities backgrounds self proclaiming themselves as the champions of science turning it into some pseudo intellectual BS. This happens enough from both the right and left side that it is not a unique phenonemon on either side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricket_2_Death Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 (edited) Wow I'm honestly stunned by this, but happy. It's been years since I've posted on this forum and I remember when this place use to be dominated by libtard cucks. I use to get so much hate for bashing Islamists and Obama in the past. I'm glad to see a noticeable shift here, perhaps it's influenced by a series of wake calls echoed throughout the world Brexit, Trump, Duterte, ISIS, refugee crisis etc. Either way - I can speak to the left wing in the US which has taken a hard left turn in recent years. Their sheep are as dumb and viscous as ever with their socialist, virtue signaling, intolerant and sick ideology. They group themselves with each other and live in echo chambers. They hear their stupidity enough that they begin to believe it and see themselves as "intellectuals". I assume, these leftist scum are no different from their brethren in India or anywhere else for matter. They slowly destroy and corrupt a nation from within like a virus. Anyway, looking forward to partaking in more discussions. Edited February 27, 2019 by Cricket_2_Death velu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 10 minutes ago, Cricket_2_Death said: Wow I'm honestly stunned by this, but happy. It's been years since I've posted on this forum and I remember when this place use to be dominated by libtard cucks. I use to get so much hate for bashing Islamists and Obama in the past. I'm glad to see a noticeable shift here, perhaps it's influenced by a series of wake calls echoed throughout the world Brexit, Trump, Duterte, ISIS, refugee crisis etc. Either way - I can speak to the left wing in the US which has taken a hard left turn in recent years. Their sheep are as dumb and viscous as ever with their socialist, virtue signaling, intolerant and sick ideology. They group themselves with each other and live in echo chambers. They hear their stupidity enough that they begin to believe it and see themselves as "intellectuals". Perfect example, I work for Microsoft and we have an employee (and Imam) that preaches wife beating at the local mosque: You would think that something would be done about this, certainly a culture pushing feminism and equal rights would... right? WRONG, this guy is embraced in the name of diversity - because wife beating is apparently okay in Islam. Our dear leftist wouldn't want to be called "racist" for denouncing this type of behavior. I assume, these leftist scum are no different from their brethren in India or anywhere else for matter. They slowly destroy and corrupt a nation from within like a virus. Anyway, looking forward to partaking in more discussions. 1. I think you meant vicious. Not viscous. 2. The 'echo chamber effect' is an internet phenomena. Because with internet and broadband speeds plus social media platforms like Twitter, Facebook, etc. it takes a grand total of 2 hours to find 2 dozen people who will agree with you on anything. The tribalism and diminishing intellectuality of the internet is not a 'left' or a 'right' phenomenon, its a cross-spectrum phenomenon. You have, as you correctly pointed out, diminishing intellectual capacity from the lib-tards due to this echo-chamber effect and virtue-signalling. Same affects the right wing and hence you also have an uptick on right wing nonsense not seen before since printing press became a thing for various societies. Just like how the left is plumbing greater depths than ever before, so too is the right with nonsensical/unscientific/laughable claims plumbing new depths of dumbness - be it muslims and their new arithmetic of some Koranic nonsense or some hindu minister claiming vedic Indians invented atomic theory or some Christian nonsense guy preaching about new hidden stuff in the Vatican. And why just look at it as left or right, this is also the same thing that drives anti-vaxxers ( who are neither left or right) , flat-earthers, chem-trailers, etc. All because of ONE salient fact of the internet - it is easier than ever before, in history of species homo sapiens, to find 50 people who will agree with you over ANYTHING and if they don't, just cycle through enough people till you find your agreeable 50. Combine that with general lack of education in theoretical sciences ( especially true in the western world but also increasingly true in India, where studies of theoretical sciences is flat-lining), its not a surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricket_2_Death Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: 1. I think you meant vicious. Not viscous. 2. The 'echo chamber effect' is an internet phenomena. Because with internet and broadband speeds plus social media platforms like Twitter, Facebook, etc. it takes a grand total of 2 hours to find 2 dozen people who will agree with you on anything. The tribalism and diminishing intellectuality of the internet is not a 'left' or a 'right' phenomenon, its a cross-spectrum phenomenon. You have, as you correctly pointed out, diminishing intellectual capacity from the lib-tards due to this echo-chamber effect and virtue-signalling. Same affects the right wing and hence you also have an uptick on right wing nonsense not seen before since printing press became a thing for various societies. Just like how the left is plumbing greater depths than ever before, so too is the right with nonsensical/unscientific/laughable claims plumbing new depths of dumbness - be it muslims and their new arithmetic of some Koranic nonsense or some hindu minister claiming vedic Indians invented atomic theory or some Christian nonsense guy preaching about new hidden stuff in the Vatican. And why just look at it as left or right, this is also the same thing that drives anti-vaxxers ( who are neither left or right) , flat-earthers, chem-trailers, etc. All because of ONE salient fact of the internet - it is easier than ever before, in history of species homo sapiens, to find 50 people who will agree with you over ANYTHING and if they don't, just cycle through enough people till you find your agreeable 50. Combine that with general lack of education in theoretical sciences ( especially true in the western world but also increasingly true in India, where studies of theoretical sciences is flat-lining), its not a surprise. 1) Yes, correct. 2) It's not an Internet phenomena. There are massive groups of people that live on the elitist coasts of the US that have some kind of "orange man bad" derangement syndrome. You can go to any college campus, women's march, gay bar or ghetto and see the same themes. Not only do they believe the garbage they create, they preach it to non-believers as well. And if you don't believe it, you must be a racist, sexist, homophobic Nazi. They are as intolerant as a bunch of Islamists beheading Jews or Hindus who won't convert. Yet they believe they are the tolerant ones because they live in these echo chambers of fake news. They are shocked and appalled to hear that other people may believe something different. During the US 2016 election, I managed to convince some idiots that I was a socialist just like them. I played my minority card (cause there is no way I could be a crazy ring winger) and told them to write-in Harambe when they went to vote. Most of the people in the echo chamber believed that there was NO WAY that Trump could win so I took advantage of the situation. I lol'd when I received snapchats of these idiots actually doing it and later found out that commies all over America got coaxed into this. However, by then it was too late. The beta males were in a state of mourning come Nov 9 2016, along with their filthy media outlets. Point is that this that echo chambers are real and libtards in the US are caught up in it perhaps way more than others. Edited February 26, 2019 by Cricket_2_Death Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 17 minutes ago, Cricket_2_Death said: 1) Yes, correct. 2) It's not an Internet phenomena. There are massive groups of people that live on the elitist coasts of the US that have some kind of "orange man bad" derangement syndrome. You can go to any college campus, women's march, gay bar or ghetto and see the same themes. Not only do they believe the garbage they create, they preach it to non-believers as well. And if you don't believe it, you must be a racist, sexist, homophobic Nazi. They are as intolerant as a bunch of Islamists beheading Jews or Hindus who won't convert. Yet they believe they are the tolerant ones because they live in these echo chambers of fake news. They are shocked and appalled to hear that other people may believe something different. It is mostly driven BY the internet being the prime avenue for people to test out ideas. And yes, Orange man is pretty slimy, bad piece of turd. Like, there is absolutely nothing inspiring about him and i can't think of ANYTHING he does that says competence - he is a billionaire who has bankrupted a casino in Vegas, its open and shut high school level bully, thinks crap of women and children and will openly misrepresent everything to score cheap points, while being super vindictive, etc. I personally don't even care much for US politics and i am more left of the democrats but i honestly never thought I'd see a day where i can honestly think that George W Bush is a million times better president than another republican fool. Well that day came a year ago. 17 minutes ago, Cricket_2_Death said: During the US 2016 election, I managed to convince some idiots that I was a socialist just like them. I played my minority card (cause there is no way I could be a crazy ring winger) and told them to write-in Harambe when they went to vote. Most of the people in the echo chamber believed that there was NO WAY that Trump could win so I took advantage of the situation. I lol'd when I received snapchats of these idiots actually doing it and later found out that commies all over America got coaxed into this. However, by then it was too late. The beta males were in a state of mourning come Nov 9 2016, along with their filthy media outlets. Point is that this that echo chambers are real and libtards in the US are caught up in it perhaps way more than others. I see no real reason to believe that the echo-chamber effect is disproportionately felt amongst liberals than conservatives. As i said, the amount of nonsense/crazy from both liberal and conservative sides are peaking at an all-time high since i was a kid at the very least, leading me to believe that this is just an echo-chamber effect affecting all pretty much the same way, when the said 'all' are not professionally trained at science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricket_2_Death Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: It is mostly driven BY the internet being the prime avenue for people to test out ideas. And yes, Orange man is pretty slimy, bad piece of turd. Like, there is absolutely nothing inspiring about him and i can't think of ANYTHING he does that says competence - he is a billionaire who has bankrupted a casino in Vegas, its open and shut high school level bully, thinks crap of women and children and will openly misrepresent everything to score cheap points, while being super vindictive, etc. I personally don't even care much for US politics and i am more left of the democrats but i honestly never thought I'd see a day where i can honestly think that George W Bush is a million times better president than another republican fool. Well that day came a year ago. This kind of thinking is driven out of the liberal echo chamber. People are trapped inside of it and they don't realize it. Trump has done and accomplished more in his lifetime than any welfare reliant hood rat could ever hope to. Though you would never realize it because literally all liberals can do is whine and cry about how bad he is. They are truly NPC's - just mindless idiots reiterating what other mindless idiots say. 