Cricket Tragic Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 I should have mentioned the start of the season. He also made a hundred in the previous (?) game which was a run feast vs Gujarat I think but he didn't have a great time before that. Not enough imo. Reg his keeping, he has always been pretty poor. I can't see how he has suddenly become the best in the country. In fact, his catching is better without the gloves.
ganeshran Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 He just made a 150. Cant have a say on his keeping unless we actually see it. We are not looking for a specialist batsman who can keep, rather a specialist keeper who can bat. Dhoni might not be it, but he is much closer to the latter than Karthik/Dropthiv who has a dubious distinction of having conceded the most number of byes in an innings in more than 70 years.
Shunya Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 say all you want to say about his inabilities... it will be impossible for India to find another wicketkeeper/batsman/captain (complete allround package) in the near future...be it tests or ODIs... India with all its mighty superstars in batting n bowling in past years yet havent won a series in australia... dont blame the loss on Dhoni...the team has to perform ...which they havent yet... Hoping for a rejuvenated comeback ... 2-1 series win Lets go Bhaarat !!!
achilles Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 Then he wont be able to retain his place in the side for long with his FTB batting and hes well aware of that . He is not a Sangakkara who can retain his place in the team inspite of giving up gloves , the only reason he continues to feature in the team without anybody calling for his head is because he is a keeper . Look at Kohli , failure in two innings and everyone wants him out , do you think Dhoni wont be kicked out if he played out as a batsman alone inspite of his 9 out of 10 batting failures ? I agree with this. Word for word. Still useless as both a keeper and a batsmen in away conditions. Wont do any better than Dhoni would as a batsmen. would probably get a 20 and get out. Karthik is another awful keeper. Though battingwise he would probably do better than Dhoni does in these conditions. Dhoni is not good enough to merit selection as a test batsmen alone and his keeping has been decent lately. He will leave the test team only if he resigns as skipper, till then the status quo will go on. Dhoni dropped a crucial catch of Hussey in the 2nd inng off the bowling of Ashwin and he dives around taking catches going straight into the hands of slip, in trying to convince us his keeping has improved. Truth is, he is as bad at catching as Dravid has been of-late, but for some reason, people have collectively decided to blame only and only Dravid. Its as if people blind themselves to the blunders of MS. Karthik was unceremoniously sacked and status quo has made sure Dhoni doesn't let any threatening contender come close to replacing him. Unfortunately, in all this, it is the Indian fan who is conned and robbed off wins. No one will quote Dhoni's batting average outside India, his failures in Australia and the fact that his highest score down under is a phenomenal 38!
Septimius Severus Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 ^^^The reason people on this website won't talk out against Mahendra Jack because they are scared of the Dhoni supporters and their flawed logic. If the anti Mahendra crew tries to crit his test form, the Mahendra crew will say that he has lost only 1 test series PLUS winning a WC(which has sweet FA to do with tests). It is what it is. What can one do in such a situation?
achilles Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 ^^^ People on this website won't talk out against Mahendra Jack because they are scared of the Dhoni supporters and their flawed logic. If the anti Mahendra crew tries to crit his test form' date=' [b']the Mahendra crew will say that he has lost only 1 test series PLUS a WC(which has sweet FA to do with tests). It is what it is. What can one do in such a situation? :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical: C'mon man, not everyone is like that. There are some amazingly intelligent and honest users here
Lord Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 Dhoni dropped a crucial catch of Hussey in the 2nd inng off the bowling of Ashwin and he dives around taking catches going straight into the hands of slip' date=' in trying to convince us his keeping has improved[b']. Truth is, he is as bad at catching as Dravid has been of-late, but for some reason, people have collectively decided to blame only and only Dravid. Its as if people blind themselves to the blunders of MS. Karthik was unceremoniously sacked and status quo has made sure Dhoni doesn't let any threatening contender come close to replacing him. Unfortunately, in all this, it is the Indian fan who is conned and robbed off wins. No one will quote Dhoni's batting average outside India, his failures in Australia and the fact that his highest score down under is a phenomenal 38! maybe that,Dhoni will play ODIs ,play some FTB knock to win n people forget it.doesnt happen with Dravid
peterparker Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 he would be highest run getter in tri series though..this is confirmed..even in england..he was hitting sixes at will..so just give him blue dress to DON..as of now he is in peter parker mould..sweet,innocent
achilles Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 maybe that' date='Dhoni will play ODIs ,play some FTB knock to win n people forget it.doesnt happen with Dravid[/quote'] Yes. It doesn't. They want to lap up an FTB who plays one good knock once in like 5 games, but are out with a dagger to assault players who have given their heart and soul to the country consistently for more than 15 years. I hate Dhoni even more nowadays, thanks to his mindless fans, who, may I add, are slowly replacing Sachin fans as the most annoying set of Indian cricket supporters.
