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[zen]

1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

You are saying Indian tail is as good as tail from any other team. I am the one making irrelevant strawman posts lol  Nice try. 

I am saying that #8-11 has performed similarly for major teams.  Most of the runs come from #1-7 as can be seen from the "recent" data .... Teams do not change their approach based on #8-11  .... as posted earlier:

 

"On batting friendly pitches in Eng, it could be difficult to get all and where you would expect your batsmen to do well (in fact make the most of it) .... and here we have folks worrying about lower order that includes #10-11, who may not even get to bat too many balls that often! "

 

If you know how to read data the information is on it. And you have been going on like xyz hit 50 in a game in this (data is there) 

 

[vvvslaxman]

3 minutes ago, zen said:

I am saying that #8-11 has performed similarly for major teams.  Most of the runs come from #1-7 as can be seen from the "recent" data .... Teams do not change their approach based on #8-11  .... as posted earlier:

 

"On batting friendly pitches in Eng, it could be difficult to get all and where you would expect your batsmen to do well (in fact make the most of it) .... and here we have folks worrying about lower order that includes #10-11, who may not even get to bat too many balls that often! "

 

If you know how to read data the information is on it. And you have been going on like xyz hit 50 in a game in this (data is there) 

 

How a weak tail have a cascading effect, how tailenders have won matches. You have ignored every point. You are still sticking to "they may get to bat" "our tail is the same as other tail" Sorry. You are expert at missing the point.

[zen]

4 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

How a weak tail have a cascading effect, how tailenders have won matches. You have ignored every point. You are still sticking to "they may get to bat" "our tail is the same as other tail" Sorry. You are expert at missing the point.

Already explained that has been the case with major teams 

 

 

Edited April 17, 2019 by zen

[vvvslaxman]

24 minutes ago, zen said:

Already explained that has been the case with major teams 

 

 

Not really a good explanation

[zen]

44 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Not really a good explanation

 

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Primary team Australia  or England  or India  or New Zealand  or South Africa

Start of match date between 17 Apr 2018 and 17 Apr 2019

Batting position greater than or equal to 8

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	Players	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
overall	62	78	188	67	1581	60	13.06	2034	77.72	0	3	21	121	40

 

• #8-11 avg 13 for major teams 
• only 3 50s have been scored in 188 innings by #8-11 in the last 12 months 

 

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(that is all is needed for people who know stats) 

 

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For fun on ICF: 

 

A team bats as per the situation and conditions, and not based on how #8-11 are, all of whom may not even bat most of the time  .... and it can be seen from the data where most runs are scored by 1-7 irrespective of the strength of #8-11, who have similar stats for major teams anyways

 

FAQs

 

• Can team Ind tail be weaker than team X's? Yes. Does that mean it alters batting equation for key batsmen? No. Why? See above
• By playing a relatively weaker tail, is Ind gaining in bowling? Yes. Would the gain in bowling add to Ind's total in some way? Yes as better bowlers can pick wkts/reduce other teams' total (or teams would not be playing relatively strong bowlers) 
• Can a team collapse at times? Yes. Is it collapsing because of how #8-11 are? No 
• Did xyz score a 50 in a random game? Yes. Data shows 50 scored too. Yes, that too!
• Can #8-11 score runs? Yes. Can runs by #8-11 be useful? Yes.  Should teams plan for that? No. Why? Specialist Batsmen get bulk of runs
• How do I know #1-7 get most of the runs? See below:

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Primary team Australia  or England  or India  or New Zealand  or South Africa

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	Players	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
overall	68	78	629	98	22351	162	42.09	23998	93.13	48	111	35	2151	434

 

 

• Can you ONLY score runs by playing risky cricket? No 
• Are there ways to score big and score at "necessary" RR? Yes
• So was this thread a waste of time? Yes

 

 

Edited April 17, 2019 by zen

[putrevus]

16 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Apart from Pandya who can do this job? This is where our main weakness is. We are the worst in the last 10 overs in recent times. We could 290/6 in 45 overs we will still  struggle to cross 310. How to maximize this? Either top order has to stay till 50th over or lower order freaking has to learn to hit some sixes.

That has been the problem since 2015. Indian tailenders have been non existent for long long time.Some people have no clue , you are spot on about cascading effect on whole lineup.

 

England can go for broke from ball one as they have batting till no11, Indian batsmen cannot do that, India has no ability to chase down big totals.