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: I see no real reason to believe that the echo-chamber effect is disproportionately felt amongst liberals than conservatives. As i said, the amount of nonsense/crazy from both liberal and conservative sides are peaking at an all-time high since i was a kid at the very least, leading me to believe that this is just an echo-chamber effect affecting all pretty much the same way, when the said 'all' are not professionally trained at science. Echo chambers simply do not effect conservatives or people of true intellect because they can see around bullshit. Conservatives don't label you racist/sexist/homophobic/Nazi etc and then say because of that your point must be dismissed. That is how the left wins arguments, they make it taboo to state the other side. The stance on conservative issues remains relatively the same that its always been - pro-hetro, anti-tax, pro-life, anti-terror, anti-illegal immigration, pro-death penalty, pro-military, pro-America etc. The same can not be said for the leftist cucks diving straight into the arms of communism. The echo chambers would have them believe that Cuba, Venezuela and North Korea are the perfect paradises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 26 minutes ago, Cricket_2_Death said: This kind of thinking is driven out of the liberal echo chamber. People are trapped inside of it and they don't realize it. Trump has done and accomplished more in his lifetime than any welfare reliant hood rat could ever hope to. Though you would never realize it because literally all liberals can do is whine and cry about how bad he is. They are truly NPC's - just mindless idiots reiterating what other mindless idiots say. bhai, i dont follow US politics, so there is very little echo-chamber going on. All i see, is a celebrity with a bad attitude problem playing president. The most uncouth, uncultured US president since...i dunno...forever. As for achieving, man started with 200 million dollar silver spoon up his bunghole, thanks to bank of mom and dad. Sure, he didn't sink the whole ship, but it is a fact that the man bankrupted a casino in vegas. I am not sure whether one needs to be a liberal or not in US to realize this is total fail, but i assure you, if you tell any single baniya anywhere in India that Trump maharaj has bankrupted a casino in Vegas, they will respect his business nous and accomplishments as much as they respect the investment or deal-making advice of their jamadaars. 26 minutes ago, Cricket_2_Death said: Echo chambers simply do not effect conservatives or people of true intellect because they can see around bullshit. Likewise with liberal people of true intellect as well. The entire point is, true intellect is a rare commodity in the left, right or center. Ergo, the majority are low-IQ idiots who take more stock in echo-chamber back-patting than logical empiricism. This is why the right and the left are both plumbing new depths of nonsense in the current generation. 26 minutes ago, Cricket_2_Death said: Conservatives don't label you racist/sexist/homophobic/Nazi etc and then say because of that your point must be dismissed. No, they label you inferior/coolie/nigga/savage when they are of the white skin stock and you disagree with them and happen to be not white. And if you are white, its the 'cuck, beta, feminazi' etc labels thrown around. 26 minutes ago, Cricket_2_Death said: That is how the left wins arguments, they make it taboo to state the other side. No, that is how western people win arguments, more or less and is a dominant, mainstream form of winning arguments in populist circles. 26 minutes ago, Cricket_2_Death said: The stance on conservative issues remains relatively the same that its always been - pro-hetro, anti-tax, pro-life, anti-terror, anti-illegal immigration, pro-death penalty, pro-military, pro-America etc. That is the advertisement, however, their stance is not pro-life, their stance is pro-birth. Their stance is not anti-illegal immigration, their stance is anti-immigration, period. Their stance isn't pro-America, their stance is pro-elitists. American right is very unique (along with Canadian right) - a north american phenomenon. Nowhere else in the world do you find conservative religious 9-5 wage earners allying with the super-rich capitalist entreprenuers in the same political spectrum. This is a success of selling the mirage of the American dream, i suspect. Traditional democracy, as seen in Europe, tends to have the conservative wage-earning 9-5-ers on one side, the ultra-capitalist rich dudes on another and the super hippie-dippie 'give us everything for free because we are idiots' commies/social utopia-ists on the other, creating a tri-partite system. 26 minutes ago, Cricket_2_Death said: The same can not be said for the leftist cucks diving straight into the arms of communism. The echo chambers would have them believe that Cuba, Venezuela and North Korea are the perfect paradises. Well the echo chambers of the right will have you believe that US is the most socially advanced & affluent of the western nations when virtually they are the laggots of the western world in every single parameter outside of the top 2% of income brackets in the western world. There is a general dumbing down of both the right and the left that is occuring, due to the echo chamber effect. GoldenSun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricket_2_Death Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 27 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: bhai, i dont follow US politics, so there is very little echo-chamber going on. All i see, is a celebrity with a bad attitude problem playing president. The most uncouth, uncultured US president since...i dunno...forever. As for achieving, man started with 200 million dollar silver spoon up his bunghole, thanks to bank of mom and dad. Sure, he didn't sink the whole ship, but it is a fact that the man bankrupted a casino in vegas. I am not sure whether one needs to be a liberal or not in US to realize this is total fail, but i assure you, if you tell any single baniya anywhere in India that Trump maharaj has bankrupted a casino in Vegas, they will respect his business nous and accomplishments as much as they respect the investment or deal-making advice of their jamadaars. It makes sense that you don't follow US politics, I was unsure how you could and not know what's actually going on in America. Trump is unlike any other President, this is true. He has also managed to accomplish so much in very little time, the US economy is roaring after a long time. I'm not sure what the issue is about the casino, doesn't matter if it failed or was successful. He has had many successful ventures and some failures but that's how business works. Things don't just fall into your lap without effort, it takes hard work and you have to be willing to fail. If you want to talk about a president who brought shame to America and is a literal piece of ****, go do some research on Obama. Warning: avoid any picture of his wife if you can call it that. Moochelle is one angry mean looking dude that can hurt your eyes. 38 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: Likewise with liberal people of true intellect as well. The entire point is, true intellect is a rare commodity in the left, right or center. Ergo, the majority are low-IQ idiots who take more stock in echo-chamber back-patting than logical empiricism. This is why the right and the left are both plumbing new depths of nonsense in the current generation. Liberal and intellect don't belong in the same sentence. Conservatism has remained pretty static in ideology - which make sense if you think about it. The only ones developing **** to feed to the next generation are the leftist idiots. Who knows what gender or animal they will identify as tomorrow and declare its normal. 42 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: No, they label you inferior/coolie/nigga/savage when they are of the white skin stock and you disagree with them and happen to be not white. And if you are white, its the 'cuck, beta, feminazi' etc labels thrown around. Those labels are hardly used in mainstream circles. I'm not sure what the hell a coolie even is but Americans certainly don't use that term. However, it is typical for libtards to whine about white people, that at least is common. 44 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: No, that is how western people win arguments, more or less and is a dominant, mainstream form of winning arguments in populist circles. Western liberals for sure yes. That is the de-facto way of winning or losing any conversation they have. I imagine that it would be no different in a country like India. A liberal there could easily play the victim card with their caste or ethnic group perhaps? Sure it's a different tactic but same concept. 47 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: That is the advertisement, however, their stance is not pro-life, their stance is pro-birth. Their stance is not anti-illegal immigration, their stance is anti-immigration, period. Their stance isn't pro-America, their stance is pro-elitists. Agreed that pro-birth is more accurate in this regard. However in the US the mainstream term is still pro-life. Disagree that it's anti-immigration as a whole though. However given the absolute **** that America has been importing, I can see why there would be preference to vet people closely. Why import a bunch of islamist to push Sharia in the US when we can bring in peaceful Jews? I wouldn't be surprised if this stance sways the most in the coming years as we deal with the fallout of importing everyone and their mom over decades past. No other country imports on such a scale, middle east refugees stare and drop their jaw as a western woman walks past them on the street. Stunned by the fact that they are not enslaved under the garb of a ninja suit in the boiling sun and free to roam as they please. 