BeautifulGame Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 I agree with this. Word for word. Dhoni dropped a crucial catch of Hussey in the 2nd inng off the bowling of Ashwin and he dives around taking catches going straight into the hands of slip, in trying to convince us his keeping has improved. Truth is, he is as bad at catching as Dravid has been of-late, but for some reason, people have collectively decided to blame only and only Dravid. Its as if people blind themselves to the blunders of MS. Karthik was unceremoniously sacked and status quo has made sure Dhoni doesn't let any threatening contender come close to replacing him. Unfortunately, in all this, it is the Indian fan who is conned and robbed off wins. No one will quote Dhoni's batting average outside India, his failures in Australia and the fact that his highest score down under is a phenomenal 38! Why would they? Atferall he only has the best average ever for any Indian wicket Keeper away from Home.
achilles Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 Why would they? Atferall he only has the best average ever for any Indian wicket Keeper away from Home in ODIs. In ODIs, my friend. Love the way people conveniently quote wrong facts to justify bad performances. Can you explain me how having a greater ODI average helps one in Tests? And how greater average in ODIs makes one a better Test cricketer?
BeautifulGame Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 In ODIs' date=' my friend. Love the way people conveniently quote wrong facts to justify bad performances. Can you explain me how having a greater ODI average helps one in Tests? And how greater average in ODIs makes one a better Test cricketer?[/quote'] Tests my friend tests. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=2;keeper=1;orderby=batting_average;qualmin1=3;qualval1=innings;team=6;template=results;type=batting Dont blame ur ignorance as others twisting facts.
achilles Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 Tests my friend tests. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=2;keeper=1;orderby=batting_average;qualmin1=3;qualval1=innings;team=6;template=results;type=batting Dont blame ur ignorance as others twisting facts. Have you seen this, bruv - http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/28081.html?class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=2;keeper=1;orderby=batting_average;qualmin1=3;qualval1=innings;team=6;template=results;type=batting;view=innings I recommend you see the runs column specifically.
BeautifulGame Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 Have you seen this' date=' bruv - [url']http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/28081.html?class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=2;keeper=1;orderby=batting_average;qualmin1=3;qualval1=innings;team=6;template=results;type=batting;view=innings I recommend you see the runs column specifically. And what exactly u want to see me in that column? How does it change the fact that he is the best wicket keeper batsmen we have ever produced home or away? Please care to elaborate? And as for his overseas record he had an excellent series in SA and New Zea land and decent series in England for a wicket Keeper.He has struggled in Australia and this is his best chance to make amends.Mind u he still played two vital knocks in 2nd innings of Sydney and Perth which is more than any Indian wk has done in recent memory. As i earlier said he averages twice as much as Sehwag(who most want to replace Dhoni as captain) in our last 3 tours(Eng Nzl and SA away from Sub continent for a supposed FTB.
ganeshran Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 Dhoni may not be much of a test batsmen but he is still better keeper+batsmen than the quota player Dropthiv or crappy keeper Karthik. Having Dropthiv in ODIs is bad enough, tests would be a disaster. If Dhoni is to be replaced from tests once he gives up captaincy, the mantle must go to a younger keeper (Saha, CM Gautham or Uday Kaul )
ganeshran Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 Karthik was unceremoniously sacked and status quo has made sure Dhoni doesn't let any threatening contender come close to replacing him. Unfortunately, in all this, it is the Indian fan who is conned and robbed off wins.
bulbul Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 Dhoni may not be much of a test batsmen but he is still better keeper+batsmen than the quota player Dropthiv or crappy keeper Karthik. Having Dropthiv in ODIs is bad enough, tests would be a disaster. If Dhoni is to be replaced from tests once he gives up captaincy, the mantle must go to a younger keeper (Saha, CM Gautham or Uday Kaul ) CM Gowtham's batting this year not much good unlike last year when hee lifted karnataka many times from precarious situations.. I dont know about his keeping...but must be good because he keeps for best bowling attack in country :winky: ..
peterparker Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 CM Gowtham's batting this year not much good unlike last year when hee lifted karnataka many times from precarious situations.. I dont know about his keeping...but must be good because he keeps for best bowling attack in country :winky: .. muralidhar gowtham is a very good prospect and was successful in emerging players also..and most importantly he would get TENVIC
Shunya Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 This has to be a proud thing...that Dhoni is being judged based on comparison with other Top order batsmen like Dravid... cos as per the the statistics he is currently no. 11 in all time Test wicketkeeping dismissal record (will break into top10 in next game) http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283791.html and he is no.8 in all time runs scored by a wicket keeper http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;keeper=1;orderby=runs;template=results;type=batting and both these stats are best ever for Indian wicketkeeper ever...so that says all about how wk-batting has revolutionized in India because of him... and obviously another very important stat is WK/Batsman/Captain http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?captain=1;class=1;filter=advanced;keeper=1;orderby=runs;template=results;type=batting probably an important thing why in world WK/Batting/Captainship pressure has never been handled well the way he has done it... Mind you all this statistics are admirable with respect to Test only...if you dig ODI stats...he is even better and no...am not like Sachin Fanatic...I jus appreciate Dhoni's effort in this modern day Indian Team which has won more games than any other era...
Andrew Peter Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 If dhoni cant perform with the bat then he should be sacked from the captaincy so that he would stop taking his place in the team for granted and show more intent to perform with the bat .
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