56 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: American right is very unique (along with Canadian right) - a north american phenomenon. Nowhere else in the world do you find conservative religious 9-5 wage earners allying with the super-rich capitalist entreprenuers in the same political spectrum. This is a success of selling the mirage of the American dream, i suspect. Traditional democracy, as seen in Europe, tends to have the conservative wage-earning 9-5-ers on one side, the ultra-capitalist rich dudes on another and the super hippie-dippie 'give us everything for free because we are idiots' commies/social utopia-ists on the other, creating a tri-partite system. That is not accurate either. Ideology is more complex than just money, do you think wage earners are not capitalist? Do you think capitalist entrepreneurs are not religious? In my previous post I went over some of the positions that make up conservationism. Someone might just believe marriage in between a man and woman, another might believe he has the right to protect himself and his family, another might not want to pay high taxes. All of them would put you on the same side of the political scale here and there isn't anything wrong with that. The liberal left is a cesspool of chaos on the other hand - nowhere else do we have elitist west coasters, islamic terrorists and sympathizers, homosexuals, rich celebrities, poor blacks, illegal immigrants, anarchists, native Americans, communists, baby killers, porn stars etc. on the same damn side. They also tend to contradict each other on many issues, it's one hell of a **** show. 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: Well the echo chambers of the right will have you believe that US is the most socially advanced & affluent of the western nations when virtually they are the laggots of the western world in every single parameter outside of the top 2% of income brackets in the western world. There is a general dumbing down of both the right and the left that is occuring, due to the echo chamber effect. American exceptionalism is not a echo chamber. I will tell you right now that I believe America is the greatest country in the world. The problem is, everyone from every **** hole country on earth generally believes America is the greatest too. Even the libtards who promised leave the country after Trump was elected won't because they know it too That's why we have so much people that want to come to America. Trust me, I wish it wasn't true and America was viewed as the foremost "laggot" so the country wouldn't be under siege from illegal immigrants invading the country on a scale not seen anywhere in modern history. This is why echo chambers are a liberal phenomena, it's difficult to comprehend or understand the truth when everything around you is false information that is repeated until you believe it. The fake news helps drives these echo chambers and controls all the mainstream new outlets in the country. Liberals don't need to think to hate, they are given the tools via their social circles, the internet and even TV news. 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Muloghonto Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Cricket_2_Death said: It makes sense that you don't follow US politics, I was unsure how you could and not know what's actually going on in America. Trump is unlike any other President, this is true. He has also managed to accomplish so much in very little time, the US economy is roaring after a long time. Mate i dont follow US politics because i more or less make my home in Canada, even though i am a dual citizen. I do follow US economics intensely because of my investments there ( not via Canadian banks but via my US holdings). US economy is roaring ?! US economy hasn't roared in 10 years. It occasionally pretends to roar and then chokes on itself in 4 months flat. Thats whats been the trajectory for the last 10 years or so. 1 minute ago, Cricket_2_Death said: I'm not sure what the issue is about the casino, doesn't matter if it failed or was successful. He has had many successful ventures and some failures but that's how business works. Things don't just fall into your lap without effort, it takes hard work and you have to be willing to fail. If you want to talk about a president who brought shame to America and is a literal piece of ****, go do some research on Obama. Warning: avoid any picture of his wife if you can call it that. Moochelle is one angry mean looking dude that can hurt your eyes. I am sorry, but bankrupting a casino in Vegas gets you a F- in my books as a savvy, smart businessman. As far a businesses go, its as bullet-proof as it gets to be a casino owner in vegas in the post-mafia days ( aka post 1980s). Its like saying you are as hot as Scarlett Johansson, tried and failed at prostitution. Its a made business. So i don't care what he has hit on before - even a blind squirrel finds a nut from time to time as the saying goes. You are a businessman who bankrupted a casino in Vegas is the equivalent of you are an Aircraft carrier captain who lost to a fishing boat. 1 minute ago, Cricket_2_Death said: Liberal and intellect don't belong in the same sentence. Sorry, but that is some conservative nonsensical garbage right there. Plenty of liberal intellectuals exist and have existed through the times. 1 minute ago, Cricket_2_Death said: Conservatism has remained pretty static in ideology - which make sense if you think about it. The only ones developing **** to feed to the next generation are the leftist idiots. Who knows what gender or animal they will identify as tomorrow and declare its normal. Both makes sense. I am a parent and i know exactly where conservatism and liberalism are needed. Liberalism is the vehicle of social change & social betterment. But for every good idea it has, it has 3 bad ideas and as a parent, i don't want my child to be the tip of the spear or the first batch to experience this new change. This is where both are needed and you are foolish to discard the teachings of your ancestors - to seek BALANCE in everything and just gravitate towards the western paradigm of picking a side of liberalism or conservatism. 1 minute ago, Cricket_2_Death said: Those labels are hardly used in mainstream circles. I'm not sure what the hell a coolie even is but Americans certainly don't use that term. However, it is typical for libtards to whine about white people, that at least is common. I've been in north america longer than 90% of Indian folks and i assure you, coolie is a term that gets thrown around. Maybe not as much as it was before, but it is no different behavior from the right wing. 1 minute ago, Cricket_2_Death said: Western liberals for sure yes. That is the de-facto way of winning or losing any conversation they have. I imagine that it would be no different in a country like India. A liberal there could easily play the victim card with their caste or ethnic group perhaps? Sure it's a different tactic but same concept. No, it is the most default way of winning a debate, period. Making the opposition side seem heinous/stupid/degenerate is how impressions are made. The left plays the 'you are a monster if you think X' card, the right plays the 'you are a cuck/idiot/panzy if you think Y' card.Different cards, appealing to their own respective demographics but the same tactics. 1 minute ago, Cricket_2_Death said: Agreed that pro-birth is more accurate in this regard. However in the US the mainstream term is still pro-life. Disagree that it's anti-immigration as a whole though. However given the absolute **** that America has been importing, I can see why there would be preference to vet people closely. Why import a bunch of islamist to push Sharia in the US when we can bring in peaceful Jews? I wouldn't be surprised if this stance sways the most in the coming years as we deal with the fallout of importing everyone and their mom over decades past. No other country imports on such a scale, middle east refugees stare and drop their jaw as a western woman walks past them on the street. Stunned by the fact that they are not enslaved under the garb of a ninja suit in the boiling sun and free to roam as they please. Uhm, USA imports more people via legal immigration channels than Canada or Australia ? Perhaps in total numbers but nowhere close in terms of % of population imported. And no, the issue isnt just with muslims. Its with ALL immigrants who are not white. This is why there are dedicated groups sprouting up in Canada and US, aligned with the right wing, who specifically argue for legal immigration for Europeans only. I can link you to these sites if you wish. 1 minute ago, Cricket_2_Death said: That is not accurate either. Ideology is more complex than just money, do you think wage earners are not capitalist? Do you think capitalist entrepreneurs are not religious? In my previous post I went over some of the positions that make up conservationism. Someone might just believe marriage in between a man and woman, another might believe he has the right to protect himself and his family, another might not want to pay high taxes. All of them would put you on the same side of the political scale here and there isn't anything wrong with that. I am simply pointing out that this is unique in North Ameican politics where industrialists and the wage-earning 9-5ers are in the same political party ( republicans/conservatives). Rest of the world they are natural adversaries politically as people tend to vote first and foremost with their pocketbooks. At least, this is the experience of democracy in Europe. 1 minute ago, Cricket_2_Death said: The liberal left is a cesspool of chaos on the other hand - nowhere else do we have elitist west coasters, islamic terrorists and sympathizers, homosexuals, rich celebrities, poor blacks, illegal immigrants, anarchists, native Americans, communists, baby killers, porn stars etc. on the same damn side. They also tend to contradict each other on many issues, it's one hell of a **** show. Err many of the same are also on the conservative side from the above demographics. poor blacks, illegal immigrants, anarchists, native americans, elite west coasters (who are not in entertainment industry) - they also form up the conservative spectrum. As for baby-killers, i have to say, i have way more respect for baby killers than baby-destituters which the republicans are. 1 minute ago, Cricket_2_Death said: American exceptionalism is not a echo chamber. I will tell you right now that I believe America is the greatest country in the world. Well right there, is echo-chamber effect for me. Unless you are the top 2% of income earners in USA, there is nothing elite about the US and its a poor western nation outside that demographic by comparison to other western nations. 1 minute ago, Cricket_2_Death said: The problem is, everyone from every **** hole country on earth generally believes America is the greatest too. Even the libtards who promised leave the country after Trump was elected won't because they know it too That's why we have so much people that want to come to America. Trust me, I wish it wasn't true and America was viewed as the foremost "laggot" so the country wouldn't be under siege from illegal immigrants invading the country on a scale not seen anywhere in modern history. Pfft. The same phenomenon that propels America to have millions of illegal immigrants is the same damn phenomena that propels America to be the biggest recepient of brain drain from rest of the world, western world included. So your problem is a problem and a blessing in the same turn. 1 minute ago, Cricket_2_Death said: This is why echo chambers are a liberal phenomena, it's difficult to comprehend or understand the truth when everything around you is false information that is repeated until you believe it. The fake news helps drives these echo chambers and controls all the mainstream new outlets in the country. Liberals don't need to think to hate, they are given the tools via their social circles, the internet and even TV news. Sorry, but fake news and propaganda about fake news is actually a bigger right wing phenomenon than left wing phenomenon. Even Jordan Peterrsson says this and there is quantifiable research on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricket_2_Death Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: Mate i dont follow US politics because i more or less make my home in Canada, even though i am a dual citizen. I do follow US economics intensely because of my investments there ( not via Canadian banks but via my US holdings). US economy is roaring ?! US economy hasn't roared in 10 years. It occasionally pretends to roar and then chokes on itself in 4 months flat. Thats whats been the trajectory for the last 10 years or so. The unemployment rate is at a historical low, the economy is doing well and people are happy because jobs are abundant... at least for conservatives who are willing to work. So not sure what you are on about but if you are investing right, there is plenty money to be made. 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: I am sorry, but bankrupting a casino in Vegas gets you a F- in my books as a savvy, smart businessman. As far a businesses go, its as bullet-proof as it gets to be a casino owner in vegas in the post-mafia days ( aka post 1980s). Its like saying you are as hot as Scarlett Johansson, tried and failed at prostitution. Its a made business. So i don't care what he has hit on before - even a blind squirrel finds a nut from time to time as the saying goes. You are a businessman who bankrupted a casino in Vegas is the equivalent of you are an Aircraft carrier captain who lost to a fishing boat. More echo chamber talk. People can whine and cry about casinos all day, but a smart businessman knows when to get out. Re-sharing failed casino on facebook over and over again is preciously why liberals didn't see their defeat coming in 2016. Creating and building businesses is hard work and sometimes you fail. It's only for the ambitious, hence no socialists or minimum wage fools are trying their hand here. 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: Sorry, but that is some conservative nonsensical garbage right there. Plenty of liberal intellectuals exist and have existed through the times. Again, intellect and liberal don't go together period. Liberalism is a mental disorder, plain and simple. 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: Both makes sense. I am a parent and i know exactly where conservatism and liberalism are needed. Liberalism is the vehicle of social change & social betterment. But for every good idea it has, it has 3 bad ideas and as a parent, i don't want my child to be the tip of the spear or the first batch to experience this new change. This is where both are needed and you are foolish to discard the teachings of your ancestors - to seek BALANCE in everything and just gravitate towards the western paradigm of picking a side of liberalism or conservatism. Sorry but no. Teaching your child to identify as one of an unlimited number of genders is sick. Teaching your kid to not work and live off the government is pathetic. Teaching your kid to kill their unborn off-spring is pitiful. 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: I've been in north america longer than 90% of Indian folks and i assure you, coolie is a term that gets thrown around. Maybe not as much as it was before, but it is no different behavior from the right wing. I was born in America and have never heard of anyone using this term. If anything, I heard derogatory terms being used by liberals to attack other liberals. Blacks calling other blacks the N word, Indians abusing each other based on skin color or state of origin, even East Asians talking down to South East Asians, Muslims hating Jews etc. Interestingly, doing some research on the coolie term, it's used quite heavily by blacks in the Caribbean to abuse people of Indian origin in Trinidad or Guyana. This has nothing to do with America period. 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: No, it is the most default way of winning a debate, period. Making the opposition side seem heinous/stupid/degenerate is how impressions are made. The left plays the 'you are a monster if you think X' card, the right plays the 'you are a cuck/idiot/panzy if you think Y' card.Different cards, appealing to their own respective demographics but the same tactics. The right doesn't play any card, they don't have such a mentality. All cards from the race card to the sex card are exclusivity held by and played by liberals period. 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: USA imports more people via legal immigration channels than Canada or Australia ? Perhaps in total numbers but nowhere close in terms of % of population imported. And no, the issue isnt just with muslims. Its with ALL immigrants who are not white. This is why there are dedicated groups sprouting up in Canada and US, aligned with the right wing, who specifically argue for legal immigration for Europeans only. I can link you to these sites if you wish. Why count only legal immigration channels? What about the millions of illegals flooding in? Nobody else has that problem on such a scale. Just cause you found some Nazi posers online who are advocating for European immigration, doesn't make it a conservative problem. Though they do have a point, I would take hordes of westerners who have something more to offer than Jihad or fruit picking any day. If your country is going to get screwed you might as well pick the best people to screw you. 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: I am simply pointing out that this is unique in North Ameican politics where industrialists and the wage-earning 9-5ers are in the same political party ( republicans/conservatives). Rest of the world they are natural adversaries politically as people tend to vote first and foremost with their pocketbooks. At least, this is the experience of democracy in Europe. I gave you examples of why these people would be in the same political party. In America, you don't have a choice you either vote with the socialist cucks in the Democrat party or the Patriots in the Republican party. An Industrialist and a "9-5er" have a host of other reasons to align. The biggest reason being not to let a crazy socialist become President and try to destroy the country which the industrialist and the 9-5er happen to share. The "experience of democracy in Europe" isn't worth crap. 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: Err many of the same are also on the conservative side from the above demographics. poor blacks, illegal immigrants, anarchists, native americans, elite west coasters (who are not in entertainment industry) - they also form up the conservative spectrum. Not sure if you are serious, those voting blocks are dominated by the Democrat slave plantation especially Blacks of all incomes, ages, geographies and specialties. From hood rats to football and basketball players. They are the masters of the race card after all, without them the Democrats don't win squat. And illegal immigrants are the bread and butter for the anchor baby scheme that will ensure millions of Democrat votes to come in the future. Sorry but they don't make up the conservative spectrum in the political sense that is. 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: As for baby-killers, i have to say, i have way more respect for baby killers than baby-destituters which the republicans are. ... Not even sure how to respond but no surprise. Interestingly, my position on this issue has swayed recently as no morale conservative woman would ever kill her baby. So why should I care? I certainly don't take the Christian position on this. Baby killing is reserved in large numbers for the classless feminist or the hood rat. The same hood rat who kills her baby but then goes out to protest about how Black lives matter. It's funny I guess. 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: Well right there, is echo-chamber effect for me. Unless you are the top 2% of income earners in USA, there is nothing elite about the US and its a poor western nation outside that demographic by comparison to other western nations. Not sure why this matters or why some arbitrary income percentage influences how someone is allowed to think, but I'll entertain. While I do happen to be in the top 1%, I remember when I wasn't even in the top 50%. My values did not change, and the same goes for millions of others. That is what makes American exceptionalism and the American dream true and great. Yes, I know a liberal will never believe it but as I've already established - they tend to not achieve much at all in their lifetime. Living off of government aid will propel you nowhere regardless of which country you live in. 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: The same phenomenon that propels America to have millions of illegal immigrants is the same damn phenomena that propels America to be the biggest recepient of brain drain from rest of the world, western world included. So your problem is a problem and a blessing in the same turn. Agreed it is a blessing and a curse. However, the curse could be resolved if the majority of illegals could be shipped back to where they came from. There are much better people out there that could have their spots. After all, whats better than a brain drain? A much larger brain drain. 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: Sorry, but fake news and propaganda about fake news is actually a bigger right wing phenomenon than left wing phenomenon. Even Jordan Peterrsson says this and there is quantifiable research on this. So some liberal psycho has "research" on this? And you expect me to care and take that seriously? The liberals even admit and brag about their control of the media and culture. This is no secret or debate so I'm not sure what you are trying to argue. The right has only managed to keep hold of the economic structure, that's it. Edited February 27, 2019 by Cricket_2_Death Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Cricket_2_Death said: The unemployment rate is at a historical low, the economy is doing well and people are happy because jobs are abundant... at least for conservatives who are willing to work. So not sure what you are on about but if you are investing right, there is plenty money to be made. Maybe because i am old. But outside of liberal dominated tech fields & some tech start-up stocks, US economy is nothing of what it was pre-2007. Unemployment rates are just about the most fudged numbers of every damn government there is, so i have no faith in that statistic. What i care more about is average household debt, investment rates, etc. American middle class is shrinking at an alarming rate and its not a pretty sight. Quote More echo chamber talk. People can whine and cry about casinos all day, but a smart businessman knows when to get out. Re-sharing failed casino on facebook over and over again is preciously why liberals didn't see their defeat coming in 2016. Creating and building businesses is hard work and sometimes you fail. It's only for the ambitious, hence no socialists or minimum wage fools are trying their hand here. He didn't get out of the Casino business. He bankrupted a casino and then ditched his bankrupt casino. I don't care how or why he won - he obviously won because he knows how to manipulate crowds and make bombastic statements stick -this i know from his Tv days- but my point is simple. A businessman who bankrupts a casino in Vegas is as credible a businessman to me as a captain of a battleship who loses to a fishing boat. Or the Pakistani tank general who lost to 1 recoil-less rifle and 100 men at Longewalla. Its total fail category and nothing is gonna change that, really. I am a long time casino goer due to my fascination with Poker and Blackjack. Bankrupting a casino in Vegas takes some serious brain-farts in sequence. Quote Again, intellect and liberal don't go together period. Liberalism is a mental disorder, plain and simple. Sorry but i can say the same about conservatives. Especially given that conservatives have a proven track record of going more for crazy conspiracy theories. If Liberalism is a mental disorder, then Buddha had a mental disorder, so did Adi Shankara, so did every social reformer, because every single social change seeker who is not re-entrenching the simple rule of law of scriptures, is a liberal for his day and age. Quote Sorry but no. Teaching your child to identify as one of an unlimited number of genders is sick. Sure. Agreed. Teaching your kid to deny their transgender scenario or their homosexuality is also sick. Both ends of the spectrum are pretty sick. Quote Teaching your kid to not work and live off the government is pathetic. Sure. But teaching your kids that doing whatever it takes to make money, including slave-driving people, is also pathetic. Again, balance. Quote Teaching your kid to kill their unborn off-spring is pitiful. its more pitiful to teach your kids that born children should be destitute and have no amenities because their parents chose poorly and why should you have to do any social duty and pay taxes for this kid. I am not a hardcore pro-choicer because i take the scientific stance that it is perfectly acceptible before there is any brain function ( it does not meet the medical definition of being alive till it has brain function) and in special circumstances,late term abortion is a better choice. But its far more cruel to perpetuate the idea that kids must be brought to term and also do away with child support and child welfare schemes,because those parents who were too stupid to keep their legs closed, should suffer. Because its ALSO the kids who suffer. Quote I was born in America and have never heard of anyone using this term. Well i guess you need to travel around America more. Or maybe i was more unlucky than you in this regard. Quote If anything, I heard derogatory terms being used between by liberals to attack other liberals. Blacks calling other blacks the N word, Indians abusing each other based on skin color or state of origin, even East Asians talking down to South East Asians, Muslims hating Jews etc. Yep. This also happens amongst white people where KKK or Aryan Nations look down on the Polaks or Hungarians, for eg. Quote Interestingly, doing some research on the coolie term, it's used quite heavily by blacks in the Caribbean to abuse people of Indian origin in Trinidad or Guyana. This has nothing to do with America period. Its predominantly a British English word. Thats why it has presence in the Caribbean. But it also has presence in the US, i myself have had it used a few times on me. Quote The right doesn't play any card, they don't have such a mentality. All cards from the race card to the sex card are exclusivity held by and played by liberals period. They do. You are already embodying playing those cards yourself. The ultra-left's card is 'monster, racist, genocider, etc'. The ultra-right's card is 'cuck, beta-male, stupid' etc. Quote Why count only legal immigration channels? What about the millions of illegals flooding in? Nobody else has that problem on such a scale. Just cause you found some Nazi posers online who are advocating for European immigration, doesn't make it a conservative problem. Though they do have a point, I would take hordes of westerners who have something more to offer than Jihad or fruit picking any day. If your country is going to get screwed you might as well pick the best people to screw you. It is a conservative problem from where i stand. Sorry, just like how the left has to take responsibility for its hyper-left, hyper liberal spectrum who throw the 'racist white blahblah' card at every angle, so too does the conservative right have to take responsibility for its hyper-right, hyper conservative Nazis and KKK types. They are part of your gang too. You may have a point about Jihadis, but beyond them, you have no basis to really prefer EUropeans over Chinese or Latinos or African christians. If anything, they are less likely to be 'lets get a degree in liberal arts and get myself 100K in debt' crowd than white european averages. Quote I gave you examples of why these people would be in the same political party. In America, you don't have a choice you either vote with the socialist cucks in the Democrat party or the Patriots in the Republican party. LOL. Democrats are hardly socialist by western world standards. And if you are going to slander the democrats as socialist cucks, then i think fairness is in order to label the Republicans as 'racist child-molesters'. They have a higher propensity of that, afterall. Quote An Industrialist and a "9-5er" have a host of other reasons to align. The biggest reason being not to let a crazy socialist become President and try to destroy the country which the industrialist and the 9-5er happen to share. The "experience of democracy in Europe" isn't worth crap. The experience of democracy in Europe is worth far more than it is worth in the US, because it has had to evolve in a land that didn't just happen to be mostly empty due to colonization and had a unique 'go forth, stake out your land and make $$$ if you work hard' paradigm to work with, as US, Canada and Australia have had. Ergo, their democratic model is a far more long term normalized scenario and not a 'goldilocks' scenario of the new world which was largely empty during colonization period. Quote Not sure if you are serious, those voting blocks are dominated by the Democrat slave plantation especially Blacks of all incomes, ages, geographies and specialties. From hood rats to football and basketball players. They are the masters of the race card after all, without them the Democrats don't win squat. And illegal immigrants are the bread and butter for the anchor baby scheme that will ensure millions of Democrat votes to come in the future. Sorry but they don't make up the conservative spectrum in the political sense that is. Don't argue nonsense or simply for the sake of argument. It is a fact, that can be easily substantiated within 2 minutes of checking US election electoral data, that shows Afro-Americans, native americans, self-declared anarchists, hispanics and hyper rich west coasters have voted republican in the last election. Quote ... Not even sure how to respond but no surprise. Interestingly, my position on this issue has swayed recently as no morale conservative woman would ever kill her baby. So why should I care? I certainly don't take the Christian position on this. Baby killing is reserved in large numbers for the classless feminist or the hood rat. The same hood rat who kills her baby but then goes out to protest about how Black lives matter. It's funny I guess. Not surprised, but then again, most conservative people are ignorant of the realities of the medical field. There is a reason why the overwhelming majority of nurses and doctors the world over are pro-choice. Its because they've seen enough cases of babies who have 0% chance of survival being forced to be born and dying a painful death in the next few hours due to undeveloped heart or unclosed aorta and stuff like that. It is also because they know what forms the maternal and paternal bonds in kingdom animalia. Until the baby kicks inside the mother, there is no chemical bond between the mother and the baby. These are medically evidenced facts. Your sense of 'love' is nothing more than chemical release of oxytocin at biological stages of life. For a mother, its the kicking of the baby, the expansion of the cervix (during birthing) and suckling of lactating nipples. For men it is having a hand wrapped around our fingers (tinier the better). Barring these, there is no bond and if a woman deciedes to abort 2 months in, before there is even a kick, its no different than you getting a mole removed in terms of psychological impact. Quote Not sure why this matters or why some arbitrary income percentage influences how someone is allowed to think, but I'll entertain. It matters because society is made up of 100% of the people. not 2%. A society where majority of people are better off financially is a better society finacially than a society with 2% being ultra rich and 98% living in total destitution. This is an extreme example to illustrate the point, but this is why USA is seen as a 'rich man's paradise, everyone else's hell-hole' in the western world. This is also why i chose to make my home in Canada and not the US. Quote While I do happen to be in the top 1%, I remember when I wasn't even in the top 50%. My values did not change, and the same goes for millions of others. That is what makes American exceptionalism and the American dream true and great. Yes, I know a liberal will never believe it but as I've already established - they tend to not achieve much at all in their lifetime. Living off of government aid will propel you nowhere regardless of which country you live in. Your values are irrelevant. Empiric benchmarks matter. Bhutan polls as the world's happiest country in terms of how citizens rate their happiness. Chad scores higher than USA. If you think you are happy, then sure you are. But it doesn't change the objective parameters of you being better/worse off than another person in another country. Quote Agreed it is a blessing and a curse. However, the curse could be resolved if the majority of illegals could be shipped back to where they came from. There are much better people out there that could have their spots. After all, whats better than a brain drain? A much larger brain drain. Sorry, doesn't work. I know American education system is not the best but it will never, ever win the war against illegal immigration without eschewing ALL immigration. Why ? because no force on this planet has ever been able to stop immigration. The Romans couldn't do it, despite 400 years of watering the Rhine frontier with the Germanic's blood. The Chinese couldn't do it despite building the most impressive building mankind has ever built ( the great wall). To Amreeka kis kheth ki Murli hain ? You won't get one without the other. All prime immigration destinations for legal immigration is also a hot commodity for illegal immigration. Comes with the territory. Quote So some liberal psycho has "research" on this? And you expect me to care and take that seriously? The liberals even admit and brag about their control of the media and culture. This is no secret or debate so I'm not sure what you are trying to argue. The right has only managed to keep hold of the economic structure, that's it. Jordan Pettersson is not a liberal. Even he points this out. Neither does doing research on this makes one a liberal psycho. It is well documented since the 1970s that conservative far right has a bigger purchase in crazy conspiracy theories and fake news than liberal far left, in terms of sheer numbers. This is one area where conservatives are far more succiptible to nonsense than liberals are, i am sorry to say. Edited February 27, 2019 by Muloghonto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricket_2_Death Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 17 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: Maybe because i am old. But outside of liberal dominated tech fields & some tech start-up stocks, US economy is nothing of what it was pre-2007. Unemployment rates are just about the most fudged numbers of every damn government there is, so i have no faith in that statistic. What i care more about is average household debt, investment rates, etc. American middle class is shrinking at an alarming rate and its not a pretty sight. Most Americans who are willing to work are doing well. Americans as a whole have it extremely well and many would make it into the global 1%. 22 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: He didn't get out of the Casino business. He bankrupted a casino and then ditched his bankrupt casino. I don't care how or why he won - he obviously won because he knows how to manipulate crowds and make bombastic statements stick -this i know from his Tv days- but my point is simple. A businessman who bankrupts a casino in Vegas is as credible a businessman to me as a captain of a battleship who loses to a fishing boat. Or the Pakistani tank general who lost to 1 recoil-less rifle and 100 men at Longewalla. Its total fail category and nothing is gonna change that, really. I am a long time casino goer due to my fascination with Poker and Blackjack. Bankrupting a casino in Vegas takes some serious brain-farts in sequence. Parading around your echo chamber scenario means nothing outside of Facebook. The casino story was tried against Trump many times and it failed each time. All the Poker and Blackjack fascination won't make it any different. Face it, nobody who understands the circumstances care. If you want true failures - look at how Obama screwed up with fast and furious, the red line, ISIS, Benghazi etc. 32 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: Sorry but i can say the same about conservatives. Especially given that conservatives have a proven track record of going more for crazy conspiracy theories. If Liberalism is a mental disorder, then Buddha had a mental disorder, so did Adi Shankara, so did every social reformer, because every single social change seeker who is not re-entrenching the simple rule of law of scriptures, is a liberal for his day and age. No you can't, conservatives possesses reason and common sense. A liberal who is more concerned about whether he is a cis, bi or pan today cannot because they aren't sane. 35 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: Sure. Agreed. Teaching your kid to deny their transgender scenario or their homosexuality is also sick. Both ends of the spectrum are pretty sick. Teaching your kid to be normal is common sense. That's the problem with liberals, the are compelled to go the sick route. 37 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: Sure. But teaching your kids that doing whatever it takes to make money, including slave-driving people, is also pathetic. Again, balance. Not sure who is teaching their kids about slave driving but isn't morale conservatives. Maybe liberals that higher cheap illegals for slave work? 39 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: its more pitiful to teach your kids that born children should be destitute and have no amenities because their parents chose poorly and why should you have to do any social duty and pay taxes for this kid. Again not a conservative problem, perhaps the welfare queens in the ghetto have this issue but they are killing their babies in the highest numbers and voting for the Demokkkrats like loyal slaves every election. This has been going on for decades, don't think it will stop. 42 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: I am not a hardcore pro-choicer because i take the scientific stance that it is perfectly acceptible before there is any brain function ( it does not meet the medical definition of being alive till it has brain function) and in special circumstances,late term abortion is a better choice. But its far more cruel to perpetuate the idea that kids must be brought to term and also do away with child support and child welfare schemes,because those parents who were too stupid to keep their legs closed, should suffer. Because its ALSO the kids who suffer. This is why I have begun to change my stance. Of course now if a baby survives an abortion, the liberals want it dead too. Again no morale or conservative woman would reduce herself to that level so why should I care. Let the liberals kill their off spring, you are right - they shouldn't have them anyway. A less populated ghetto is less votes for the Demokkkrats. 47 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: Well i guess you need to travel around America more. Or maybe i was more unlucky than you in this regard. If you go around looking to be a victim, you will ultimately be one. Victim mentality is a cornerstone of liberalism. 49 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: Yep. This also happens amongst white people where KKK or Aryan Nations look down on the Polaks or Hungarians, for eg. Hence why these people are idiots. Conservatives do not own these groups nor seek to court them. Unlike the liberals which want to incorporate every bit of crap into their cesspool. 53 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: Its predominantly a British English word. Thats why it has presence in the Caribbean. But it also has presence in the US, i myself have had it used a few times on me. If being the victim makes you happy, I'll go with it. 54 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: They do. You are already embodying playing those cards yourself. The ultra-left's card is 'monster, racist, genocider, etc'. The ultra-right's card is 'cuck, beta-male, stupid' etc. Liberal men are more feminized and love homosexuality. The words that I'm using are suitable for the most part so not sure what the problem is. 58 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: It is a conservative problem from where i stand. Sorry, just like how the left has to take responsibility for its hyper-left, hyper liberal spectrum who throw the 'racist white blahblah' card at every angle, so too does the conservative right have to take responsibility for its hyper-right, hyper conservative Nazis and KKK types. They are part of your gang too. That's a tough sell. The KKK was invented by the Demokkkrat party... hence why I call it that. The American war machine of WWII built on conservative principals of exceptionalism, freedom and liberty defeated Nazi Germany. Meanwhile leftist hero Marget Sanger was inventing the best way to have a black genocide. A radical Jewish or Hindu group that declares war on Islam isn't owned by Conservatism in America just because they attack a bunch of jihadi bastards. 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: You may have a point about Jihadis, but beyond them, you have no basis to really prefer EUropeans over Chinese or Latinos or African christians. If anything, they are less likely to be 'lets get a degree in liberal arts and get myself 100K in debt' crowd than white european averages. Of course, I have a point about Jihadis but I'm surprised you acknowledge it. If you want to look at likelihood, Africans and Latinos aren't exactly what you would want to build a model country off of either. White European liberals are no different than their American liberal counterparts which is why there isn't a big push for them. Why import more **** based on color? East Asians on the other hand are recipe for success going off of income and education stats. 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: LOL. Democrats are hardly socialist by western world standards. And if you are going to slander the democrats as socialist cucks, then i think fairness is in order to label the Republicans as 'racist child-molesters'. They have a higher propensity of that, afterall. Democrats are closet socialists that come out more and more every year. The only thing that keeps them in check are conservative republicans. Child molesting seems to popular amongst the illegals and jihadis, I'd say the liberal cucks own more of that. 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: The experience of democracy in Europe is worth far more than it is worth in the US, because it has had to evolve in a land that didn't just happen to be mostly empty due to colonization and had a unique 'go forth, stake out your land and make $$$ if you work hard' paradigm to work with, as US, Canada and Australia have had. Ergo, their democratic model is a far more long term normalized scenario and not a 'goldilocks' scenario of the new world which was largely empty during colonization period. Europe was the breading ground for the two most destructive wars in human history. I'm not sure why leftist tend to to hold it in such high regard. The American model was a success and it works pretty well, I couldn't care less about some semi socialist craphole in Europe and thank god most real Americans feel this way too. 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: Don't argue nonsense or simply for the sake of argument. It is a fact, that can be easily substantiated within 2 minutes of checking US election electoral data, that shows Afro-Americans, native americans, self-declared anarchists, hispanics and hyper rich west coasters have voted republican in the last election. Sorry, just cause some voted doesn't mean Republicans own the voting block - Blacks for example. It's clear which party has their whip on the backs of those people and it ain't the Republican party. 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: Not surprised, but then again, most conservative people are ignorant of the realities of the medical field. There is a reason why the overwhelming majority of nurses and doctors the world over are pro-choice. Its because they've seen enough cases of babies who have 0% chance of survival being forced to be born and dying a painful death in the next few hours due to undeveloped heart or unclosed aorta and stuff like that. It is also because they know what forms the maternal and paternal bonds in kingdom animalia. Until the baby kicks inside the mother, there is no chemical bond between the mother and the baby. These are medically evidenced facts. Your sense of 'love' is nothing more than chemical release of oxytocin at biological stages of life. For a mother, its the kicking of the baby, the expansion of the cervix (during birthing) and suckling of lactating nipples. For men it is having a hand wrapped around our fingers (tinier the better). Barring these, there is no bond and if a woman deciedes to abort 2 months in, before there is even a kick, its no different than you getting a mole removed in terms of psychological impact. Maybe this is how it's justified. Some doctors treat mother and baby as two lives. I don't know, I'm not a liberal so can't answer. Maybe this logic is what hood rats on the streets of Chicago use to off each other everyday in the name of black lives matter. Or what Jihadis use to go Muhamma-Boom other people. Whatever it is, conservative women are too morale, intelligent, classy and caring to see it that way. The liberal sluts specialize in killing babies so that explains it I assume, no different from a mole, thanks. 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: It matters because society is made up of 100% of the people. not 2%. A society where majority of people are better off financially is a better society finacially than a society with 2% being ultra rich and 98% living in total destitution. This is an extreme example to illustrate the point, but this is why USA is seen as a 'rich man's paradise, everyone else's hell-hole' in the western world. This is also why i chose to make my home in Canada and not the US. If you are inclined to fail, low intelligence, no work ethic and drain on society - then yes, America is not the best place for you. Canada is much more suitable I guess or perhaps even Cuba or North Korea - whatever the socialist taste is at the moment. There will always be a top 1%, it's math - libtards must accept that. There are people I know that make 30K a year in the US and they are happy. I remember being poor but still loved this country, it's something un-explainable that makes America great, it's difficult to articulate to a liberal. Oddly enough, foreigners from the world over sometimes get it and come here to be successful. 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: Your values are irrelevant. Empiric benchmarks matter. Bhutan polls as the world's happiest country in terms of how citizens rate their happiness. Chad scores higher than USA. If you think you are happy, then sure you are. But it doesn't change the objective parameters of you being better/worse off than another person in another country. Who gives a flying * about Chad or Bhutan? lol I don't know anyone in their right mind that would prefer to go to these craphole countries. (I'm sure Bhutan is not that bad, being harsh.) You can cite benchmarks all you want but people aren't going for it. Wish the libtards would all go move there though and do everyone a favor - but let me guess, the party of hypocrites won't dare do that. 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: Sorry, doesn't work. I know American education system is not the best but it will never, ever win the war against illegal immigration without eschewing ALL immigration. Why ? because no force on this planet has ever been able to stop immigration. The Romans couldn't do it, despite 400 years of watering the Rhine frontier with the Germanic's blood. The Chinese couldn't do it despite building the most impressive building mankind has ever built ( the great wall). To Amreeka kis kheth ki Murli hain ? You won't get one without the other. All prime immigration destinations for legal immigration is also a hot commodity for illegal immigration. Comes with the territory. I know illegal immigration can't be stopped 100%. I'm sure some Mexican mole will find some way to get in. However, I want to dramatically reduce the flow - a wall would certainly help, motion detected automatic turrets on the walls would help even more. 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: Jordan Pettersson is not a liberal. Even he points this out. Neither does doing research on this makes one a liberal psycho. It is well documented since the 1970s that conservative far right has a bigger purchase in crazy conspiracy theories and fake news than liberal far left, in terms of sheer numbers. This is one area where conservatives are far more succiptible to nonsense than liberals are, i am sorry to say. Right and I have droves of Blacks and Jihadis claiming to be Republican that will vote for Trump in 2020. /sarcasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, Cricket_2_Death said: Most Americans who are willing to work are doing well. Americans as a whole have it extremely well and many would make it into the global 1%. ?!?! You do realize that American top 1% may make it to global top 1 % easily, but the American 10-20% range ends up as rest of western world/Japan/SoKo's 20th-30th percentile range, yes ? 6 minutes ago, Cricket_2_Death said: Parading around your echo chamber scenario means nothing outside of Facebook. Well likewise to you. 6 minutes ago, Cricket_2_Death said: The casino story was tried against Trump many times and it failed each time. All the Poker and Blackjack fascination won't make it any different. Face it, nobody who understands the circumstances care. If you want true failures - look at how Obama screwed up with fast and furious, the red line, ISIS, Benghazi etc. I don't care one whit if it makes a difference to Trump's electability. But running a casino into the ground in Vegas is proof positive that he is an epic fail as a businessman is all that it leads to and it cannot be denied by any objective person. 6 minutes ago, Cricket_2_Death said: No you can't, conservatives possesses reason and common sense. A liberal who is more concerned about whether he is a cis, bi or pan today cannot because they aren't sane. Sorry but there is no rational basis to this statement. I can say the exact same for conservatives because there is proven research that conservatives the world over are : a) likely to be less educated than the liberals b) more prone to conspiracy theories than the mean average. There is humongous amount of research all around the world that shows this. 6 minutes ago, Cricket_2_Death said: Teaching your kid to be normal is common sense. That's the problem with liberals, the are compelled to go the sick route. Same with conservatives. Those who beat into their kids head that they can be any gender or orientation they want to be (the hyper liberals) are just as nutty and no different than those who beat into their kids that anything but cis-gender or heterosexual is wrong ( the hyper conservatives). 6 minutes ago, Cricket_2_Death said: Not sure who is teaching their kids about slave driving but isn't morale conservatives. Maybe liberals that higher cheap illegals for slave work? Its pretty much the core ethos of capitalism, especially libertarian capitalism. 6 minutes ago, Cricket_2_Death said: Again not a conservative problem, perhaps the welfare queens in the ghetto have this issue but they are killing their babies in the highest numbers and voting for the Demokkkrats like loyal slaves every election. This has been going on for decades, don't think it will stop. It is most definitely a conservative problem if you are taking a stance of anti-abortion AND anti- support for child welfare. You are in effect saying that a child must be born and it must suffer because of the mistakes of their parents and your responsibility ends at bringing it to life. Sorry, but that is despicable. 6 minutes ago, Cricket_2_Death said: This is why I have begun to change my stance. Of course now if a baby survives an abortion, the liberals want it dead too. Baby survives abortion ?! Sorry but baby does not survive abortion if the doctor knows what they are doing. We are not talking about self-administered coat-hangers in the bathroom here. 6 minutes ago, Cricket_2_Death said: Again no morale or conservative woman would reduce herself to that level so why should I care. Spoken like a man who has zero inkling of how many conservative women choose abortion or wish to choose abortion when the baby is medically not viable. 6 minutes ago, Cricket_2_Death said: If you go around looking to be a victim, you will ultimately be one. Victim mentality is a cornerstone of liberalism. It is also common amongst the conservatives who see themselves as victims of liberal politics. 6 minutes ago, Cricket_2_Death said: Hence why these people are idiots. Conservatives do not own these groups nor seek to court them. Unlike the liberals which want to incorporate every bit of crap into their cesspool. They are part of the conservative spectrum and your baggage. There are plenty of liberals too who wash their hands off of the hyper liberal loonies but you cons won't let them. So why should you get to engage in this double standards ? Those who are crazy liberals but 99% liberals want nothing to do with, will still be liberals to you but those who are crazy cons who 99% cons want nothing to do with are no longer cons ? Sorry, that double standard doesn't wash. 6 minutes ago, Cricket_2_Death said: If being the victim makes you happy, I'll go with it. There is nothing victim about saying a certain word has been used certain times in certain places. Pointing out your (and by citizenship, also mine) nation's flaws is not playing the victim card. 6 minutes ago, Cricket_2_Death said: Liberal men are more feminized and love homosexuality. The words that I'm using are suitable for the most part so not sure what the problem is. Well conservative men are more paedophilia oriented and love rape. Are you okay to be tagged as such ? Because if you wish to cling to the fact that there are more homosexuals in the liberal camp than cons, then i can easily demonstrate the fact that most paedophiles are from conservative backgrounds and self-identified conservatives. 6 minutes ago, Cricket_2_Death said: That's a tough sell. The KKK was invented by the Demokkkrat party... hence why I call it that. The American war machine of WWII built on conservative principals of exceptionalism, freedom and liberty defeated Nazi Germany. Meanwhile leftist hero Marget Sanger was inventing the best way to have a black genocide. Irrelevant who invented what. Labels have changed, the conservative tilt hasn't. Sure, 100 years ago the democrats were the conservatives and the republicans were the liberals, which all changed in the 50s and 60s. It doesn't change the fact that for the last 60 years or so, the KKK and the neo-nazi types are aligned with the republicans and the conservatives. 6 minutes ago, Cricket_2_Death said: A radical Jewish or Hindu group that declares war on Islam isn't owned by Conservatism in America just because they attack a bunch of jihadi bastards. Um ok. That is irrelevant, but sure. 6 minutes ago, Cricket_2_Death said: Of course, I have a point about Jihadis but I'm surprised you acknowledge it. That is because unlike you, i am a centrist. Which by american standards actually makes me more liberal than most liberal Americans ( fiscally atleast). 6 minutes ago, Cricket_2_Death said: If you want to look at likelihood, Africans and Latinos aren't exactly what you would want to build a model country off of either. White European liberals are no different than their American liberal counterparts which is why there isn't a big push for them. Why import more **** based on color? East Asians on the other hand are recipe for success going off of income and education stats. The non-islamic Africans and Latinos are FAR more likely to be hard-working, degree & entreprenuer seeking folks than the randomized European which you have no basis to conclude from immigration documents if they are liberals or conservatives. 6 minutes ago, Cricket_2_Death said: Democrats are closet socialists that come out more and more every year. The only thing that keeps them in check are conservative republicans. Child molesting seems to popular amongst the illegals and jihadis, I'd say the liberal cucks own more of that. Err no. Again, the largest demographic to be child molestors are conservative christian pastors and priests. That demographic alone accounts for 70-90% of all child molestors in the western world. This again, is easily substantiated. 6 minutes ago, Cricket_2_Death said: Europe was the breading ground for the two most destructive wars in human history. I'm not sure why leftist tend to to hold it in such high regard. The American model was a success and it works pretty well, I couldn't care less about some semi socialist craphole in Europe and thank god most real Americans feel this way too. Because European development of democracy is relevant to the world moving forward, far more than the American 'special scenario of empty continent' one. THat is why. Currently the world is not empty. Neither is an entire continent just gonna drop dead from disease due to immigration, for the immigrants to fill in with unique & economic goldilocks scenarios. That is why American model is largely irrelevant - its a unique, special case in history, formed by having the empty continent phenomenon. And as America 'fills up', its goldilocks window closes and it becomes more and more like 'European political model'. 6 minutes ago, Cricket_2_Death said: Sorry, just cause some voted doesn't mean Republicans own the voting block - Blacks for example. It's clear which party has their whip on the backs of those people and it ain't the Republican party. Irrelevant. Blacks for example in the last 5 presidential elections have been extremely hard to predict and have swung from majority Republican votes to majority democrat votes. This again, is easily verifiable. 6 minutes ago, Cricket_2_Death said: Maybe this is how it's justified. Some doctors treat mother and baby as two lives. I don't know, I'm not a liberal so can't answer. Maybe this logic is what hood rats on the streets of Chicago use to off each other everyday in the name of black lives matter. Or what Jihadis use to go Muhamma-Boom other people. Whatever it is, conservative women are too morale, intelligent, classy and caring to see it that way. The liberal sluts specialize in killing babies so that explains it I assume, no different from a mole, thanks. Sorry, but that is nonsense of the highest order. Doctors and nurses are *the* authorities on human life behavior and they see far more unique life scenarios in their work than you will ever see. Deference to authority is a mark of education, especially when that authority is meritoriously earned. It is also a fact that conservative voters the world over have a lower education level than liberal voters the world over, so i am not surprised if conservative people hold on to some moralistic nonsense ideas re: abortion over scientific facts. 6 minutes ago, Cricket_2_Death said: If you are inclined to fail, low intelligence, no work ethic and drain on society - then yes, America is not the best place for you. If you define failure as not being top 1% of society, then 99% of us would prefer a society that is better than America. Ergo, American society, statistically cannot be the optimal society for species homo sapiens if it yeilds sub-optimal results for 99% of its members. 6 minutes ago, Cricket_2_Death said: Canada is much more suitable I guess or perhaps even Cuba or North Korea - whatever the socialist taste is at the moment. There will always be a top 1%, it's math - libtards must accept that. There are people I know that make 30K a year in the US and they are happy. The only difference is, the person who makes 30K in USA is screwed for the next 2 years if they get stabbed in the gut- coz of medical expenses, while in Canada, we are a superior society by making healthcare an equal opportunity for all our citizens. 6 minutes ago, Cricket_2_Death said: I remember being poor but still loved this country, it's something un-explainable that makes America great, it's difficult to articulate to a liberal. Oddly enough, foreigners from the world over sometimes get it and come here to be successful. It is called blind nationalism. The same rationale that sees Bhutanese people poll happiest people on the planet despite making 1500 dollars per year income or Chadians polling happier than Americans. 6 minutes ago, Cricket_2_Death said: Who gives a flying * about Chad or Bhutan? lol I don't know anyone in their right mind that would prefer to go to these craphole countries. (I'm sure Bhutan is not that bad, being harsh.) You can cite benchmarks all you want but people aren't going for it. Wish the libtards would all go move there though and do everyone a favor - but let me guess, the party of hypocrites won't dare do that. Your feeling of being happy while being poor is no different than Bhutanese person's feeling of being happy despite being poor. Sorry you don't get double jeopardy - when i cite actual numbers that prove America to be a cr@phole for most people that live in it, you don't get to say 'but i was so happy when i was poor, its unexplainable' and then turn around to say ' but who cares about Bhutan, look at these objective facts on why its a cr@ppy country' when i point out that the poor Bhutanese is happier than you by same benchmark. 6 minutes ago, Cricket_2_Death said: I know illegal immigration can't be stopped 100%. I'm sure some Mexican mole will find some way to get in. However, I want to dramatically reduce the flow - a wall would certainly help, motion detected automatic turrets on the walls would help even more. A wall would do almost nothing, since a very small % of people cross the border as illegal immigrants overland. motion detecting atomatic turrets ? Sorry but this isnt 19th century. your president would be hauled in front of the ICJ as a criminal for authorizing that. Come back to reality, champ. 6 minutes ago, Cricket_2_Death said: Right and I have droves of Blacks and Jihadis claiming to be Republican that will vote for Trump in 2020. /sarcasm would you like to see studies that prove that in the last 50 years, people who identify as conservatives have a higher prevalence of buying nonsense conspiracy ideas than those who identify as liberals from the world over ? or the studies from world over that shows a direct correlation between conservatism and lower education standards ? Or are you going to prove yourself to be a case study candidate for these same studies, by claiming a worldwide conspiracy and rejecting said evidence ? Choice is yours.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sachinism Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 7 hours ago, Cricket_2_Death said: It makes sense that you don't follow US politics, I was unsure how you could and not know what's actually going on in America. Trump is unlike any other President, this is true. He has also managed to accomplish so much in very little time, the US economy is roaring after a long time. I'm not sure what the issue is about the casino, doesn't matter if it failed or was successful. He has had many successful ventures and some failures but that's how business works. Things don't just fall into your lap without effort, it takes hard work and you have to be willing to fail. If you want to talk about a president who brought shame to America and is a literal piece of ****, go do some research on Obama. Warning: avoid any picture of his wife if you can call it that. Moochelle is one angry mean looking dude that can hurt your eyes. What has he accomplished? I'll wait for you to compile that extensive list of accomplishments as president. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sachinism Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 17 hours ago, velu said: ok... what about your generalizations about RW ? .. considering you as a leftie/commie you should be smart/intelligent enough not to generalize like us RW? So what is it? Lefties are commies and smart or they're commies and dumb. Make up your mind. This is the sad conundrum you find yourself in. The leftist are smart enough to control and influence various things you're upset about. But they're also a bunch of dumb sheep. Sadly my generalisation has been proven true by all posters on the RW side Muloghonto 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted February 27, 2019 Author Share Posted February 27, 2019 10 minutes ago, Sachinism said: So what is it? Lefties are commies and smart or they're commies and dumb. Make up your mind. i clearly said lefties and commies are dumb .. i have never said they are smart if you can quote me where i said commies are smart , i will gift you some ICF dollars 11 minutes ago, Sachinism said: This is the sad conundrum you find yourself in. The leftist are smart enough to control and influence various things you're upset about. But they're also a bunch of dumb sheep. your reply clearly shows that you have some reading comprehensions .. left wing and smartness , my a$$ 12 minutes ago, Sachinism said: Sadly my generalisation has been proven true by all posters on the RW side my generalization is also true .. but i dont feel sad for being right about LW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sachinism Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 10 minutes ago, velu said: i clearly said lefties and commies are dumb .. i have never said they are smart if you can quote me where i said commies are smart , i will gift you some ICF dollars your reply clearly shows that you have some reading comprehensions .. left wing and smartness , my a$$ my generalization is also true .. but i dont feel sad for being right about LW FML - We are in idiocracy. Save your $$$ and maybe buy a book. Quote considering you as a leftie/commie you should be smart/intelligent enough not to generalize like us RW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted February 27, 2019 Author Share Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Sachinism said: FML - We are in idiocracy. Save your $$$ and maybe buy a book. Quote considering you as a leftie/commie you should be smart/intelligent enough not to generalize like us RW? seriously you need to up your game i clearly meant LW consider themselves as intellectual and not me .. and the part of the post you quoted is 200% sarcastic .. now get a sarcasm detector as well i can buy "the communist manifesto" by karl marx for you if you want Edited February 27, 2019 by velu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sachinism Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 3 hours ago, velu said: seriously you need to up your game i clearly meant LW consider themselves as intellectual and not me .. and the part of the post you quoted is 200% sarcastic .. now get a sarcasm detector as well i can buy "the communist manifesto" by karl marx for you if you want Don't. It may cause you to pause in your bootlicking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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